What firearms are protected by the 2nd Amendment

[Uncensored2008]

I do not hink you are correct. Arms is a eighteenth and nineteenth century military term.
to stack arms
(Mil.) to set up a number of muskets or rifles together, with the bayonets crossing one another, and forming a sort of conical pile.


To stack arms - definition of To stack arms by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia.
Manual of Arms for Infantry
Mar 97 - 2

Arms makers of colonial America - Google Books

Were not swords and bayonets military arms?

 

[bigrebnc1775]

I do not hink you are correct. Arms is a eighteenth and nineteenth century military term.
to stack arms
(Mil.) to set up a number of muskets or rifles together, with the bayonets crossing one another, and forming a sort of conical pile.


To stack arms - definition of To stack arms by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia.
Manual of Arms for Infantry
Mar 97 - 2

Arms makers of colonial America - Google Books

Were not swords and bayonets military arms?

bayonets were considered part of the weapon. Yes swords were also considered arms. As I said Arms is a termed used for military weapons.

 

[Uncensored2008]

bayonets were considered part of the weapon. Yes swords were also considered arms. As I said Arms is a termed used for military weapons.

{ armed, arm·ing, arms
v.intr.
1. To supply or equip oneself with weaponry.
2. To prepare oneself for warfare or conflict.
v.tr.
1. To equip with weapons: armed themselves with loaded pistols; arm a missile with a warhead; arm a nation for war.
2. To equip with what is needed for effective action: tax advisers who were armed with the latest forms.
3. To provide with something that strengthens or protects: a space reentry vehicle that was armed with a ceramic shield.
4. To prepare (a weapon) for use or operation, as by releasing a safety device.

[From Middle English armes, weapons, from Old French, pl. of arme, weapon, from Latin arma, weapons; see ar- in Indo-European roots. V., Middle English armen, from Old French armer, from Latin armre, from arma.]}

arms - definition of arms by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia.

Looks like "Arms" just means "weapons." All weapons are arms.

 

[M14 Shooter]

bayonets were considered part of the weapon. Yes swords were also considered arms. As I said Arms is a termed used for military weapons.

{ armed, arm·ing, arms
v.intr.
1. To supply or equip oneself with weaponry.
2. To prepare oneself for warfare or conflict.
v.tr.
1. To equip with weapons: armed themselves with loaded pistols; arm a missile with a warhead; arm a nation for war.
2. To equip with what is needed for effective action: tax advisers who were armed with the latest forms.
3. To provide with something that strengthens or protects: a space reentry vehicle that was armed with a ceramic shield.
4. To prepare (a weapon) for use or operation, as by releasing a safety device.

[From Middle English armes, weapons, from Old French, pl. of arme, weapon, from Latin arma, weapons; see ar- in Indo-European roots. V., Middle English armen, from Old French armer, from Latin armre, from arma.]}

arms - definition of arms by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia.

Looks like "Arms" just means "weapons." All weapons are arms.

According to the dictionary.
But, not according to US law, in the context of the 2nd amendment.

Not sure why I have to keep repeating that.

 

[Uncensored2008]

According to the dictionary.
But, not according to US law, in the context of the 2nd amendment.

Not sure why I have to keep repeating that.

So which arms do you support the government infringing the right to keep and bear?

 

[M14 Shooter]

According to the dictionary.
But, not according to US law, in the context of the 2nd amendment.

Not sure why I have to keep repeating that.

So which arms do you support the government infringing the right to keep and bear?

I didn't say I supported the infringement of any of them - I simply noted that the term, as used in the 2nd, does not encompass all weapons. It does, however, inarguably cover any and every class of firearm one cares to consider; for anyone honestly interested in a discussion of the suubject, that is all that maters.

 

[JakeStarkey]

We are talking about firearms not all weapons.

A missile isn't a firearm.

The second amendment is about arms, not firearms. The prohibition of Switchblade knives, butterfly knives, etc. is unconstitutional.

The second covers any PERSONAL arms, i.e. arms that may be born - carried on ones person.

A missile, tank, nuclear bomb is not covered as one cannot bear these.

An "assault rifle" or even a bazooka IS covered, as an average man may bear these.

The second amendment is about arms, not firearms. The prohibition of Switchblade knives, butterfly knives, etc. is unconstitutional.

I do not hink you are correct. Arms is a eighteenth and nineteenth century military term.
to stack arms
(Mil.) to set up a number of muskets or rifles together, with the bayonets crossing one another, and forming a sort of conical pile.


