We don't need the wall. México vows to stop flow of immigrants

[Siete]

We don't need the wall. México vows to stop flow of immigrants



what wall ?

never was going to be a damn wall.

 

[Porter Rockwell]

An unintended consequence of the agreement between Mexico and Donald Trump to deploy National Guard Mexicans on the border with Central America, is that there is no argument from for the wall now.

Unless of course, Mexico played Trump like Kim Jong Un did.
If you are a conservative who still wants the wall, then you are admitting that Mexican forces cannot stop the flow of immigrants.

The fact that most people do not understand they are being played by Trump is amazing. You think Trump is smart and then lets himself get played by Kim Jong Un OR is it more likely that birds of a feather flock together?

Trump does not want a wall and the wall will not be completed. The wall could not overcome all the legal challenges by environmental groups, property owners, state and local governments, etc., get financed, and be built even if Trump gets another term.

A Democrat comes behind Trump as president and undoes what he accomplished. Meanwhile, foreigners continue to come in because the American people have been hoodwinked and do not have a realistic plan to address the situation - they don't even have a Plan B.

 

[Porter Rockwell]

Trump gave Mexico 90 days to stem the flow of migrants. So this is a reprieve not a victory. The wall is still needed and is still being built.

So is Trump's agreement with Mexico something or not? If it is the great success he claims, and Mexico will stop all those refugees from coming here, there isn't much need for a wall.

Of course there is a need. When a Democrat gets in power they will neither enforce the agreement nor stop the flow of illegal immigrants. A wall will at least force an open border liberal to be honest with the American people as to their real agenda. They would have to either tear down the wall, which they won't or to literally open the doors. This is the REAL reason Democrats don't want a wall in the first place. It severely hampers their open borders policy.

Who do you think wanted the wall in the first place?

 

[depotoo]

I wonder if agreement was made that Mexico will now halt mile long freight trains with 10000 border jumpers on top afore they get too close to our border?

It's Begun: Mexican Military Begins Arresting Migrants Riding Train to US Border

Thanks. There goes the Wall.

Only in your dreams

Are you saying..Trump's deal was caca?

Surely you don’t want to show you might be less than honest, now, Centrista, because we both know that the deal will still not possibly stop all illegal crossing. It is one tier of a multifaceted solution.

 

[Porter Rockwell]

Yep. That's nuts.

It's "nuts" that Democrats want open borders? Walls work, proven fact. Democrats can change any law or turn off any survellience, but a wall is much more difficult to render useless. They know this, thus why they fight so hard against it.

Well, no. A wall covering that distance will never work.

A wall protecting all but the most difficult terrain so border patrol could concentrate most of their resources on those areas that are not protected. The parts with a wall would require much less monitoring, freeing up resources.

But why do we need resources? The Central Americans are going to stop coming, remember?

It’s so damn bizarre that our resident wetback lovers refuse to wrap their heads around border security being multi layered and multi faceted.
They come up with all sorts of weird bullshit and it always translates to the same old Twilight Zone type shit.
“I hate international security...I love my pet human wetbacks....We won’t ever let you stop our wetbacks from fucking you over.”

What is REALLY bizarre is that the wallists think that they can build a government big enough to protect them from themselves. Some days it appears to me that I'm the only constitutionalist on this board.

The wall is not the only issue; the rest of the story is the Rights you put into jeopardy with the wall.

 

[BrokeLoser]

It's "nuts" that Democrats want open borders? Walls work, proven fact. Democrats can change any law or turn off any survellience, but a wall is much more difficult to render useless. They know this, thus why they fight so hard against it.

Well, no. A wall covering that distance will never work.

A wall protecting all but the most difficult terrain so border patrol could concentrate most of their resources on those areas that are not protected. The parts with a wall would require much less monitoring, freeing up resources.

But why do we need resources? The Central Americans are going to stop coming, remember?

