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I said LEVEL and you respond about the RATE. Do you not know the difference or were you intentionally avoiding the question?Labor force participation is going down, even as a supposed recovery is on. This never happens btw. Instead as people see jobs are more plentiful they are drawn back into the workforce, at first becoming unemployed and then employed.
It is a mark of Obama's total failure in economic policy that people arent seeing job opportunities.
As I already showed, the Labor Force level is increasing. But not steadily, and not as fast as the adult civilian noninstitutional population level, which is why the RATE has been going down. The reason for the gap is that more people do not want or need a job, so not as many are rejoining the labor force. There are many more retired, as well, an they have a large negative impact on the rate.
Employment status of the civilian noninstitutional population, 1944 to date
In 2007, the annual average was 231,867,000 people in the civilian noninstitutional population, 146,047,000 employed (working), 7,078,000 unemployed (looking for work)
At the same time, there were 74,040,000 not working or looking for work who did not want a job, and 4,703,00 who wanted a job.
http://www.bls.gov/cps/aa2007/aat35.txt
So, 63% working 3.1% looking for work, (66% labor force participation) 31.9% did not want a job and 2% wanted a job but not looking.
Annual average for 2014 was population of 247,947,000 population, 146,305,000 employed, 2,237,000 unemployed, 85,702,000 didn't want a job, and 6,323,000 wanted but didn't look.
So 59% employed, 1% unemployed (labor force of 60%) 34.6% didn't want a job, and 2.6% wanted but didn't look.
So the main reason for the drop in the labor force was more people who don't want/need a job.
Repeal all the unfair "free trade " agreements that have allowed cheap goods into this country made with slave labor and put the tariff laws back in place and of course, do away with the foreign owned Federal Reserve central banking system that has been sucking this country dry like a parasite since 1913.we need to get back to 70% of r&d funding coming from the government as we were in the 50's and 60s. We need to reform education and enforce the anti-trust laws.
Lastly, if you care so much about debt we need to end the wars, repeal the tax cuts and fix our healthcare system.
Yes, cutting ourselves off from the rest of the world make us number one for a long time to come. The rest of the world will be so hurt by our actions, lmao! What will happen is that the rest of the world will just pass us by. We are dealing with a world economy now. Those of you who don't want to acknowledge that will only try to doom us with your protectionist ideology.
Retirees not trying to work? High school and college students not trying to work? Stay home spouses? Disabled? How do you think they exist? Not everyone is able to or needs to work, and those are the majority of those not in the labor force. Some people are independently wealthy, and some people are bums or leeches or pot heads etc.pinqy said:You're citing the labor force participation rate: the percent of the adult civilian noninstitutional population that is either employed or unemployed (available and looking for work. The percent working is 59.3%
But you ignored my point that most people not working don't want a job....
Do tell? So how they are existing?
I don't recall mentioning that topic. Could you quote me to refresh my memory?The middle class is collapsing and I don't understand how you can't see that very salient fact.
I only cited facts. So what about those facts are you claiming is untrue?I said LEVEL and you respond about the RATE. Do you not know the difference or were you intentionally avoiding the question?Labor force participation is going down, even as a supposed recovery is on. This never happens btw. Instead as people see jobs are more plentiful they are drawn back into the workforce, at first becoming unemployed and then employed.
It is a mark of Obama's total failure in economic policy that people arent seeing job opportunities.
As I already showed, the Labor Force level is increasing. But not steadily, and not as fast as the adult civilian noninstitutional population level, which is why the RATE has been going down. The reason for the gap is that more people do not want or need a job, so not as many are rejoining the labor force. There are many more retired, as well, an they have a large negative impact on the rate.
Employment status of the civilian noninstitutional population, 1944 to date
In 2007, the annual average was 231,867,000 people in the civilian noninstitutional population, 146,047,000 employed (working), 7,078,000 unemployed (looking for work)
At the same time, there were 74,040,000 not working or looking for work who did not want a job, and 4,703,00 who wanted a job.
http://www.bls.gov/cps/aa2007/aat35.txt
So, 63% working 3.1% looking for work, (66% labor force participation) 31.9% did not want a job and 2% wanted a job but not looking.
Annual average for 2014 was population of 247,947,000 population, 146,305,000 employed, 2,237,000 unemployed, 85,702,000 didn't want a job, and 6,323,000 wanted but didn't look.
