What does Jesus think of the warmongering of the United States?

[AllieBaba]

I wonder why the mods allow unbridled flaming in the religion/ethics forum...when anything that starts out with such a ridiculous premise anywhere else is immediately dumped into the romper room, the conspiracy forum, or the flame zone?

All this shit does is make a joke out of the religion/ethics forum.

What is wrong with the OP question? Too awkward for you?

She's feeling insecure that she proclaims to be this big time christian who follows the Bible, yet even the lowest level of understanding shows how against the principles of war Jesus is/was.

It's a crossroads for her, what will win out? Her desire for us to kill muslims/arabs? Or her desire to follow Jesus's teachings?

I know what route she'll take now, but maybe as she grows up that'll change.

Did I promote war here and forget about it?

Lol....

 

[Dr.Drock]

What is wrong with the OP question? Too awkward for you?

She's feeling insecure that she proclaims to be this big time christian who follows the Bible, yet even the lowest level of understanding shows how against the principles of war Jesus is/was.

It's a crossroads for her, what will win out? Her desire for us to kill muslims/arabs? Or her desire to follow Jesus's teachings?

I know what route she'll take now, but maybe as she grows up that'll change.

Did I promote war here and forget about it?

Lol....

My apologies I shouldn't have assumed.

Are/were you against the wars in Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya?

 

[bodecea]

She's feeling insecure that she proclaims to be this big time christian who follows the Bible, yet even the lowest level of understanding shows how against the principles of war Jesus is/was.

It's a crossroads for her, what will win out? Her desire for us to kill muslims/arabs? Or her desire to follow Jesus's teachings?

I know what route she'll take now, but maybe as she grows up that'll change.

Did I promote war here and forget about it?

Lol....

My apologies I shouldn't have assumed.

Are/were you against the wars in Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya?

It's interesting how Allie considers these quotes to be troll material:

Here's Jesus and other biblical quotes;

"Resist not evil, but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also." (Mt. 5:39)

"Remind the Christians to speak evil of no man, to be no brawlers, but gentle, showing meekness to all men." (Titus 3:2)

"Do all things without murmurrings and disputings, that ye may be blameless and harmless, the sons of God without rebuke in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation." (Philipians 215)

Whatever you to to another it is as tho you were doing it to Jesus for he said:"In as much as ye have done it into one of the least of these, my brothers, ye have done it unto me." (Matthew 25:40)

"I say unto you love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which desoitefully use and persecute you, that you may be children of your father which is in heaven." (Matthew 5:44-45)

Very interesting.

 

[Dr.Drock]

Did I promote war here and forget about it?

Lol....

My apologies I shouldn't have assumed.

Are/were you against the wars in Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya?

It's interesting how Allie considers these quotes to be troll material:

Here's Jesus and other biblical quotes;

"Resist not evil, but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also." (Mt. 5:39)

"Remind the Christians to speak evil of no man, to be no brawlers, but gentle, showing meekness to all men." (Titus 3:2)

"Do all things without murmurrings and disputings, that ye may be blameless and harmless, the sons of God without rebuke in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation." (Philipians 215)

Whatever you to to another it is as tho you were doing it to Jesus for he said:"In as much as ye have done it into one of the least of these, my brothers, ye have done it unto me." (Matthew 25:40)

"I say unto you love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which desoitefully use and persecute you, that you may be children of your father which is in heaven." (Matthew 5:44-45)

Very interesting.

Yeah I thought that was interesting myself, even if she thinks I'm a heathen non-republican voting pro-choice demon I would think she would be happy with me spreading his word. The Bible says pretty clearly that's the obligation of man.

 

[Two Thumbs]

Jesus is dead, he thinks nothing about this.

He who lives by the sword shall die by the sword.

Jesus never ever said you can't defend yourself from being killed.

Evil men win when good men do nothing.

 

[Dr.Drock]

Jesus is dead, he thinks nothing about this.

He who lives by the sword shall die by the sword.

Jesus never ever said you can't defend yourself from being killed.

Evil men win when good men do nothing.

I didn't think christians viewed Jesus as dead, am I incorrectly labeling you as a christian?

More often than not our wars aren't for defense, more often than not the principle of defense can be obtained without killing.

That last quote isn't what Jesus said, if my memory serves me right.

 

[Two Thumbs]

Jesus is dead, he thinks nothing about this.

He who lives by the sword shall die by the sword.

Jesus never ever said you can't defend yourself from being killed.

Evil men win when good men do nothing.

I didn't think christians viewed Jesus as dead, am I incorrectly labeling you as a christian? I'm not.

More often than not our wars aren't for defense, more often than not the principle of defense can be obtained without killing.

That last quote isn't what Jesus said, if my memory serves me right.

I don't think so either, it's some simple wisdom that makes more sense than turning the other cheek.