It’s so damn bizarre that our resident wetback lovers refuse to wrap their heads around border security being multi layered and multi faceted.
They come up with all sorts of weird bullshit and it always translates to the same old Twilight Zone type shit.
“I hate international security...I love my pet human wetbacks....We won’t ever let you stop our wetbacks from fucking you over.”

What is REALLY bizarre is that the wallists think that they can build a government big enough to protect them from themselves. Some days it appears to me that I'm the only constitutionalist on this board.

The wall is not the only issue; the rest of the story is the Rights you put into jeopardy with the wall.

Now that is a new, super cool spin....Tell us more...tell us how a wall = loss of liberty.
You self proclaimed constitutionalists are awesome, don't get me wrong...but the Little House On The Prairie days of America have come and gone. The quality of our people has slid into the shitter and as much as I hate to say it, a sizable government is required to keep the subhumans in check and to maintain a civilized, first world society.

 

[Porter Rockwell]

Well, no. A wall covering that distance will never work.

A wall protecting all but the most difficult terrain so border patrol could concentrate most of their resources on those areas that are not protected. The parts with a wall would require much less monitoring, freeing up resources.

But why do we need resources? The Central Americans are going to stop coming, remember?

It’s so damn bizarre that our resident wetback lovers refuse to wrap their heads around border security being multi layered and multi faceted.
They come up with all sorts of weird bullshit and it always translates to the same old Twilight Zone type shit.
“I hate international security...I love my pet human wetbacks....We won’t ever let you stop our wetbacks from fucking you over.”

What is REALLY bizarre is that the wallists think that they can build a government big enough to protect them from themselves. Some days it appears to me that I'm the only constitutionalist on this board.

The wall is not the only issue; the rest of the story is the Rights you put into jeopardy with the wall.

Now that is a new, super cool spin....Tell us more...tell us how a wall = loss of liberty.
You self proclaimed constitutionalists are awesome, don't get me wrong...but the Little House On The Prairie days of America have come and gone. The quality of our people has slid into the shitter and as much as I hate to say it, a sizable government is required to keep the subhumans in check and to maintain a civilized, first world society.

You pretend to be so academically superior yet you were too lazy to read this thread before saying really stupid stuff. Okay, for those who are either dishonest OR simply engaging in mental midgetry, let us review the waste and loss of Liberties associated with the nutty wall idea:

1) The creation of the Department of Homeland (IN) Security

2) Passage of the so - called "Patriot Act"

3) Passage of the Hitler style National ID / REAL ID Act - E Verify system - that alone locked MILLIONS of Americans out of a job and gutted the progress that had been by patriots eliminating the IRS, the income tax, etc.

4) The expansion of the enforcement of the Constitution Free Zone

5) The expansion of warrant less search and seizure laws

6) The end of the presumption of innocence / innocent until proven guilty

7) Assaults on private property - i.e. FORCING private employers to hire certain classes of people and limiting private property Rights by allowing the courts to put the foreigners "civil rights" above Americans private property Rights

8) The expansion of a government with the ability to trace, track, and monitor the citizens movements 24 / 7 / 365. This negates the possibility of a civilian militia arising to quell a tyrannical government when it becomes unbearable

9) Wallist theology requires that all groups and classes of people be labeled and monitored. That will prove to be counterproductive when you are the hunted class

10) The wall created the atmosphere of a society that must submit to the pee test, blood test, hair sample, criminal background check, MVR check, credit check, NCIS check, the check on social media accounts, driver's license, occupation license, insurance checks, fishing license, weapons license, and proof of National ID Card / Socialist Surveillance Number ooops... "Social Security Number."

There is the top ten and with that, there cannot be a movement that starts at a grass roots level and defends your Liberties. You gave them away. ALL of the things on that list were done by wallists and / or Tea Party Republicans. You spent over $2 TRILLION DOLLARS of tax money and not a damn thing to show for it and now you want a wall??? The reality is, what you've accomplished thus far has been used against Americans many many more times than foreigners.

