What does HC ruling mean for Obama in November?

[Flopper]

I predict after the Republican convention, Romney will not even mention healthcare unless cornered in a debate. It's going to be a dead issue for Republicans.

 

[sarahgop]

The people will decide the fate of Obama and Obamacare in 131 days.

no, they wont.

 

[dblack]

The US , by voting for whatever 3rd party candidate you plan on supporting ( I am assuming you plan on voting for someone, right?) you are essentially voting for Obama by default.

Listen. It gets old retyping this, but please try to understand. You can make exactly the same argument in the other direction. You can say that by voting third party you are essentially voting for Romney by default. What is the difference??? There is none at all.

But of course neither is true. It's based on a logical error.

Nice try, but your logical fallacy argument is only valid if each candidate has the exact same odds of winning the election. They do not. As of this moment, your vote for a 3rd party candidate only helps one person - Obama.

Try thinking about it a little more clearly. The estimated odds are irrelevant to the question of who a vote "helps".

Your argument is based on a faulty assumption. You're assuming that if I didn't vote third party I'd vote for Romney, and that's not true. I'd stay at home rather than vote for either Obama or Romney. So, no, me voting for a third party candidate doesn't help either Obama or Romney.

 

[dblack]

The people will decide the fate of Obama and Obamacare in 131 days.

no, they wont.

Sadly, I have to agree. The fate of our health care system was written in stone the minute Obama invited all the 'major players' to the table to decide our fate. The rest was just paperwork.

 

[Missourian]

In essence, it's a pretty sound case to vote for him:

Closes the Medicare Part D "donut" hole;
Allows persons to stay on their parents' insurance until they are 26 at no cost to you or I;
Makes insurance companies take you with PECs...

On balance; it's a great bill.

Meanwhile...the presumptive Republican nominee has offered nothing as an alternative.

Sounds great...after the 2700 page Obamacare monstrosity is repealed, we can write that law on a post-it.

Apparently you're unsophisticated about how the bill becomes a law and how a law is repealed:

First what may happen is Obama doesn't get a second term. We all know Romney isn't going to win but lets say he does.

Then what must happen is that you would have to get a super majority in the Senate. Mathematically, that isn't going to happen either.

So there is no chance (at least for the next 2 years) that any part of this law will be repealed.

Sorry, thats the way it works.

If there's a will...there's a way.

Read and be enlightened.


GOP ACA Repeal Options | Scribd

 

[swizzlee]

Dead Man Walking.................

Next?

 

[naturegirl]

Allows persons to stay on their parents' insurance until they are 26 at no cost to you or I;

No cost?? Who the heck is going to pay for it. Please tell me you don't believe this.

 

[Stephanie]

I love this one..

Allows persons to stay on their parents' insurance until they are 26 at no cost to you or I;

now just how many parents want their ADULT children living off them? and HOW many parents can AFFORD to pay for their ADULT children staying on their insurance..

 

[LoneLaugher]

Allows persons to stay on their parents' insurance until they are 26 at no cost to you or I;

No cost?? Who the heck is going to pay for it. Please tell me you don't believe this.

The kid's parents. Who did you think was going to pay the premium on their private insurance policy?

 

[candycorn]

Sounds great...after the 2700 page Obamacare monstrosity is repealed, we can write that law on a post-it.

Apparently you're unsophisticated about how the bill becomes a law and how a law is repealed:

First what may happen is Obama doesn't get a second term. We all know Romney isn't going to win but lets say he does.

Then what must happen is that you would have to get a super majority in the Senate. Mathematically, that isn't going to happen either.

So there is no chance (at least for the next 2 years) that any part of this law will be repealed.

Sorry, thats the way it works.

If there's a will...there's a way.

Read and be enlightened.


GOP ACA Repeal Options | Scribd

Read the following...


Republicans’ best hope for partial repeal is through the reconciliation process, whereby legislationonly needs a simple majority to pass the Senate, as it is certain that the GOP will not have afilibuster-proof majority next year.

However, the reconciliation process cannot undo reform it itsentirety, as some key elements of the law are not considered to have a budgetary impact and wouldtherefore require 60 votes to overcome a filibuster. As such, a Romney Administration could address these issues through the decision not to implement or release final rules, as well as the rescission or rewriting of regulations.

Furthermore, a new GOP Congress can block implementation of any newrules the Obama Administration releases in Q4/early Q1 via the Congressional Review Act with asimple majority vote.Below are the various issues being targeted by Republicans, as well as the policy tools they will employ to repeal, replace or stall them.

We note that the following assumes a Romney victory, aRepublican Congress, and that the Supreme Court upholds the law in its entirety.


Romney will not win the upcoming election. There should be a GOP congress but without the necessary 60 votes to do business in our Senate;

Thanks to our Constitution--majority doesn't rule.

No chance until 2014 if the GOP can strengthen it's hand in the Congress.

 

[candycorn]

Allows persons to stay on their parents' insurance until they are 26 at no cost to you or I;

No cost?? Who the heck is going to pay for it. Please tell me you don't believe this.

The kid's parents. Who did you think was going to pay the premium on their private insurance policy?

It's almost as if these people have no idea how insurance works.

 

[dblack]

It's almost as if these people have no idea how insurance works.

That's pretty much what got us into this mess in the first place.