A good person probably won't hit you again, and evil person will become amused at the fact they can beat on you whenever they want.

Abused wives come to mind.

And the best defense is a good offense, when it comes to war.

If people are planning on killing us, I'd rather they die over there, fighting soldiers, than in our streets, fighting civilians.

any fool can tell you the war in Lybia is Constitutionally and morally wrong.

Iraq was a just war until we learned it was based on lies.

Afg, was a just war until Al-q left. The Taliban are some first class assholes, but they are no direct threat.

There's more Al-q in the Phillapines than in Afg.

 

[Two Thumbs]

Jesus is dead, he thinks nothing about this.

He who lives by the sword shall die by the sword.

Jesus never ever said you can't defend yourself from being killed.

Evil men win when good men do nothing.

I didn't think christians viewed Jesus as dead, am I incorrectly labeling you as a christian?

More often than not our wars aren't for defense, more often than not the principle of defense can be obtained without killing.

That last quote isn't what Jesus said, if my memory serves me right.

People that believe in an all mighty super being and his kid or profits should be WAY more concerned what the all mighty super being thinks.

cuz every holy book has examples of what happens when that gets pissed at us.

 

[percysunshine]

What does Jesus think of the warmongering of the United States?


I don't know. But what ever it is, Charlie Sheen and Tom Cruise would probably agree with Him.

(this is a joke...just in case)

 

[ABikerSailor]

Jesus is dead, he thinks nothing about this.

He who lives by the sword shall die by the sword.

Jesus never ever said you can't defend yourself from being killed.

Evil men win when good men do nothing.

Actually, He was resurrected, which is what all the stuff is about during Easter.

And, FWIW, here's the literal translation of the quote from wikipedia.

A literal interpretation of the passages, in which the command refers specifically to a manual strike against the side of a person's face, can be supported by reference to historical and other factors.[2] At the time of Jesus, striking someone deemed to be of a lower class with the back of the hand was used to assert authority and dominance.[3] If the persecuted person "turned the other cheek," the discipliner was faced with a dilemma. The left hand was used for unclean purposes, so a back-hand strike on the opposite cheek would not be performed.[4] The other alternative would be a slap with the open hand as a challenge or to punch the person, but this was seen as a statement of equality. Thus, by turning the other cheek the persecuted was in effect demanding equality. By handing over one's cloak in addition to one's tunic, the debtor has essentially given the shirt off their back, a situation directly forbidden by Hebrew Law as stated in Deuteronomy 24: 10-13:

 

[percysunshine]

Aren't all Jesus jokes 'just in case' ?

I mean, if you are wrong..it is best to hedge your bets.

Who would want to be trapped for eternity with Michelle Obama dictating your dietary needs?

 

[xsited1]

What does Jesus think of the warmongering of the United States?

There is a lot about Jesus that is simply not taught. Let me try to explain with pictures.

Got it?

 

[LumpyPostage]

This is where Christians always get it wrong. Jesus would obviously use a TAR-21.

 

[Two Thumbs]

Jesus is dead, he thinks nothing about this.

He who lives by the sword shall die by the sword.

Jesus never ever said you can't defend yourself from being killed.

Evil men win when good men do nothing.

Actually, He was resurrected, which is what all the stuff is about during Easter.

And, FWIW, here's the literal translation of the quote from wikipedia.

A literal interpretation of the passages, in which the command refers specifically to a manual strike against the side of a person's face, can be supported by reference to historical and other factors.[2] At the time of Jesus, striking someone deemed to be of a lower class with the back of the hand was used to assert authority and dominance.[3] If the persecuted person "turned the other cheek," the discipliner was faced with a dilemma. The left hand was used for unclean purposes, so a back-hand strike on the opposite cheek would not be performed.[4] The other alternative would be a slap with the open hand as a challenge or to punch the person, but this was seen as a statement of equality. Thus, by turning the other cheek the persecuted was in effect demanding equality. By handing over one's cloak in addition to one's tunic, the debtor has essentially given the shirt off their back, a situation directly forbidden by Hebrew Law as stated in Deuteronomy 24: 10-13:

Historical context makes me a warm and fuzzy inside.

rep you when I can

 

[jeffrockit]

Thanks for the response. You didn't really answer my question as to what Jesus would think of it,

Jesus thinks the same thing Rodney King thinks.

Wrong. Rodney King is real.

And your proof that Jesus is not real is where?....... Thought so.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

I'm talking about all current and recent moments of warmongering in Afghanistan, Iraq, Pakistan, Syria, Libya, etc.