HELL NO! WE DON'T NEED NO STINKING WALL

 

[hunarcy]

A wall protecting all but the most difficult terrain so border patrol could concentrate most of their resources on those areas that are not protected. The parts with a wall would require much less monitoring, freeing up resources.

But why do we need resources? The Central Americans are going to stop coming, remember?

It’s so damn bizarre that our resident wetback lovers refuse to wrap their heads around border security being multi layered and multi faceted.
They come up with all sorts of weird bullshit and it always translates to the same old Twilight Zone type shit.
“I hate international security...I love my pet human wetbacks....We won’t ever let you stop our wetbacks from fucking you over.”

What is REALLY bizarre is that the wallists think that they can build a government big enough to protect them from themselves. Some days it appears to me that I'm the only constitutionalist on this board.

The wall is not the only issue; the rest of the story is the Rights you put into jeopardy with the wall.

Now that is a new, super cool spin....Tell us more...tell us how a wall = loss of liberty.
You self proclaimed constitutionalists are awesome, don't get me wrong...but the Little House On The Prairie days of America have come and gone. The quality of our people has slid into the shitter and as much as I hate to say it, a sizable government is required to keep the subhumans in check and to maintain a civilized, first world society.

You pretend to be so academically superior yet you were too lazy to read this thread before saying really stupid stuff. Okay, for those who are either dishonest OR simply engaging in mental midgetry, let us review the waste and loss of Liberties associated with the nutty wall idea:

1) The creation of the Department of Homeland (IN) Security

2) Passage of the so - called "Patriot Act"

3) Passage of the Hitler style National ID / REAL ID Act - E Verify system - that alone locked MILLIONS of Americans out of a job and gutted the progress that had been by patriots eliminating the IRS, the income tax, etc.

4) The expansion of the enforcement of the Constitution Free Zone

5) The expansion of warrant less search and seizure laws

6) The end of the presumption of innocence / innocent until proven guilty

7) Assaults on private property - i.e. FORCING private employers to hire certain classes of people and limiting private property Rights by allowing the courts to put the foreigners "civil rights" above Americans private property Rights

8) The expansion of a government with the ability to trace, track, and monitor the citizens movements 24 / 7 / 365. This negates the possibility of a civilian militia arising to quell a tyrannical government when it becomes unbearable

9) Wallist theology requires that all groups and classes of people be labeled and monitored. That will prove to be counterproductive when you are the hunted class

10) The wall created the atmosphere of a society that must submit to the pee test, blood test, hair sample, criminal background check, MVR check, credit check, NCIS check, the check on social media accounts, driver's license, occupation license, insurance checks, fishing license, weapons license, and proof of National ID Card / Socialist Surveillance Number ooops... "Social Security Number."

There is the top ten and with that, there cannot be a movement that starts at a grass roots level and defends your Liberties. You gave them away. ALL of the things on that list were done by wallists and / or Tea Party Republicans. You spent over $2 TRILLION DOLLARS of tax money and not a damn thing to show for it and now you want a wall??? The reality is, what you've accomplished thus far has been used against Americans many many more times than foreigners.

HELL NO! WE DON'T NEED NO STINKING WALL

Not ONE of those in the list of 10 is related to the wall. It is just a list of grievances that you think you can use to slur people who support the idea of building a wall. Frankly, I think your list shows you to be a paranoid buffoon who really isn't worth reading. Bye.

 

[LilOlLady]

LMFAO

 

[Correll]

An unintended consequence of the agreement between Mexico and Donald Trump to deploy National Guard Mexicans on the border with Central America, is that there is no argument from for the wall now.

Unless of course, Mexico played Trump like Kim Jong Un did.
If you are a conservative who still wants the wall, then you are admitting that Mexican forces cannot stop the flow of immigrants.

What a load of crap.


Will you admit that you want to see America continue to be flooded with illegals?

