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This is an insanely stupid non-sequitur.Not true. Evidence shows that they believe in paying for the health insurance for Congress but not paying for their own.The republicans believe that you should go work for it and buy your own; meaning, Pay your own hosipital bills
Health care for Congress is no different than health care in any other employee/employer relationship. Supporting this, or not supporting this, has absolutely no logical relationship to supporting or not supporting the federal government providing health care to -everyone- in the US.
Or, in your case, lying in order to make a point that could not otherwise be made.And, some of them believe in lying rather than taking responsibility for their own ignorance.
Congrats on another non-sequitur - glad to see you have a mastery of the concept and thw ability to apply it to your debate.This is an insanely stupid non-sequitur.Not true. Evidence shows that they believe in paying for the health insurance for Congress but not paying for their own.
Health care for Congress is no different than health care in any other employee/employer relationship. Supporting this, or not supporting this, has absolutely no logical relationship to supporting or not supporting the federal government providing health care to -everyone- in the US.
Or, in your case, lying in order to make a point that could not otherwise be made.And, some of them believe in lying rather than taking responsibility for their own ignorance.
What cracks me up is that some pubs/bags are willing to hurt themselves rather than educate themselves. They don't even have the courage to admit it when they're wrong.
Here's someone with the courage to educate herself about ObamaCare.
Breast cancer, health insurance and an apology to President Obama - latimes.com
I wonder if some here won't even have the courage to read this all the way through.
Okay, especially for M14 and Conservative because they so dumb -
The closing of the "donut hole"? 80% of your premiums must go to health care. Parents can keep their kids on their policies until they're 25 (that right there is a huge savings).
Our insurance company sent us info. If you haven't gotten the same from your own ins, call them. Also, we got a premium refund - you might be eligible as well.
See it now?
Okay, especially for M14 and Conservative because they so dumb -
The closing of the "donut hole"? 80% of your premiums must go to health care. Parents can keep their kids on their policies until they're 25 (that right there is a huge savings).
Our insurance company sent us info. If you haven't gotten the same from your own ins, call them. Also, we got a premium refund - you might be eligible as well.
See it now?
No, and neither do you.
NONE of that saves YOU any money.
The closing of the donut hole doesn't save YOU anything, unless you're IN the donut hole. Since you refuse to substantiate the claim, we have to work with the understanding that you're NOT in the donut hole.
80% of your premiums going to 'health care' does not mean that your premiums went down by 20%, dimwit. It means NOTHING in regards to your personal healthcare costs. Again, you're making a claim without offering a single fact to substantiate it.
Keeping your child on your plan until they are 25 does not SAVE you money, you incredible moron, it COSTS you money. It is MORE EXPENSIVE to the consumer to have a family plan, than an individual or couple plan. The savings would not start until you DROP then when they reach 26.
How fucking stupid are you? Really? We want to know.
Okay, especially for M14 and Conservative because they so dumb -
The closing of the "donut hole"? 80% of your premiums must go to health care. Parents can keep their kids on their policies until they're 25 (that right there is a huge savings).
Our insurance company sent us info. If you haven't gotten the same from your own ins, call them. Also, we got a premium refund - you might be eligible as well.
See it now?
No, and neither do you.
NONE of that saves YOU any money.
The closing of the donut hole doesn't save YOU anything, unless you're IN the donut hole. Since you refuse to substantiate the claim, we have to work with the understanding that you're NOT in the donut hole.
80% of your premiums going to 'health care' does not mean that your premiums went down by 20%, dimwit. It means NOTHING in regards to your personal healthcare costs. Again, you're making a claim without offering a single fact to substantiate it.
Keeping your child on your plan until they are 25 does not SAVE you money, you incredible moron, it COSTS you money. It is MORE EXPENSIVE to the consumer to have a family plan, than an individual or couple plan. The savings would not start until you DROP then when they reach 26.
How fucking stupid are you? Really? We want to know.
Zactly. That something -might- save you money in no way proves that it -did- save you money.The closing of the donut hole doesn't save YOU anything, unless you're IN the donut hole. Since you refuse to substantiate the claim, we have to work with the understanding that you're NOT in the donut hole.
