Were the Pilgrims Terrorists or Illegal Aliens?

[beretta304]

...or neither?

 

[konradv]

Definitely uninvited house guests. They brought diseases, didn't want to learn the language and had a sense of entitlement.

 

[IHBF]

The different native tribes had diseases and different languages too. They gave each other diseases, stole each others land, and did not learn each others languages.

The pilgrims were just another tribe. A more technologically advanced tribe.

 

[beretta304]

Definitely uninvited house guests. They brought diseases, didn't want to learn the language and had a sense of entitlement.

Invaders?

 

[Harry Dresden]

...or neither?

probably a little bit of both.....but if it wasn't the Europeans im sure someone else would have came and done the same shit.......

 

[martybegan]

The different native tribes had diseases and different languages too. They gave each other diseases, stole each others land, and did not learn each others languages.

The pilgrims were just another tribe. A more technologically advanced tribe.

Steel, horses and gunpowder > leather, no horses and bows and clubs.

 

[konradv]

The different native tribes had diseases and different languages too. They gave each other diseases, stole each others land, and did not learn each others languages.

The pilgrims were just another tribe. A more technologically advanced tribe.

They didn't give each others diseases on the order that European settlers did and they did learn each others languages. Sure they stole land from each other. You're one for three, that IS bad.

As far as technology goes that didn't help them get their own food, they needed help. They did have guns and were hard workers, however. Remind you of anyone?

 

[TNHarley]

It was inevitable. Someone was going to do it. I dont think you could classify them as either. There were no laws so terrorists and illegal aliens were non-existent. At least in a vocabulary sense. And the Indians sense. I like the term "invaders"

 

[beretta304]

American Heroes?

 

[konradv]

American Heroes?

Who? The Pilgrims or the Tea Partiers? I say NO and YES.

 

[beretta304]

The Pilgrims were, after all, this country's first group of illegal immigrants.
The Pilgrims were brave. They were amazing, courageous, persecuted people who wanted to make new and better lives for themselves, and they sought out a place where they could make that happen. They weren't afraid to leave the only home and country they knew. They weren't afraid to leave friends and families behind. They weren't afraid to risk their lives and undertake an arduous journey. It was that bad where they lived.


The Pilgrims didn't speak the language -- nor did they bother to learn it. Otherwise, we'd all be speaking an Algonquian language rather than English. Because of that, the Wampanoag language is dying out -- though we do see remnants of it today in words such as Massachusetts. In 1993, an initiative called the Wopanaak Language Restoration Project was started. Jesse Little Doe Bird, the MIT linguist behind the initiative, was honored with a 2010 MacArthur Foundation Fellowship.


The Pilgrims were all on government assistance. They didn't have working papers and they lacked the skills necessary to survive in the unfamiliar New World. Massasoit and friends kindly taught them how to fish, how to hunt, and made sure they could provide for their families so their undocumented kids wouldn't starve.


The Pilgrims came here for religious freedom and to create a more democratic nation, yet they stripped the Native Americans of their rights. Native tribes, languages, and traditions were outlawed. Many of the Native Americans were forced into slavery. Everyone was "free" as long as they followed the Pilgrim plan.


The Pilgrims wooed the Wampanoag with booze. And while they were drunk, they took advantage of them, coercing them to sign shady land deals. Metacomet, the Wampanoag leader at the time (and Massasoit's son), insisted this practice be outlawed. The British refused.


The Pilgrims engaged in genocide. The Wampanoag in the area numbered 12,000 at their peak. When the Pilgrims were done, there were only about 2,000 living.



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[The Rabbi]

They couldn't have been illegals. What law did they break?
THey couldn't have been terrorists. Whom did they terrorize? The Indians traded peacefully with them.

They worked hard. They enjoyed life. They didnt pay much in taxes. Maybe they were Republicans.

 

[beretta304]

They couldn't have been illegals. What law did they break?
THey couldn't have been terrorists. Whom did they terrorize? The Indians traded peacefully with them.

They worked hard. They enjoyed life. They didnt pay much in taxes. Maybe they were Republicans.

So then they were neither....

Terrorists seek to put the population in a state of terror. Not their intent.

The native Americans had no laws regarding immigration so they couldn't be illegal aliens.

 

[konradv]

They couldn't have been illegals. What law did they break?
THey couldn't have been terrorists. Whom did they terrorize? The Indians traded peacefully with them.

They worked hard. They enjoyed life. They didnt pay much in taxes. Maybe they were Republicans.

You don't think the natives had laws? I'm sure they at least had rules about taking land and killing people. FAIL

I agree they worked hard, but so do the Mexicans. They're also religious and don't pay much in taxes. I guess they're the NEW American heroes.

 

[beretta304]

But despite all of those atrocities, guess what? Thanksgiving was not celebrated as a family or religious holiday, it was a multicultural community event. Two groups of people coming together to celebrate the melting pot that America was fast becoming.


So I say, eat your turkey,watch your football, and be grateful. Be grateful that Massasoit opened his borders to people in need and helped them make better lives for their families. Be grateful for those Pilgrims who were brave enough to leave their homelands in pursuit of a better life for all of us anchor babies. Be grateful that America is a multicultural country filled with all kinds of people, traditions, languages, religions, and political beliefs

 

[beretta304]

 

[Sallow]

Definitely uninvited house guests. They brought diseases, didn't want to learn the language and had a sense of entitlement.

That and they started raping, kidnapping and killing thier hosts.

Not very nice. Not nice at all.

 

[LogikAndReazon]

The really real truth can be found in any ivy leauge native american studies, black studies, and anti-american neo-progressive "history" course.....................

 

[JakeStarkey]

Both. However, they won, so . . . there you go.

...or neither?

 

[IHBF]

The different native tribes had diseases and different languages too. They gave each other diseases, stole each others land, and did not learn each others languages.

The pilgrims were just another tribe. A more technologically advanced tribe.

They didn't give each others diseases on the order that European settlers did and they did learn each others languages. Sure they stole land from each other. You're one for three, that IS bad.

As far as technology goes that didn't help them get their own food, they needed help. They did have guns and were hard workers, however. Remind you of anyone?

Try 3/3, comrade.

1. You admitted they gave each other diseases. You're just not satisfied with the level.

2. They learned each others languages just as much as the pilgrims did.

3. Technology is what made them superior. The food shortage was in large part do to their farming pravtices. First year, community farming= shortage. Second year, each family responsible for their own=abundance. A great example of communism failing, like your posts.