 

[Porter Rockwell]

But why do we need resources? The Central Americans are going to stop coming, remember?

It’s so damn bizarre that our resident wetback lovers refuse to wrap their heads around border security being multi layered and multi faceted.
They come up with all sorts of weird bullshit and it always translates to the same old Twilight Zone type shit.
“I hate international security...I love my pet human wetbacks....We won’t ever let you stop our wetbacks from fucking you over.”

What is REALLY bizarre is that the wallists think that they can build a government big enough to protect them from themselves. Some days it appears to me that I'm the only constitutionalist on this board.

The wall is not the only issue; the rest of the story is the Rights you put into jeopardy with the wall.

Now that is a new, super cool spin....Tell us more...tell us how a wall = loss of liberty.
You self proclaimed constitutionalists are awesome, don't get me wrong...but the Little House On The Prairie days of America have come and gone. The quality of our people has slid into the shitter and as much as I hate to say it, a sizable government is required to keep the subhumans in check and to maintain a civilized, first world society.

You pretend to be so academically superior yet you were too lazy to read this thread before saying really stupid stuff. Okay, for those who are either dishonest OR simply engaging in mental midgetry, let us review the waste and loss of Liberties associated with the nutty wall idea:

1) The creation of the Department of Homeland (IN) Security

2) Passage of the so - called "Patriot Act"

3) Passage of the Hitler style National ID / REAL ID Act - E Verify system - that alone locked MILLIONS of Americans out of a job and gutted the progress that had been by patriots eliminating the IRS, the income tax, etc.

4) The expansion of the enforcement of the Constitution Free Zone

5) The expansion of warrant less search and seizure laws

6) The end of the presumption of innocence / innocent until proven guilty

7) Assaults on private property - i.e. FORCING private employers to hire certain classes of people and limiting private property Rights by allowing the courts to put the foreigners "civil rights" above Americans private property Rights

8) The expansion of a government with the ability to trace, track, and monitor the citizens movements 24 / 7 / 365. This negates the possibility of a civilian militia arising to quell a tyrannical government when it becomes unbearable

9) Wallist theology requires that all groups and classes of people be labeled and monitored. That will prove to be counterproductive when you are the hunted class

10) The wall created the atmosphere of a society that must submit to the pee test, blood test, hair sample, criminal background check, MVR check, credit check, NCIS check, the check on social media accounts, driver's license, occupation license, insurance checks, fishing license, weapons license, and proof of National ID Card / Socialist Surveillance Number ooops... "Social Security Number."

There is the top ten and with that, there cannot be a movement that starts at a grass roots level and defends your Liberties. You gave them away. ALL of the things on that list were done by wallists and / or Tea Party Republicans. You spent over $2 TRILLION DOLLARS of tax money and not a damn thing to show for it and now you want a wall??? The reality is, what you've accomplished thus far has been used against Americans many many more times than foreigners.

HELL NO! WE DON'T NEED NO STINKING WALL

Not ONE of those in the list of 10 is related to the wall. It is just a list of grievances that you think you can use to slur people who support the idea of building a wall. Frankly, I think your list shows you to be a paranoid buffoon who really isn't worth reading. Bye.

Every one of them has been used in courts to justify the enforcement of the wall and / or some issue related to border security. Without such laws the right has argued, the wall would be unenforceable. ALL of those measures were introduced and / or initiated by in some way by the wallists. It will eventually mean that once the left has you hemmed in with technical court losses, you will have forever, screwed future generations from having the tools to fight back.

 

[Porter Rockwell]

Trump gave Mexico 90 days to stem the flow of migrants. So this is a reprieve not a victory. The wall is still needed and is still being built.

You don't get out much do you?

 

[Yarddog]

An unintended consequence of the agreement between Mexico and Donald Trump to deploy National Guard Mexicans on the border with Central America, is that there is no argument from for the wall now.