Okay, especially for M14 and Conservative because they so dumb -
The closing of the "donut hole"? 80% of your premiums must go to health care. Parents can keep their kids on their policies until they're 25 (that right there is a huge savings).
Our insurance company sent us info. If you haven't gotten the same from your own ins, call them. Also, we got a premium refund - you might be eligible as well.
See it now?
No, and neither do you.
NONE of that saves YOU any money.
The closing of the donut hole doesn't save YOU anything, unless you're IN the donut hole. Since you refuse to substantiate the claim, we have to work with the understanding that you're NOT in the donut hole.
80% of your premiums going to 'health care' does not mean that your premiums went down by 20%, dimwit. It means NOTHING in regards to your personal healthcare costs. Again, you're making a claim without offering a single fact to substantiate it.
Keeping your child on your plan until they are 25 does not SAVE you money, you incredible moron, it COSTS you money. It is MORE EXPENSIVE to the consumer to have a family plan, than an individual or couple plan. The savings would not start until you DROP then when they reach 26.
How fucking stupid are you? Really? We want to know.
Keeping your kid on your health plan costs less than another health plan. Did that really have to be explained?
Are you not responsible for yourself?? Is government, someone else, or society responsible for your personal well being?? If you believe others are responsible, please cite the basis of this and why others are required to take care of you....
Now.. I am all for voluntary charity, helping those down on their 'luck' or in a bad situation... but that is voluntary giving, on the individual, do donate what they want... and since this is a free society, you have the freedom to also be a selfish prick and not help any cause... and while I may not agree, I agree they have the right to be that way...
There is health insurance that is available for purchase for most any citizen.... Can we get things better with loosening restrictions, increasing competition (thus driving down price), and make it easier by allowing more groups (neighborhood associations, Moose clubs, bowling leagues, etc) to get access to group health plans for their members to purchase, giving people more options than just what employers can or will offer.... but to have mandated government provided health care, paid for by others, to citizens who are NOT wards of the state (those who are committed and controlled by the state) is absolutely against a free society and is absolute BULLSHIT....
So take your little troll antics, slogan chanting bullshit and shove it up your ass
Are we responsible for ourselves?
For the most part, we are. We raise our families, feed, clothe and house ourselves. We make decisions on how we want to live our lives
But we are also members of a society. We are stronger as a society than as a bunch of individuals. We can accomplish more as a citizen of the United States. Some challenges are best faced as an individual while others are best faced as a member of society
National Defense is obviously best faced as a society. So is universal education, public infrastructure and public safety
It used to be that healthcare was best faced as an individual. If you got sick, you went to the doctor and could be treated for a few bucks. Then, hospitalization became more expensive and private insurance was needed. Then, private insurance became too expensive.
Most of the rest of the world has recognized that healthcare is no longer one of those things you can handle as an individual. It needs to be handled by the society as a whole so that everyone is better off
Some very good points but don't expect most pubs/bags to take responsibility for their own health insurance. That's what the rest of us are here for.
Okay, especially for M14 and Conservative because they so dumb -
The closing of the "donut hole"? 80% of your premiums must go to health care. Parents can keep their kids on their policies until they're 25 (that right there is a huge savings).
Our insurance company sent us info. If you haven't gotten the same from your own ins, call them. Also, we got a premium refund - you might be eligible as well.
See it now?
No, and neither do you.
NONE of that saves YOU any money.
The closing of the donut hole doesn't save YOU anything, unless you're IN the donut hole. Since you refuse to substantiate the claim, we have to work with the understanding that you're NOT in the donut hole.
80% of your premiums going to 'health care' does not mean that your premiums went down by 20%, dimwit. It means NOTHING in regards to your personal healthcare costs. Again, you're making a claim without offering a single fact to substantiate it.
Keeping your child on your plan until they are 25 does not SAVE you money, you incredible moron, it COSTS you money. It is MORE EXPENSIVE to the consumer to have a family plan, than an individual or couple plan. The savings would not start until you DROP then when they reach 26.
