Were Lincoln, Grant, and Sheridan War Criminals?

[Persuader]

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[Persuader]

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[DudleySmith]

Yea, the country would be a little different today, wouldn't it? No ugly legacy of slavery, and not still dealing with the fallout of having a permanent underclass in America.

Ah. so now you're endorsing the White Nationalist platform. That was Lincoln's idea, to ship them all back to Africa. You're a good KKK candidate.

 

[Turtlesoup]

The South were Terrorists

They deserve what they got

The south didn't invade others---the NOrth invaded the South.

 

[DudleySmith]

Poor white wage earners up north led miserable lives and often starved....black slaves on the plantation had everything provided for them....good healthy food, clothes, housing and medical care....had many children and lived to ripe old ages......because the slaves were very valuable and plantation owners being good businessmen understood the necessity of taking good care of their valuable property.

On the other hand white wage earners up north were worked to death, suffered constant hunger and nearly froze and often did in the cold northern winters.

These manufacturing jobs where poor whites worked were repetitious and hazardous. And from their meager earnings, Northern laborers had to pay for every one of life's necessities.

Theiy led miserable unhealthy lives and died young.

This continued up till the thirties when unions such as the UAW were organized and led finally to what is now known as the middle class.

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Similarities of wage work with slavery​

Critics of wage work have drawn several similarities between wage work and slavery:

1. Since the chattel slave is property, his value to an owner is in some ways higher than that of a worker who may quit, be fired or replaced. The chattel slave's owner has made a greater investment in terms of the money paid for the slave. For this reason, in times of recession chattel slaves could not be fired like wage laborers. A "wage slave" could also be harmed at no (or less) cost. American chattel-slaves in the 19th century had improved their standard of living from the 18th century[25] and – according to historians Fogel and Engerman – plantation records show that slaves worked less, were better fed and whipped only occasionally – their material conditions in the 19th century being "better than what was typically available to free urban laborers at the time".[26] This was partially due to slave psychological strategies under an economic system different from capitalist wage-slavery. According to Mark Michael Smith of the Economic History Society, "although intrusive and oppressive, paternalism, the way masters employed it, and the methods slaves used to manipulate it, rendered slaveholders' attempts to institute capitalistic work regimens on their plantation ineffective and so allowed slaves to carve out a degree of autonomy".[38]
2. Unlike a chattel slave, a wage laborer can (barring unemployment or lack of job offers) choose between employers, but those employers usually constitute a minority of owners in the population for which the wage laborer must work while attempts to implement workers' control on employers' businesses may be considered an act of theft or insubordination and thus be met with violence, imprisonment or other legal and social measures. The wage laborer's starkest choice is to work for an employer or to face poverty or starvation. If a chattel slave refuses to work, a number of punishments are also available; from beatings to food deprivation – although economically rational slave-owners practiced positive reinforcement to achieve best results and before losing their investment by killing an expensive slave.[39][40]
3. Historically, the range of occupations and status positions held by chattel slaves has been nearly as broad as that held by free persons, indicating some similarities between chattel slavery and wage slavery as well.[41]
4. Like chattel slavery, wage slavery does not stem from some immutable "human nature", but represents a "specific response to material and historical conditions.

Wage slavery - Wikipedia

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Poor whites were highly expendable; it is their bodies that fill the river levees of the South by the 10's of thousands, buried where they dropped working on the building crews, they didn't take time to bury them in graves. Blacks were too valuable; they got the easy jobs on the cotton boats so they would get injured, that was left to the Irish and German laborers.

The reason American employers love mass immigration so much was the death tolls from starvation and disease were so high they needed a constant flow of temp workers, since the die-offs in the winters of white workers were so high. It's a mentality employers still have today.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

Freedom?
They had 3.5 million enslaved

What about their freedom?

Now that you know what the enslaved did with their freedom aren't you the least bit sorry they got it?

 

[rightwinger]

The south didn't invade others---the NOrth invaded the South.

The South were Terrorists

There is no greater terrorism than Slavery

 

[Stashman]

Freedom?
They had 3.5 million enslaved

What about their freedom?

Your right the democrats sure did, and today have a lot more than that enslaved and they don't even know it.

 

[rightwinger]

Your right the democrats sure did, and today have a lot more than that enslaved and they don't even know it.

They were enslaved long before the Democratic Party was formed

 

[Stashman]

They were enslaved long before the Democratic Party was formed

That don't change anything with what I said.

 

[odanny]

Sam Houston, Governor of Texas:

April 19, 1861:

Let me tell you what is coming. After the sacrifice of countless millions of treasure and hundreds of thousands of lives, you may win Southern independence if God be not against you, but I doubt it. I tell you that, while I believe with you in the doctrine of states rights, the North is determined to preserve this Union. They are not a fiery, impulsive people as you are, for they live in colder climates. But when they begin to move in a given direction, they move with the steady momentum and perseverance of a mighty avalanche; and what I fear is, they will overwhelm the South.

He was an opponent of secession.