Unless of course, Mexico played Trump like Kim Jong Un did.
If you are a conservative who still wants the wall, then you are admitting that Mexican forces cannot stop the flow of immigrants.

You seem to be always missing the point. So close a handgrende could do damage but never on target.

There is still the drugs in Mexico that make their way here. There is still human trafficking from Mexico. There are still those that think that Dems will give them free things in Mexico. Mexico only said they would stop caravans coming north. They never said anything about those that were already in Mexico nor did they promise to stop small groups that snuck into Mexico.

But why worry? Dems will always make sure you have enough illegals to exploit. In fact your Gardner and maid are probably here already being paid far less then minimum wage. The drugs you crave are never going to be stopped. The gangs you hope for will still be here selling the children you have an appetite for. If they are not foreign children does it really matter?

They have been told this a thousand times, but don't care about the damage done to lives. Kind of makes you wonder if some of these posters aren't Mexican Cartel members or just really that retarded.

 

[hunarcy]

It’s so damn bizarre that our resident wetback lovers refuse to wrap their heads around border security being multi layered and multi faceted.
They come up with all sorts of weird bullshit and it always translates to the same old Twilight Zone type shit.
“I hate international security...I love my pet human wetbacks....We won’t ever let you stop our wetbacks from fucking you over.”

What is REALLY bizarre is that the wallists think that they can build a government big enough to protect them from themselves. Some days it appears to me that I'm the only constitutionalist on this board.

The wall is not the only issue; the rest of the story is the Rights you put into jeopardy with the wall.

Now that is a new, super cool spin....Tell us more...tell us how a wall = loss of liberty.
You self proclaimed constitutionalists are awesome, don't get me wrong...but the Little House On The Prairie days of America have come and gone. The quality of our people has slid into the shitter and as much as I hate to say it, a sizable government is required to keep the subhumans in check and to maintain a civilized, first world society.

You pretend to be so academically superior yet you were too lazy to read this thread before saying really stupid stuff. Okay, for those who are either dishonest OR simply engaging in mental midgetry, let us review the waste and loss of Liberties associated with the nutty wall idea:

1) The creation of the Department of Homeland (IN) Security

2) Passage of the so - called "Patriot Act"

3) Passage of the Hitler style National ID / REAL ID Act - E Verify system - that alone locked MILLIONS of Americans out of a job and gutted the progress that had been by patriots eliminating the IRS, the income tax, etc.

4) The expansion of the enforcement of the Constitution Free Zone

5) The expansion of warrant less search and seizure laws

6) The end of the presumption of innocence / innocent until proven guilty

7) Assaults on private property - i.e. FORCING private employers to hire certain classes of people and limiting private property Rights by allowing the courts to put the foreigners "civil rights" above Americans private property Rights

8) The expansion of a government with the ability to trace, track, and monitor the citizens movements 24 / 7 / 365. This negates the possibility of a civilian militia arising to quell a tyrannical government when it becomes unbearable

9) Wallist theology requires that all groups and classes of people be labeled and monitored. That will prove to be counterproductive when you are the hunted class

10) The wall created the atmosphere of a society that must submit to the pee test, blood test, hair sample, criminal background check, MVR check, credit check, NCIS check, the check on social media accounts, driver's license, occupation license, insurance checks, fishing license, weapons license, and proof of National ID Card / Socialist Surveillance Number ooops... "Social Security Number."

There is the top ten and with that, there cannot be a movement that starts at a grass roots level and defends your Liberties. You gave them away. ALL of the things on that list were done by wallists and / or Tea Party Republicans. You spent over $2 TRILLION DOLLARS of tax money and not a damn thing to show for it and now you want a wall??? The reality is, what you've accomplished thus far has been used against Americans many many more times than foreigners.

HELL NO! WE DON'T NEED NO STINKING WALL

Not ONE of those in the list of 10 is related to the wall. It is just a list of grievances that you think you can use to slur people who support the idea of building a wall. Frankly, I think your list shows you to be a paranoid buffoon who really isn't worth reading. Bye.

