Were the Pilgrims Terrorists or Illegal Aliens?

[CrazedScotsman]

Conquerors.

 

[LogikAndReazon]

"Progressive" illiterates..............Not proud of their country until a marxist , community organizing, Kenyan promised to fundamentally change it.................

 

[JakeStarkey]

I see they outsourced the mental patient community for the holiday.

You moron.

"Progressive" illiterates..............Not proud of their country until a marxist , community organizing, Kenyan promised to fundamentally change it.................

 

[The Rabbi]

They couldn't have been illegals. What law did they break?
THey couldn't have been terrorists. Whom did they terrorize? The Indians traded peacefully with them.

They worked hard. They enjoyed life. They didnt pay much in taxes. Maybe they were Republicans.

You don't think the natives had laws? I'm sure they at least had rules about taking land and killing people. FAIL

I agree they worked hard, but so do the Mexicans. They're also religious and don't pay much in taxes. I guess they're the NEW American heroes.

What law did they break, genius?

 

[Newby]

Definitely uninvited house guests. They brought diseases, didn't want to learn the language and had a sense of entitlement.

How is that any different from the Mexicans today? Or is your opinion of their traits based solely on the fact that they were white europeans?

 

[HUGGY]

...or neither?

Both.

 

[Katzndogz]

Neither, but you have to not be a leftist to understand that. Changing the nation's history is an important part of the transformation the left has in store for us.

 

[LordBrownTrout]

Angry white people.

 

[McDowell's]

Definitely uninvited house guests. They brought diseases, didn't want to learn the language and had a sense of entitlement.

How is that any different from the Mexicans today? Or is your opinion of their traits based solely on the fact that they were white europeans?

I think what he's trying to say is we should learn a lesson from History and implement a controlled immigration policy if we want to preserve our society. Or maybe he's just an idiot.

 

[Katzndogz]

The British should cover themselves with blue wode and protest the Romans.

 

[LogikAndReazon]

Its more important to understand blacks, womens, and homosexuals contributions to the landing at Plymouth and examine the environmental impact that had on the fragile ecology.........Lol

 

[JakeStarkey]

Funny!

 

[konradv]

The different native tribes had diseases and different languages too. They gave each other diseases, stole each others land, and did not learn each others languages.

The pilgrims were just another tribe. A more technologically advanced tribe.

They didn't give each others diseases on the order that European settlers did and they did learn each others languages. Sure they stole land from each other. You're one for three, that IS bad.

As far as technology goes that didn't help them get their own food, they needed help. They did have guns and were hard workers, however. Remind you of anyone?

Try 3/3, comrade.

1. You admitted they gave each other diseases. You're just not satisfied with the level.

2. They learned each others languages just as much as the pilgrims did.

3. Technology is what made them superior. The food shortage was in large part do to their farming pravtices. First year, community farming= shortage. Second year, each family responsible for their own=abundance. A great example of communism failing, like your posts.

1) Diseases common to the area aren't on the same order as those to which they didn't have immunity.

2) Cite? They'd been interacting with each other for thousands of years. They had to know each other better than newcomers who thought themselves to be superior and didn't want to interact with the devil's people.

3) Your simplistic analysis of the situation is laughable. They also brought with them the English practice of The Commons.

 

[IHBF]

They didn't give each others diseases on the order that European settlers did and they did learn each others languages. Sure they stole land from each other. You're one for three, that IS bad.

As far as technology goes that didn't help them get their own food, they needed help. They did have guns and were hard workers, however. Remind you of anyone?

Try 3/3, comrade.

1. You admitted they gave each other diseases. You're just not satisfied with the level.

2. They learned each others languages just as much as the pilgrims did.

3. Technology is what made them superior. The food shortage was in large part do to their farming pravtices. First year, community farming= shortage. Second year, each family responsible for their own=abundance. A great example of communism failing, like your posts.

1) Diseases common to the area aren't on the same order as those to which they didn't have immunity.

2) Cite? They'd been interacting with each other for thousands of years. They had to know each other better than newcomers who thought themselves to be superior and didn't want to interact with the devil's people.

3) Your simplistic analysis of the situation is laughable. They also brought with them the English practice of The Commons.

You appear to be under some Howard Zinn induced misguided understanding that the "native" tribes, all of them, lived in peace within unarbitrated parcels of land. Reality, however, shows this is not the case. Many different cultures and languages moved into the region bringing new languages and diseases and battling for land. The pilgrims were just another tribe, and by and large they were very civil (often trading) with their new neighbors.

Let's look more closely at our three points of contention:

1. Disease
2. Language
3. Technology

My argument is that:

1. all the tribes involved (including pilgrims) spread diseases to other tribes. What level of disease spreading is adequate for you to accept this point?