How fucking stupid are you? Really? We want to know.
It's like watching someone club a baby seal
Okay, especially for M14 and Conservative because they so dumb -
The closing of the "donut hole"? 80% of your premiums must go to health care. Parents can keep their kids on their policies until they're 25 (that right there is a huge savings).
Our insurance company sent us info. If you haven't gotten the same from your own ins, call them. Also, we got a premium refund - you might be eligible as well.
See it now?
No, and neither do you.
NONE of that saves YOU any money.
The closing of the donut hole doesn't save YOU anything, unless you're IN the donut hole. Since you refuse to substantiate the claim, we have to work with the understanding that you're NOT in the donut hole.
80% of your premiums going to 'health care' does not mean that your premiums went down by 20%, dimwit. It means NOTHING in regards to your personal healthcare costs. Again, you're making a claim without offering a single fact to substantiate it.
Keeping your child on your plan until they are 25 does not SAVE you money, you incredible moron, it COSTS you money. It is MORE EXPENSIVE to the consumer to have a family plan, than an individual or couple plan. The savings would not start until you DROP then when they reach 26.
How fucking stupid are you? Really? We want to know.
Keeping your kid on your health plan costs less than another health plan. Did that really have to be explained?
You need to work on your reading comprehension - perhaps when you get in from the playground you can ask your teacher for help.$4 trillion? Perhaps you should check your facts.
It costs will over a million dollars to take care of a paraplegic from 25 to 50. Double that for a quadriplegic. 40,000 Americans were maimed in Iraq alone. We will be paying for their care for decades thanks to the Republicans. The tragic parts are first, they don't want to acknowledge the cost. Insisting that talking about it is "unpatriotic". Second, they will blame the cost on Obama.
I suspect, when you add up all the cost for the next 50 years, it will be double or triple 4 trillion. Thanks, GOP.
Thee poster said "After spedning $4T" - as in the $4T has already been spent
You're discussing possible costs ~50 years into the future.
And so - and -so- not surprisingly - your post does nothing to substantiate the claim that $4T has been spent in Iraq.
Are we responsible for ourselves?
For the most part, we are. We raise our families, feed, clothe and house ourselves. We make decisions on how we want to live our lives
But we are also members of a society. We are stronger as a society than as a bunch of individuals. We can accomplish more as a citizen of the United States. Some challenges are best faced as an individual while others are best faced as a member of society
National Defense is obviously best faced as a society. So is universal education, public infrastructure and public safety
It used to be that healthcare was best faced as an individual. If you got sick, you went to the doctor and could be treated for a few bucks. Then, hospitalization became more expensive and private insurance was needed. Then, private insurance became too expensive.
Most of the rest of the world has recognized that healthcare is no longer one of those things you can handle as an individual. It needs to be handled by the society as a whole so that everyone is better off
Some very good points but don't expect most pubs/bags to take responsibility for their own health insurance. That's what the rest of us are here for.
For the most part, republicans have a "I don't care" attitude towards health insurance. They just think if people can't afford it, that is their problem
Uninusred Americans can continue to do what they have been doing. Use the emergency room. It winds up being on the taxpayer dime and up top nopw, the taxpayer was OK with it...and no one was dying becuase the ER turned them away. Why? Becuase no one is ever turned away from the ER.
Feel free to show us the numbers to that effect.It's possible that 4 trillion could be accurate.You need to work on your reading comprehension - perhaps when you get in from the playground you can ask your teacher for help.It costs will over a million dollars to take care of a paraplegic from 25 to 50. Double that for a quadriplegic. 40,000 Americans were maimed in Iraq alone. We will be paying for their care for decades thanks to the Republicans. The tragic parts are first, they don't want to acknowledge the cost. Insisting that talking about it is "unpatriotic". Second, they will blame the cost on Obama.
I suspect, when you add up all the cost for the next 50 years, it will be double or triple 4 trillion. Thanks, GOP.
Thee poster said "After spedning $4T" - as in the $4T has already been spent
You're discussing possible costs ~50 years into the future.