 

[Listening]

Allows persons to stay on their parents' insurance until they are 26 at no cost to you or I;

No cost?? Who the heck is going to pay for it. Please tell me you don't believe this.

They just water the money tree. They have them planted next to the U.S. Mint.

 

[auditor0007]

Itd been more likely had the court decided the otherway because he could have said "well I tried but..." and then Republican's couldn't really run against it anymore. Now there are sound bytes of Obama saying it's not a tax when it really is. It's not popular with the country and especially in Swing States. I think it makes it even less likely Obama gets elected now. Either way it was a loss for him because people don't want it.

Most people do not understand it other than the one liners that Republicans have thrown out there. If Obama and the Dems do a good job of explaining how it will work, I do believe most people will be willing to give it a chance. Even those who support it understand it has some flaws, but those can be addressed over time.

Funny thing about ACA is that before it was passed, I was getting 12 to 15 percent premium increases on my health insurance every year. Since it has passed, those rate increases have been under 5% for the last two years. These are real numbers and dollars that I can see, not some made up mumbo jumbo of how this is increasing premiums more than ever before.

As for it costing jobs and all the other nonsense, Massachusetts already has this, it's called Romneycare, and they have the 11th lowest unemployment rate in the country at 6.0%. The good thing is that we can thank Romney for coming up with the idea of Romneycare. Now we have it for everyone, and about time.

 

[LoneLaugher]

It's almost as if these people have no idea how insurance works.

That's pretty much what got us into this mess in the first place.

There is no mess. There is progress in tackling the problem of expensive health care and uninsured millions. That is cleaning up the mess.

 

[Jackson]

Apparently you're unsophisticated about how the bill becomes a law and how a law is repealed:

First what may happen is Obama doesn't get a second term. We all know Romney isn't going to win but lets say he does.

Then what must happen is that you would have to get a super majority in the Senate. Mathematically, that isn't going to happen either.

So there is no chance (at least for the next 2 years) that any part of this law will be repealed.

Sorry, thats the way it works.

If there's a will...there's a way.

Read and be enlightened.


GOP ACA Repeal Options | Scribd

Read the following...


Republicans’ best hope for partial repeal is through the reconciliation process, whereby legislationonly needs a simple majority to pass the Senate, as it is certain that the GOP will not have afilibuster-proof majority next year.

However, the reconciliation process cannot undo reform it itsentirety, as some key elements of the law are not considered to have a budgetary impact and wouldtherefore require 60 votes to overcome a filibuster. As such, a Romney Administration could address these issues through the decision not to implement or release final rules, as well as the rescission or rewriting of regulations.

Furthermore, a new GOP Congress can block implementation of any newrules the Obama Administration releases in Q4/early Q1 via the Congressional Review Act with asimple majority vote.Below are the various issues being targeted by Republicans, as well as the policy tools they will employ to repeal, replace or stall them.

We note that the following assumes a Romney victory, aRepublican Congress, and that the Supreme Court upholds the law in its entirety.


Romney will not win the upcoming election. There should be a GOP congress but without the necessary 60 votes to do business in our Senate;

Thanks to our Constitution--majority doesn't rule.

No chance until 2014 if the GOP can strengthen it's hand in the Congress.

Since this has been ruled a tax, filibusters are no longer an issue.

 

[EriktheRed]

Thanks to our Constitution--majority doesn't rule.

That's not really due to the Constitution. That's Senate rules, which the majority can change if they so desire.

 

[candycorn]

If there's a will...there's a way.

Read and be enlightened.


GOP ACA Repeal Options | Scribd

Read the following...


Republicans’ best hope for partial repeal is through the reconciliation process, whereby legislationonly needs a simple majority to pass the Senate, as it is certain that the GOP will not have afilibuster-proof majority next year.

However, the reconciliation process cannot undo reform it itsentirety, as some key elements of the law are not considered to have a budgetary impact and wouldtherefore require 60 votes to overcome a filibuster. As such, a Romney Administration could address these issues through the decision not to implement or release final rules, as well as the rescission or rewriting of regulations.

Furthermore, a new GOP Congress can block implementation of any newrules the Obama Administration releases in Q4/early Q1 via the Congressional Review Act with asimple majority vote.Below are the various issues being targeted by Republicans, as well as the policy tools they will employ to repeal, replace or stall them.

We note that the following assumes a Romney victory, aRepublican Congress, and that the Supreme Court upholds the law in its entirety.


Romney will not win the upcoming election. There should be a GOP congress but without the necessary 60 votes to do business in our Senate;

Thanks to our Constitution--majority doesn't rule.

No chance until 2014 if the GOP can strengthen it's hand in the Congress.

Since this has been ruled a tax, filibusters are no longer an issue.

Sure they are... since bills must pass both houses last I checked. Additionally, since Obama will win the 2012 election, the veto/repeal question comes into play as well.

 

[candycorn]

Thanks to our Constitution--majority doesn't rule.

That's not really due to the Constitution. That's Senate rules, which the majority can change if they so desire.

Such things should be in the Constitution is my point; so people like Harry Reid cannot stall legislation by themselves.

 

[EriktheRed]

Thanks to our Constitution--majority doesn't rule.

That's not really due to the Constitution. That's Senate rules, which the majority can change if they so desire.

Such things should be in the Constitution is my point; so people like Harry Reid cannot stall legislation by themselves.

Ah, ok.