To stack arms - definition of To stack arms by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia.
Manual of Arms for Infantry
Mar 97 - 2

Arms makers of colonial America - Google Books

Sharp-edged weapons, such as sabers and cutlasses, as well as lances for specialized horse troops, all fell within military terminology and use. I think the argument generally revolves around crew served weapon platforms and larger, with some specific exceptions. Unmanned drones come to mind.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Hitler was not a socialist, and you are not a patriot.

{10. It must be the first duty of every Citizen to carry out intellectual or physical work.
Individual activity must not be harmful to the public interest and must be pursued
within the framework of the community and for the general good.
We therefore demand:
11. The abolition of all income obtained without labor or effort.
Breaking the Servitude of Interest
12. In view of the tremendous sacrifices in property and blood demanded of the
Nation by every war, personal gain from the war must be termed a crime against
the Nation. We therefore demand the total confiscation of all war profits.
13. We demand the nationalization of all enterprises (already) converted into
corporations (trusts).
14. We demand profit-sharing in large enterprises.
15. We demand the large-scale development of old-age pension schemes.
16. We demand the creation and maintenance of a sound middle class; the immediate
communalization of the large department stores, which are to be leased at low
rates to small tradesmen. We demand the most careful consideration for the
owners of small businesses in orders placed by national, state, or community
authorities.
17. We demand land reform in accordance with our national needs and a law for
expropriation without compensation of land for public purposes. Abolition of
ground rent and prevention of all speculation in land. }

http://users.stlcc.edu/rkalfus/PDFs/026.pdf

You sir, are an uneducated dolt.

Your history of the Nazis stopped in 1923? Once again, the Nazi right wing, led by Hitler and the SS, destroyed the left wing of the SA led by Ernest Roem. The corporatists supported Hitler solidly. and the Nazis never nationalized any industry. You have to do better than that.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Hitler was not a socialist, and you are not a patriot.

{10. It must be the first duty of every Citizen to carry out intellectual or physical work.
Individual activity must not be harmful to the public interest and must be pursued
within the framework of the community and for the general good.
We therefore demand:
11. The abolition of all income obtained without labor or effort.
Breaking the Servitude of Interest
12. In view of the tremendous sacrifices in property and blood demanded of the
Nation by every war, personal gain from the war must be termed a crime against
the Nation. We therefore demand the total confiscation of all war profits.
13. We demand the nationalization of all enterprises (already) converted into
corporations (trusts).
14. We demand profit-sharing in large enterprises.
15. We demand the large-scale development of old-age pension schemes.
16. We demand the creation and maintenance of a sound middle class; the immediate
communalization of the large department stores, which are to be leased at low
rates to small tradesmen. We demand the most careful consideration for the
owners of small businesses in orders placed by national, state, or community
authorities.
17. We demand land reform in accordance with our national needs and a law for
expropriation without compensation of land for public purposes. Abolition of
ground rent and prevention of all speculation in land. }

http://users.stlcc.edu/rkalfus/PDFs/026.pdf

You sir, are an uneducated dolt.

Your history of the Nazis stopped in 1923? Once again, the Nazi right wing, led by Hitler and the SS, destroyed the left wing of the SA led by Ernest Roem. The corporatists supported Hitler solidly. and the Nazis never nationalized any industry. You have to do better than that.

hitler was a statist he was for total government control. He was a dictator who was head of the National Socialist German Workers' Party, NAZI.

 

[JakeStarkey]

{10. It must be the first duty of every Citizen to carry out intellectual or physical work.
Individual activity must not be harmful to the public interest and must be pursued
within the framework of the community and for the general good.
We therefore demand:
11. The abolition of all income obtained without labor or effort.
Breaking the Servitude of Interest
12. In view of the tremendous sacrifices in property and blood demanded of the
Nation by every war, personal gain from the war must be termed a crime against
the Nation. We therefore demand the total confiscation of all war profits.
13. We demand the nationalization of all enterprises (already) converted into
corporations (trusts).
14. We demand profit-sharing in large enterprises.
15. We demand the large-scale development of old-age pension schemes.
16. We demand the creation and maintenance of a sound middle class; the immediate
communalization of the large department stores, which are to be leased at low
rates to small tradesmen. We demand the most careful consideration for the
owners of small businesses in orders placed by national, state, or community
authorities.
17. We demand land reform in accordance with our national needs and a law for
expropriation without compensation of land for public purposes. Abolition of
ground rent and prevention of all speculation in land. }

http://users.stlcc.edu/rkalfus/PDFs/026.pdf

You sir, are an uneducated dolt.

Your history of the Nazis stopped in 1923? Once again, the Nazi right wing, led by Hitler and the SS, destroyed the left wing of the SA led by Ernest Roem. The corporatists supported Hitler solidly. and the Nazis never nationalized any industry. You have to do better than that.

hitler was a statist he was for total government control. He was a dictator who was head of the National Socialist German Workers' Party, NAZI.