And so - and -so- not surprisingly - your post does nothing to substantiate the claim that $4T has been spent in Iraq.
This is not money already spent, and so irrelevant as support for the claim at hand.We don't know how much it will cost to replace our depleted military.
This is not money already spent, and so irrelevant as support for the claim at hand.We don't know how much it's cost to take care of the soldiers who have been maimed.
This is not money already spent, and so irrelevant as support for the claim at hand.Our military is depleted RIGHT NOW.
This is not money already spent, and so irrelevant as support for the claim at hand.The maimed exist RIGHT NOW.
Some very good points but don't expect most pubs/bags to take responsibility for their own health insurance. That's what the rest of us are here for.
For the most part, republicans have a "I don't care" attitude towards health insurance. They just think if people can't afford it, that is their problem
Is your personal care and upkeep your responsibility?? YES... Is it your freedom to be able to donate to causes and help all you wish, or to be a prick miser and not ever give a red cent to any charity at all? Yes....
I can have caring about it all... but to be FORCED to take over the responsibilities of others thru a redistribution system set up by the federal government is something all together different, flat out wrong, and against the powers granted to the federal government specifically in the constitution
And at 25, 7 years out of HS, they have ample opportunity to have a job with a health plan...
And since when do I plan on having a 'child' or 'kid' of the age of 25 (but you know they are not kids, right?) on my health plan anyway?? Unless that child is a dependent because of disability, WHICH I COULD KEEP ON MY INSURANCE ANYWAY
And at 25, 7 years out of HS, they have ample opportunity to have a job with a health plan...
And since when do I plan on having a 'child' or 'kid' of the age of 25 (but you know they are not kids, right?) on my health plan anyway?? Unless that child is a dependent because of disability, WHICH I COULD KEEP ON MY INSURANCE ANYWAY
How awful.
No, and neither do you.
NONE of that saves YOU any money.
The closing of the donut hole doesn't save YOU anything, unless you're IN the donut hole. Since you refuse to substantiate the claim, we have to work with the understanding that you're NOT in the donut hole.
80% of your premiums going to 'health care' does not mean that your premiums went down by 20%, dimwit. It means NOTHING in regards to your personal healthcare costs. Again, you're making a claim without offering a single fact to substantiate it.
Keeping your child on your plan until they are 25 does not SAVE you money, you incredible moron, it COSTS you money. It is MORE EXPENSIVE to the consumer to have a family plan, than an individual or couple plan. The savings would not start until you DROP then when they reach 26.
How fucking stupid are you? Really? We want to know.
Keeping your kid on your health plan costs less than another health plan. Did that really have to be explained?
Not to you, it doesn't nimrod. Once they are 18, under the previous system, it was THEIR cost, not yours. Your costs would have gone down once they were covering their own, or their employer was covering it.
Under Obamacare, your costs stay at the higher family rate until you are forced to drop them at 25, OR until they have their own.
The ability to keep them on COSTS YOU MONEY, it does not SAVE you money.
And at 25, 7 years out of HS, they have ample opportunity to have a job with a health plan...
And since when do I plan on having a 'child' or 'kid' of the age of 25 (but you know they are not kids, right?) on my health plan anyway?? Unless that child is a dependent because of disability, WHICH I COULD KEEP ON MY INSURANCE ANYWAY
How awful.
For the most part, republicans have a "I don't care" attitude towards health insurance. They just think if people can't afford it, that is their problem
Is your personal care and upkeep your responsibility?? YES... Is it your freedom to be able to donate to causes and help all you wish, or to be a prick miser and not ever give a red cent to any charity at all? Yes....
I can have caring about it all... but to be FORCED to take over the responsibilities of others thru a redistribution system set up by the federal government is something all together different, flat out wrong, and against the powers granted to the federal government specifically in the constitution
Double D...we call it being an American
We Americans are the greatest society in the history of mankind. As a group we have accomplished more than any society in history. Great societies take care of their people.
If you are hungry......you can receive food
If you are cold.......you can receive shelter
If you are sick......you can receive medical care