So 59% employed, 1% unemployed (labor force of 60%) 34.6% didn't want a job, and 2.6% wanted but didn't look.
So the main reason for the drop in the labor force was more people who don't want/need a job.
That has to be the biggest pile of bullshit ever posted on this message board.
When 19% are part time workers? No, that's not awful I'd prefer better.You can't even address the income disparity for those that are even gainfully employed...you think that 38 percent that make less than 20k a year is a healthy economy?
No, I haven't commented at all on the issue.Retirees not trying to work? High school and college students not trying to work? Stay home spouses? Disabled? How do you think they exist? Not everyone is able to or needs to work, and those are the majority of those not in the labor force. Some people are independently wealthy, and some people are bums or leeches or pot heads etc.pinqy said:You're citing the labor force participation rate: the percent of the adult civilian noninstitutional population that is either employed or unemployed (available and looking for work. The percent working is 59.3%
But you ignored my point that most people not working don't want a job....
Do tell? So how they are existing?
I don't recall mentioning that topic. Could you quote me to refresh my memory?The middle class is collapsing and I don't understand how you can't see that very salient fact.
So you concede that the middle class is being dismantled, no?
sounds 100% stupid an liberal since 330 million Americans are customers every day???because without customers, there is no profit motive.
How soon the Right Wing chooses to forget and rewrite history!
This is what President Obama inherited from eight years of the Bush Administration (though let us not forget two wars and and the worst attack on the Continental United States in our history):
Economy Shed 598,000 Jobs in January
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/07/business/economy/07jobs.html?_r=0
The globalists have intentionally dismantled our manufacturing abilities in order to comply with draconian environmental laws ..
How soon the Right Wing chooses to forget and rewrite history!
This is what President Obama inherited from eight years of the Bush Administration (though let us not forget two wars and and the worst attack on the Continental United States in our history):
Economy Shed 598,000 Jobs in January
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/07/business/economy/07jobs.html?_r=0
so??? with capitalist policies they could have fixed the economy in 6-12 months. Barry is socialist and anti business so he turned it into the worst recovery since Depression which FDR stretched out for 10 years with similiarly anti-business liberal soviet policies
Don't be shy, explain in detail since you lay claim to being an expert on such issues.
Repeal all the unfair "free trade " agreements that have allowed cheap goods into this country made with slave labor and put the tariff laws back in place and of course, do away with the foreign owned Federal Reserve central banking system that has been sucking this country dry like a parasite since 1913.we need to get back to 70% of r&d funding coming from the government as we were in the 50's and 60s. We need to reform education and enforce the anti-trust laws.
Lastly, if you care so much about debt we need to end the wars, repeal the tax cuts and fix our healthcare system.
Yes, cutting ourselves off from the rest of the world make us number one for a long time to come. The rest of the world will be so hurt by our actions, lmao! What will happen is that the rest of the world will just pass us by. We are dealing with a world economy now. Those of you who don't want to acknowledge that will only try to doom us with your protectionist ideology.
So what you are saying is that the flood of cheap goods made by cheap/slave labor into this country with no tariff protection is a good thing? We do not need the "rest of the world" to sustain ourselves and we never have. The globalists have intentionally dismantled our manufacturing abilities in order to comply with draconian environmental laws that have given way to the loss of blue collar jobs that provided a living wage while the countries that don't have to comply are free to do "whatever". You are seriously clueless on how things work.....
PEORIA, Ill., Dec. 4 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- Caterpillar Inc.
(NYSE: CAT) today commended President Bush's decision to lift tariffs on
imported steel.
"With the tariffs in place over the past 19 months, the U.S. steel
industry has taken steps to consolidate and improve its competitiveness,"
Caterpillar Chairman and CEO Glen Barton said. "By making the decision to
lift the tariffs now, President Bush has removed the risk of more than
$2 billion in potential retaliatory actions by the European Union against U.S.
products."
As a leading U.S. exporter, Caterpillar has a long history of advocating
for expanded free trade. The company believes both the U.S. and global
economy will benefit from this decision.
Bush increased the spending. Obama just was never able to cut it back down, in most part due to the downturn in the economy and the need for larger spending on social welfare, which includes unemployment as well as welfare. Despite that, the fact is that Obama has kept spending almost level since he took office.