Every one of them has been used in courts to justify the enforcement of the wall and / or some issue related to border security. Without such laws the right has argued, the wall would be unenforceable. ALL of those measures were introduced and / or initiated by in some way by the wallists. It will eventually mean that once the left has you hemmed in with technical court losses, you will have forever, screwed future generations from having the tools to fight back.

*yawn*

 

[Porter Rockwell]

What is REALLY bizarre is that the wallists think that they can build a government big enough to protect them from themselves. Some days it appears to me that I'm the only constitutionalist on this board.

The wall is not the only issue; the rest of the story is the Rights you put into jeopardy with the wall.

Now that is a new, super cool spin....Tell us more...tell us how a wall = loss of liberty.
You self proclaimed constitutionalists are awesome, don't get me wrong...but the Little House On The Prairie days of America have come and gone. The quality of our people has slid into the shitter and as much as I hate to say it, a sizable government is required to keep the subhumans in check and to maintain a civilized, first world society.

You pretend to be so academically superior yet you were too lazy to read this thread before saying really stupid stuff. Okay, for those who are either dishonest OR simply engaging in mental midgetry, let us review the waste and loss of Liberties associated with the nutty wall idea:

1) The creation of the Department of Homeland (IN) Security

2) Passage of the so - called "Patriot Act"

3) Passage of the Hitler style National ID / REAL ID Act - E Verify system - that alone locked MILLIONS of Americans out of a job and gutted the progress that had been by patriots eliminating the IRS, the income tax, etc.

4) The expansion of the enforcement of the Constitution Free Zone

5) The expansion of warrant less search and seizure laws

6) The end of the presumption of innocence / innocent until proven guilty

7) Assaults on private property - i.e. FORCING private employers to hire certain classes of people and limiting private property Rights by allowing the courts to put the foreigners "civil rights" above Americans private property Rights

8) The expansion of a government with the ability to trace, track, and monitor the citizens movements 24 / 7 / 365. This negates the possibility of a civilian militia arising to quell a tyrannical government when it becomes unbearable

9) Wallist theology requires that all groups and classes of people be labeled and monitored. That will prove to be counterproductive when you are the hunted class

10) The wall created the atmosphere of a society that must submit to the pee test, blood test, hair sample, criminal background check, MVR check, credit check, NCIS check, the check on social media accounts, driver's license, occupation license, insurance checks, fishing license, weapons license, and proof of National ID Card / Socialist Surveillance Number ooops... "Social Security Number."

There is the top ten and with that, there cannot be a movement that starts at a grass roots level and defends your Liberties. You gave them away. ALL of the things on that list were done by wallists and / or Tea Party Republicans. You spent over $2 TRILLION DOLLARS of tax money and not a damn thing to show for it and now you want a wall??? The reality is, what you've accomplished thus far has been used against Americans many many more times than foreigners.

HELL NO! WE DON'T NEED NO STINKING WALL

Not ONE of those in the list of 10 is related to the wall. It is just a list of grievances that you think you can use to slur people who support the idea of building a wall. Frankly, I think your list shows you to be a paranoid buffoon who really isn't worth reading. Bye.

Every one of them has been used in courts to justify the enforcement of the wall and / or some issue related to border security. Without such laws the right has argued, the wall would be unenforceable. ALL of those measures were introduced and / or initiated by in some way by the wallists. It will eventually mean that once the left has you hemmed in with technical court losses, you will have forever, screwed future generations from having the tools to fight back.

*yawn*

That's a nice deflection in order to hide from the truth. The reality remains: More Americans have been negatively affected by the anti - immigrant lives put into place on the pretext of saving us from so - called "illegals" than all the foreigners combined.

 

[BrokeLoser]

A wall protecting all but the most difficult terrain so border patrol could concentrate most of their resources on those areas that are not protected. The parts with a wall would require much less monitoring, freeing up resources.