2. John Eliot. One example. He translated the Bible.

3. There is no doubt the pilgrims were more technologically advanced than the other tribes.

 

[JakeStarkey]

1. The diseases the native tribes spread were far less destructive than the overwhelming pandemics that swept through Native America for almost three centuries.

2. English, French, Dutch, Swedish, Spanish, etc, compounded European communication as easily as did the native languages.

3. The native tribes did not need European technology. Remember that natives taught the Pilgrims and the Cavaliers how to farm properly in the New World.

Watch ShootSpeeders and Katzndogz write nasty racists notes below.

 

[ShootSpeeders]

The pilgrims were saviors. The indians were just savages living in caves until the white man showed up with his technology. Indians today have it so easy. Just go on welfare and live off the white man.

 

[Katzndogz]

When are we finally going to dump the myth of the noble savage, superior in every way to the animalistic whites who came here to plunder and pillage?

If you want to pay some kind of cultural pennance, go to a casino. Have a good time.

 

[FJO]

The different native tribes had diseases and different languages too. They gave each other diseases, stole each others land, and did not learn each others languages.

The pilgrims were just another tribe. A more technologically advanced tribe.

They didn't give each others diseases on the order that European settlers did and they did learn each others languages. Sure they stole land from each other. You're one for three, that IS bad.

As far as technology goes that didn't help them get their own food, they needed help. They did have guns and were hard workers, however. Remind you of anyone?

Native Americans gave the White Man the glorious gift of TOBACCO.

It killed far more white people than any disease that might have been contracted from a blanket.

 

[FJO]

The different native tribes had diseases and different languages too. They gave each other diseases, stole each others land, and did not learn each others languages.

The pilgrims were just another tribe. A more technologically advanced tribe.

They didn't give each others diseases on the order that European settlers did and they did learn each others languages. Sure they stole land from each other. You're one for three, that IS bad.

As far as technology goes that didn't help them get their own food, they needed help. They did have guns and were hard workers, however. Remind you of anyone?

If Native Americans (and I cringe every time I have to use that contrived term) had been smart enough to write, develop their own technology, they would have gone across the ocean and made Europe their own the same way Europeans did in America.

And, by Manitou, WHAT A HAPPY PLACE EARTH WOULD BE TODAY!!!!

 

[FJO]

The Pilgrims were, after all, this country's first group of illegal immigrants.
The Pilgrims were brave. They were amazing, courageous, persecuted people who wanted to make new and better lives for themselves, and they sought out a place where they could make that happen. They weren't afraid to leave the only home and country they knew. They weren't afraid to leave friends and families behind. They weren't afraid to risk their lives and undertake an arduous journey. It was that bad where they lived.


The Pilgrims didn't speak the language -- nor did they bother to learn it. Otherwise, we'd all be speaking an Algonquian language rather than English. Because of that, the Wampanoag language is dying out -- though we do see remnants of it today in words such as Massachusetts. In 1993, an initiative called the Wopanaak Language Restoration Project was started. Jesse Little Doe Bird, the MIT linguist behind the initiative, was honored with a 2010 MacArthur Foundation Fellowship.


The Pilgrims were all on government assistance. They didn't have working papers and they lacked the skills necessary to survive in the unfamiliar New World. Massasoit and friends kindly taught them how to fish, how to hunt, and made sure they could provide for their families so their undocumented kids wouldn't starve.


The Pilgrims came here for religious freedom and to create a more democratic nation, yet they stripped the Native Americans of their rights. Native tribes, languages, and traditions were outlawed. Many of the Native Americans were forced into slavery. Everyone was "free" as long as they followed the Pilgrim plan.


The Pilgrims wooed the Wampanoag with booze. And while they were drunk, they took advantage of them, coercing them to sign shady land deals. Metacomet, the Wampanoag leader at the time (and Massasoit's son), insisted this practice be outlawed. The British refused.


The Pilgrims engaged in genocide. The Wampanoag in the area numbered 12,000 at their peak. When the Pilgrims were done, there were only about 2,000 living.



Thanksgiving: A Lesson in Illegal Immigration | The Stir

The Pilgrims were a group of people the likes of which may never be seen again.

They had the moral conviction of their beliefs to the extent that they were ready and willing to leave the country of their birth in order to achieve the freedom which they later defined in the Constitution as "GOD-GIVEN".

They set the example for all the people in the world who yearn for freedom.

The people who fancy themselves as the new Pilgrims - at least those of them who managed to get past Grade 4 - try to establish their resolve by refusing to learn English.
But while the original Pilgrims were motivated by the desire of freedom today's pretenders are motivated by the phony notion of "RECONQUISTA".