Here's Jesus and other biblical quotes;

"Resist not evil, but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also." (Mt. 5:39)

"Remind the Christians to speak evil of no man, to be no brawlers, but gentle, showing meekness to all men." (Titus 3:2)

"Do all things without murmurrings and disputings, that ye may be blameless and harmless, the sons of God without rebuke in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation." (Philipians 215)

Whatever you to to another it is as tho you were doing it to Jesus for he said:"In as much as ye have done it into one of the least of these, my brothers, ye have done it unto me." (Matthew 25:40)

"I say unto you love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which desoitefully use and persecute you, that you may be children of your father which is in heaven." (Matthew 5:44-45)


There are many more quotes but for the sake of "readability" I stopped there, this is why Martin Luther King Jr was the greatest American of the 20th century to me. He's one of the few people I can think of who took this stuff seriously.

Jesus and God do not care what man's Governments do. Satan runs the Earth until the final battle.

 

[Vargulf]

Muslims believe that Muhammad was the last of the prophets and thus Muhammad's preachings supercede the preachings of Jesus. In his early life, Muhammad preached peace, however, in his latter years, he preached violence against all those who would not convert to his brand of religion. His philosophy....cut off the heads and hands of the infidels; conceive and execute every brand of ambush against non-believers and don't stop until only Islam exists.
So, if you think that turning the other cheek against Islamists is the solution and will actually sway Islamists to abandon their goal of ridding the world of Jesus worshippers, I challenge you to go to the Middle East and preach your beliefs. But, don't expect to return, at least not breathing and in one peace.
You and those like you, seem to think that all you have to do is preach peace and to placate the Islamists and that all will be well. You are naive and time will show that what is going on is an Islamic invasion of the west; an invasion without men in uniform or carrying weapons to fight as they did in days of old, but one of infiltration and growth in numbers. Once sufficient numbers are acheived, the demands for changes in society will follow.
I doubt Jesus would have advocated pacifism to the point as to allow all followers to be completely eliminated and thus see the end of the Christian religion altogether. For once gone, Christianity would simply go the way of the previous dead religions (ancient Greek/Roman gods, Norse gods, etc.). For a religion to exist, it needs to be defended, even if defending it means physical conflict.

 

[Dr.Drock]

Muslims believe that Muhammad was the last of the prophets and thus Muhammad's preachings supercede the preachings of Jesus. In his early life, Muhammad preached peace, however, in his latter years, he preached violence against all those who would not convert to his brand of religion. His philosophy....cut off the heads and hands of the infidels; conceive and execute every brand of ambush against non-believers and don't stop until only Islam exists.
So, if you think that turning the other cheek against Islamists is the solution and will actually sway Islamists to abandon their goal of ridding the world of Jesus worshippers, I challenge you to go to the Middle East and preach your beliefs. But, don't expect to return, at least not breathing and in one peace.
You and those like you, seem to think that all you have to do is preach peace and to placate the Islamists and that all will be well. You are naive and time will show that what is going on is an Islamic invasion of the west; an invasion without men in uniform or carrying weapons to fight as they did in days of old, but one of infiltration and growth in numbers. Once sufficient numbers are acheived, the demands for changes in society will follow.
I doubt Jesus would have advocated pacifism to the point as to allow all followers to be completely eliminated and thus see the end of the Christian religion altogether. For once gone, Christianity would simply go the way of the previous dead religions (ancient Greek/Roman gods, Norse gods, etc.). For a religion to exist, it needs to be defended, even if defending it means physical conflict.

Can you provide the quote from Jesus or verse from the New Testament that advocates for a Holy War against Islam?

 

[LumpyPostage]

I think people only invented Rodney King to make themselves feel better about their own bad driving. He's a myth.

 

[Douger]

I don't like war, our politicians are the ones that like war, along with the companies that supply the war material. During Vietnam it was being called a political war. I suggested that we take the number of people in the military and divide by the number of politicians to get a ratio. Lets say the ratio is 100:1. Every time 100 military die we have to have one politician die. that would end the war in about a week.

Free will is what Jesus gave us, some chose to do right and some chose to do wrong. If we didn't have free will we would all be robots and this discussion would not be taking place because we would all be alike.

How boring.

Thanks for the response. You didn't really answer my question as to what Jesus would think of it, but I appreciate your thoughts.

In my opinion we're all partially to blame to different degrees, either by encouraging or allowing our politicians to do these things and our tax dollars are used to do them.

Based on my beliefs he is very sad. It is not Gods will that we go to war, if we would do what we asked of us there would be no war but evil does exist. We have a choice to chose good vs evil. Since Christians are a minority in the world we are obviously losing the battle.

When you find the real creator you'll understand how you've been lied to for over, well over, 6000 years.

Lest ye not forgetteth. "gaWd" is also in the midst of a war because 33% of hiS cohorts think hE's an asShat...................or so the story goes.

OTOH. The only oil Jeezus needed back then came from the olive tree.
Maybe if he were here today he'd toss out the turn the cheek thing when he found out the oil needed to power his Private jet, Winnebago, bass boat, Harley, Corvette, snowmobiles and Jet ski's was in someone else's hands ?