But why do we need resources? The Central Americans are going to stop coming, remember?

It’s so damn bizarre that our resident wetback lovers refuse to wrap their heads around border security being multi layered and multi faceted.
They come up with all sorts of weird bullshit and it always translates to the same old Twilight Zone type shit.
“I hate international security...I love my pet human wetbacks....We won’t ever let you stop our wetbacks from fucking you over.”

What is REALLY bizarre is that the wallists think that they can build a government big enough to protect them from themselves. Some days it appears to me that I'm the only constitutionalist on this board.

The wall is not the only issue; the rest of the story is the Rights you put into jeopardy with the wall.

Now that is a new, super cool spin....Tell us more...tell us how a wall = loss of liberty.
You self proclaimed constitutionalists are awesome, don't get me wrong...but the Little House On The Prairie days of America have come and gone. The quality of our people has slid into the shitter and as much as I hate to say it, a sizable government is required to keep the subhumans in check and to maintain a civilized, first world society.

You pretend to be so academically superior yet you were too lazy to read this thread before saying really stupid stuff. Okay, for those who are either dishonest OR simply engaging in mental midgetry, let us review the waste and loss of Liberties associated with the nutty wall idea:

1) The creation of the Department of Homeland (IN) Security

2) Passage of the so - called "Patriot Act"

3) Passage of the Hitler style National ID / REAL ID Act - E Verify system - that alone locked MILLIONS of Americans out of a job and gutted the progress that had been by patriots eliminating the IRS, the income tax, etc.

4) The expansion of the enforcement of the Constitution Free Zone

5) The expansion of warrant less search and seizure laws

6) The end of the presumption of innocence / innocent until proven guilty

7) Assaults on private property - i.e. FORCING private employers to hire certain classes of people and limiting private property Rights by allowing the courts to put the foreigners "civil rights" above Americans private property Rights

8) The expansion of a government with the ability to trace, track, and monitor the citizens movements 24 / 7 / 365. This negates the possibility of a civilian militia arising to quell a tyrannical government when it becomes unbearable

9) Wallist theology requires that all groups and classes of people be labeled and monitored. That will prove to be counterproductive when you are the hunted class

10) The wall created the atmosphere of a society that must submit to the pee test, blood test, hair sample, criminal background check, MVR check, credit check, NCIS check, the check on social media accounts, driver's license, occupation license, insurance checks, fishing license, weapons license, and proof of National ID Card / Socialist Surveillance Number ooops... "Social Security Number."

There is the top ten and with that, there cannot be a movement that starts at a grass roots level and defends your Liberties. You gave them away. ALL of the things on that list were done by wallists and / or Tea Party Republicans. You spent over $2 TRILLION DOLLARS of tax money and not a damn thing to show for it and now you want a wall??? The reality is, what you've accomplished thus far has been used against Americans many many more times than foreigners.

HELL NO! WE DON'T NEED NO STINKING WALL

HAHAHA....dude, seek help fast, you have completely lost all your shit...You’ve watched one too many Michael Moore flicks.

 

[Porter Rockwell]

But why do we need resources? The Central Americans are going to stop coming, remember?

It’s so damn bizarre that our resident wetback lovers refuse to wrap their heads around border security being multi layered and multi faceted.
They come up with all sorts of weird bullshit and it always translates to the same old Twilight Zone type shit.
“I hate international security...I love my pet human wetbacks....We won’t ever let you stop our wetbacks from fucking you over.”

What is REALLY bizarre is that the wallists think that they can build a government big enough to protect them from themselves. Some days it appears to me that I'm the only constitutionalist on this board.

The wall is not the only issue; the rest of the story is the Rights you put into jeopardy with the wall.

Now that is a new, super cool spin....Tell us more...tell us how a wall = loss of liberty.
You self proclaimed constitutionalists are awesome, don't get me wrong...but the Little House On The Prairie days of America have come and gone. The quality of our people has slid into the shitter and as much as I hate to say it, a sizable government is required to keep the subhumans in check and to maintain a civilized, first world society.