He was a dictator, he was a totalitarian, but he was not a socialist. History tells you, bigreb, that Hitler was not a socialist. Your own evidence proved that.

 

[xotoxi]

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

If the Constitution requires that we have "well regulated militia", then we need to start regulating more.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Your history of the Nazis stopped in 1923? Once again, the Nazi right wing, led by Hitler and the SS, destroyed the left wing of the SA led by Ernest Roem. The corporatists supported Hitler solidly. and the Nazis never nationalized any industry. You have to do better than that.

hitler was a statist he was for total government control. He was a dictator who was head of the National Socialist German Workers' Party, NAZI.

He was a dictator, he was a totalitarian, but he was not a socialist. History tells you, bigreb, that Hitler was not a socialist. Your own evidence proved that.

You defend against the notion that Hitler was a socialist why is that?

Wasn't he the leader of the National Socialist German Workers' Party? Isn't it the goal of all socialist to have a govenment that has total control of everything? Exactly how differant was hitlers socialism compared to stalins socialism? People were murdered by their government control.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

If the Constitution requires that we have "well regulated militia", then we need to start regulating more.

The Meaning of the Words in the Second Amendment
Meaning of the words in the Second Amendment

 

[M14 Shooter]

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

If the Constitution requires that we have "well regulated militia", then we need to start regulating more.

Why do you way that?
How is the militia currently insufficiently regulated?

 

[JakeStarkey]

hitler was a statist he was for total government control. He was a dictator who was head of the National Socialist German Workers' Party, NAZI.

He was a dictator, he was a totalitarian, but he was not a socialist. History tells you, bigreb, that Hitler was not a socialist. Your own evidence proved that.

You defend against the notion that Hitler was a socialist why is that?

Wasn't he the leader of the National Socialist German Workers' Party?

Thus the Democratic People's Republic of Korea, by your own suggestion above, is democratic and republican and represents the will of the people. North Korea is stalinist. Germany was totalitarian. Your own evidence blew up your thesis, bigreb.

 

[xotoxi]

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

If the Constitution requires that we have "well regulated militia", then we need to start regulating more.

Why do you way that?
How is the militia currently insufficiently regulated?

For one thing, the firearms that are to be used by the militia are not standardized. If we want them well regulated, everyone should be given the same type firearm, that was produced in a regulated manner.

Otherwise, you are stuck with a "somewhat haphazard militia".

If that's what you want, that's fine...but it would be unConstitutional.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

He was a dictator, he was a totalitarian, but he was not a socialist. History tells you, bigreb, that Hitler was not a socialist. Your own evidence proved that.

You defend against the notion that Hitler was a socialist why is that?

Wasn't he the leader of the National Socialist German Workers' Party?

Thus the Democratic People's Republic of Korea, by your own suggestion above, is democratic and republican and represents the will of the people. North Korea is stalinist. Germany was totalitarian. Your own evidence blew up your thesis, bigreb.

Which is why we are a Constitutional Republic.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

If the Constitution requires that we have "well regulated militia", then we need to start regulating more.

Why do you way that?
How is the militia currently insufficiently regulated?

For one thing, the firearms that are to be used by the militia are not standardized. If we want them well regulated, everyone should be given the same type firearm, that was produced in a regulated manner.

Otherwise, you are stuck with a "somewhat haphazard militia".

If that's what you want, that's fine...but it would be unConstitutional.

Not necessarily true. Look at the state militia during the war between the states. The states militia in the north did not have standard weapons, some men carried smooth bore 69 cal muskets at the beginning of the war. While others carried rifled bore rifles.

 

[BenNatuf]

If the Constitution requires that we have "well regulated militia", then we need to start regulating more.

Why do you way that?
How is the militia currently insufficiently regulated?

For one thing, the firearms that are to be used by the militia are not standardized. If we want them well regulated, everyone should be given the same type firearm, that was produced in a regulated manner.

Otherwise, you are stuck with a "somewhat haphazard militia".

If that's what you want, that's fine...but it would be unConstitutional.

no it wouldn't. the constitution does not mandate a well regulated militia, it allows one. The degree of regulation is up to the congress and the states.

 

[M14 Shooter]

If the Constitution requires that we have "well regulated militia", then we need to start regulating more.

Why do you way that?
How is the militia currently insufficiently regulated?

For one thing, the firearms that are to be used by the militia are not standardized.

What firearms are to be used?

If we want them well regulated, everyone should be given the same type firearm, that was produced in a regulated manner.

"Give"? Who arns the Militia?

Otherwise, you are stuck with a "somewhat haphazard militia".
If that's what you want, that's fine...but it would be unConstitutional.

What part of the constitution doe sthat violate?