This is where I have huge problem. GWB last year housing crash caused $786 Tarp in budget. one time charge to be paid back. BHO next year included stimulus and went even higher. From this astronomical rate...........yes, next years held relatively steady. Hardly any accomplishment.
I would think 100's of Billions in immediate cuts are low hanging fruit. $500 bil easy, then take look. they don't even try. They take staff of 500 off to a week in Paris wasting time/money on phony GW. Vacations, Travel of Biden Clinton Kerry Rice (around the world for years).
When running debt.........cut down to bare necessity. Like American families have had to do forever. This waste keeps me against the FED government. It is out and out theft from future generations.
You idiots have been wishing for...er...er... predicting a double dip recession for the last 7 years.And the "recovery" is over. Everything points to recession in the next 9 months.
The GOP planned government shut down just before the election.For instance... what?Everything points to recession in the next 9 months.
NO!It is? Doesn't look that way to me.It looks to me like the labor force has been going up and the unemployment rate has been going down.
Does the scale on the left indicate a net gain of ~3000 total Nationwide jobs since 2011? out of ~160 million workforce? seems a bit light, eh?
Repeal all the unfair "free trade " agreements that have allowed cheap goods into this country made with slave labor and put the tariff laws back in place and of course, do away with the foreign owned Federal Reserve central banking system that has been sucking this country dry like a parasite since 1913.we need to get back to 70% of r&d funding coming from the government as we were in the 50's and 60s. We need to reform education and enforce the anti-trust laws.
Lastly, if you care so much about debt we need to end the wars, repeal the tax cuts and fix our healthcare system.
Yes, cutting ourselves off from the rest of the world make us number one for a long time to come. The rest of the world will be so hurt by our actions, lmao! What will happen is that the rest of the world will just pass us by. We are dealing with a world economy now. Those of you who don't want to acknowledge that will only try to doom us with your protectionist ideology.
So what you are saying is that the flood of cheap goods made by cheap/slave labor into this country with no tariff protection is a good thing? We do not need the "rest of the world" to sustain ourselves and we never have. The globalists have intentionally dismantled our manufacturing abilities in order to comply with draconian environmental laws that have given way to the loss of blue collar jobs that provided a living wage while the countries that don't have to comply are free to do "whatever". You are seriously clueless on how things work.....
There is a very big difference between negotiating good trade deals versus isolating ourselves from the rest of the world. Ask those who work at companies like Caterpillar if they would like to see us put large tariffs on everything coming into this country.
PEORIA, Ill., Dec. 4 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- Caterpillar Inc.
(NYSE: CAT) today commended President Bush's decision to lift tariffs on
imported steel.
"With the tariffs in place over the past 19 months, the U.S. steel
industry has taken steps to consolidate and improve its competitiveness,"
Caterpillar Chairman and CEO Glen Barton said. "By making the decision to
lift the tariffs now, President Bush has removed the risk of more than
$2 billion in potential retaliatory actions by the European Union against U.S.
products."
As a leading U.S. exporter, Caterpillar has a long history of advocating
for expanded free trade. The company believes both the U.S. and global
economy will benefit from this decision.
Caterpillar Inc. Applauds President's Lifting of Steel Tariffs
You have a very different perspective which I see as being completely wrong. As for your assertion that I am clueless, it is obvious that you are not very bright, because you have no idea of the effects of causation. When someone does not agree with you, it does not always make them stupid. Sometimes it just means that you are stupid.
I only cited facts. So what about those facts are you claiming is untrue?I said LEVEL and you respond about the RATE. Do you not know the difference or were you intentionally avoiding the question?Labor force participation is going down, even as a supposed recovery is on. This never happens btw. Instead as people see jobs are more plentiful they are drawn back into the workforce, at first becoming unemployed and then employed.
It is a mark of Obama's total failure in economic policy that people arent seeing job opportunities.
As I already showed, the Labor Force level is increasing. But not steadily, and not as fast as the adult civilian noninstitutional population level, which is why the RATE has been going down. The reason for the gap is that more people do not want or need a job, so not as many are rejoining the labor force. There are many more retired, as well, an they have a large negative impact on the rate.