You pretend to be so academically superior yet you were too lazy to read this thread before saying really stupid stuff. Okay, for those who are either dishonest OR simply engaging in mental midgetry, let us review the waste and loss of Liberties associated with the nutty wall idea:

1) The creation of the Department of Homeland (IN) Security

2) Passage of the so - called "Patriot Act"

3) Passage of the Hitler style National ID / REAL ID Act - E Verify system - that alone locked MILLIONS of Americans out of a job and gutted the progress that had been by patriots eliminating the IRS, the income tax, etc.

4) The expansion of the enforcement of the Constitution Free Zone

5) The expansion of warrant less search and seizure laws

6) The end of the presumption of innocence / innocent until proven guilty

7) Assaults on private property - i.e. FORCING private employers to hire certain classes of people and limiting private property Rights by allowing the courts to put the foreigners "civil rights" above Americans private property Rights

8) The expansion of a government with the ability to trace, track, and monitor the citizens movements 24 / 7 / 365. This negates the possibility of a civilian militia arising to quell a tyrannical government when it becomes unbearable

9) Wallist theology requires that all groups and classes of people be labeled and monitored. That will prove to be counterproductive when you are the hunted class

10) The wall created the atmosphere of a society that must submit to the pee test, blood test, hair sample, criminal background check, MVR check, credit check, NCIS check, the check on social media accounts, driver's license, occupation license, insurance checks, fishing license, weapons license, and proof of National ID Card / Socialist Surveillance Number ooops... "Social Security Number."

There is the top ten and with that, there cannot be a movement that starts at a grass roots level and defends your Liberties. You gave them away. ALL of the things on that list were done by wallists and / or Tea Party Republicans. You spent over $2 TRILLION DOLLARS of tax money and not a damn thing to show for it and now you want a wall??? The reality is, what you've accomplished thus far has been used against Americans many many more times than foreigners.

HELL NO! WE DON'T NEED NO STINKING WALL

HAHAHA....dude, seek help fast, you have completely lost all your shit...You’ve watched one too many Michael Moore flicks.

You have serious emotional issues going on. Perhaps you should join a group and figure out why you don't belong on a discussion board.

When you wallists cannot address the substantive facts that pertain to the subject, you falsely accuse everyone who is against the wall of being a liberal. The fact is the Nazis and then liberals invented the wall argument. Looking back at conservatism, I don't quite understand why, what I thought, were reasonably educated people allowed themselves to be duped so easily. For example, watch these two contrasting videos about the same subject:





How did the right and the left change sides? OR did they? The left, since biblical times has been masterful at conning good people into doing stupid things.

"Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves." Matthew 23: 15

Do we have an issue with foreigners flooding this country? Yes. Will a wall solve the problem? No, the wall will bring tyranny, repression of the citizenry, and a totalitarian government to save us from own actions. Most wallists will commit suicide when they find out how life AFTER Trump is going to be.

 

[AZGAL]

Believing Mexico is like being naïve. Mexico promises...Mexico awards...Mexico recommends...yeah right.

 

[Dan Stubbs]

An unintended consequence of the agreement between Mexico and Donald Trump to deploy National Guard Mexicans on the border with Central America, is that there is no argument from for the wall now.

Unless of course, Mexico played Trump like Kim Jong Un did.
If you are a conservative who still wants the wall, then you are admitting that Mexican forces cannot stop the flow of immigrants.

Mexico just started up a Unit they call the National Guard so I guess this will be their first assignment. They can do it. After all it effects the Jobs that Mexican do in the USA. It does seem most illegals are not Mexicans.

 

[NoVote]

Trump was just giving them enough rope. What's wrong with your cognitive thinking?

And as of this afternoon, (Saturday) Mexico seems to be renegging. Imagine that.