Employment status of the civilian noninstitutional population, 1944 to date
In 2007, the annual average was 231,867,000 people in the civilian noninstitutional population, 146,047,000 employed (working), 7,078,000 unemployed (looking for work)
At the same time, there were 74,040,000 not working or looking for work who did not want a job, and 4,703,00 who wanted a job.
http://www.bls.gov/cps/aa2007/aat35.txt
So, 63% working 3.1% looking for work, (66% labor force participation) 31.9% did not want a job and 2% wanted a job but not looking.
Annual average for 2014 was population of 247,947,000 population, 146,305,000 employed, 2,237,000 unemployed, 85,702,000 didn't want a job, and 6,323,000 wanted but didn't look.
So 59% employed, 1% unemployed (labor force of 60%) 34.6% didn't want a job, and 2.6% wanted but didn't look.
So the main reason for the drop in the labor force was more people who don't want/need a job.
That has to be the biggest pile of bullshit ever posted on this message board.
When 19% are part time workers? No, that's not awful I'd prefer better.You can't even address the income disparity for those that are even gainfully employed...you think that 38 percent that make less than 20k a year is a healthy economy?
That's just a GOP scripted hate radio LIE, swallowed by people too lazy and stupid to check the facts!Those that are working "part-time" is because of Barrypuppetcare and have to stay under 30 hours.
LOL! Yep, we can simply tax ourselves into prosperity! Just like...uhmmm...well .... like....uhmmmm....When looking at the federal government from a financial perspective, what we must understand is that almost all federal spending goes back into the economy, our economy. Yes, some is wasteful.
Repeal all the unfair "free trade " agreements that have allowed cheap goods into this country made with slave labor and put the tariff laws back in place and of course, do away with the foreign owned Federal Reserve central banking system that has been sucking this country dry like a parasite since 1913.we need to get back to 70% of r&d funding coming from the government as we were in the 50's and 60s. We need to reform education and enforce the anti-trust laws.
Lastly, if you care so much about debt we need to end the wars, repeal the tax cuts and fix our healthcare system.
Yes, cutting ourselves off from the rest of the world make us number one for a long time to come. The rest of the world will be so hurt by our actions, lmao! What will happen is that the rest of the world will just pass us by. We are dealing with a world economy now. Those of you who don't want to acknowledge that will only try to doom us with your protectionist ideology.
So what you are saying is that the flood of cheap goods made by cheap/slave labor into this country with no tariff protection is a good thing? We do not need the "rest of the world" to sustain ourselves and we never have. The globalists have intentionally dismantled our manufacturing abilities in order to comply with draconian environmental laws that have given way to the loss of blue collar jobs that provided a living wage while the countries that don't have to comply are free to do "whatever". You are seriously clueless on how things work.....
There is a very big difference between negotiating good trade deals versus isolating ourselves from the rest of the world. Ask those who work at companies like Caterpillar if they would like to see us put large tariffs on everything coming into this country.
PEORIA, Ill., Dec. 4 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- Caterpillar Inc.
(NYSE: CAT) today commended President Bush's decision to lift tariffs on
imported steel.
"With the tariffs in place over the past 19 months, the U.S. steel
industry has taken steps to consolidate and improve its competitiveness,"
Caterpillar Chairman and CEO Glen Barton said. "By making the decision to
lift the tariffs now, President Bush has removed the risk of more than
$2 billion in potential retaliatory actions by the European Union against U.S.
products."
As a leading U.S. exporter, Caterpillar has a long history of advocating
for expanded free trade. The company believes both the U.S. and global
economy will benefit from this decision.
Caterpillar Inc. Applauds President's Lifting of Steel Tariffs
You have a very different perspective which I see as being completely wrong. As for your assertion that I am clueless, it is obvious that you are not very bright, because you have no idea of the effects of causation. When someone does not agree with you, it does not always make them stupid. Sometimes it just means that you are stupid.
That's just a GOP scripted hate radio LIE, swallowed by people too lazy and stupid to check the facts!Those that are working "part-time" is because of Barrypuppetcare and have to stay under 30 hours.
When the ACA was passed there were 9,233,000 working PT who wanted FT work, there are 6,086,000 now, a DECLINE of over 3 million.
The vast majority of people working PT are working PT because they ONLY want to work PT.
