We Could Have Been Compassionate

[Unkotare]

Failed analogy.

Right over your head

Failed analogy.

Other kids used to make fun of you in school....didn't they?

Nope. Thanks for asking.

They had to explain jokes to you didn't they?

Whoosh...right over your head

Nope. Thanks for asking.

 

[flacaltenn]

What a ridiculous troll thread

She's not a troll, she's an 'intellectual' trying to make a name for herself, to sell her book. She's probably taking notes for her next one about combating internet racism or some shit...

Indeed. Also her presence here is of questionable legality, in so far as board rules go. Being that she has published works easily discovered through Google under the same screen name she uses here. As such she is a "public figure" of sorts. Nonetheless, one poster already received a ban by referencing said published, common knowledge. That coupled with her known motive of profiteering; make her eligibilty to be a member here under her current screen name questionable at best...

Mod Note:

USMB Staff has never had a problem with "public authors". As long as they participate as members, they are perfectly free to quote out their blogs and books. Of course, it has to be "on topic" and by the rules. Not just token links to their websites. And it needs to lack any commercial attempt to sell or drive traffic to their web locations.

It's really a matter of effort to discuss. And this case has been reviewed and cleared long ago. If you have questions about this -- contact your favorite moderator..

 

[flacaltenn]

What a ridiculous troll thread

She's not a troll, she's an 'intellectual' trying to make a name for herself, to sell her book. She's probably taking notes for her next one about combating internet racism or some shit...

Ideed. Also her presence here is of questionable legality, in so far as board rules go. Being that she has published works easily discovered through Google under the same screen name she uses here. As such she is a "public figure" of sorts. Nonetheless, one poster already received a ban by referencing said published, common knowledge. That coupled with her known motive of profiteering; make her eligibilty to be a member here under her current screen name questionable at best...

It's really no different than how some folks on here break rules daily yet never see the banhammer...

You VOLUNTEERING here?

 

[flacaltenn]

There is an old saying...

Give a man a fish and he will eat for a day
Teach a man to fish and he will eat for a lifetime

But what happens when the pond no longer has any fish in it?

That is what happened in our inner cities. People may know how to fish.....but there are no fish to be caught

Exactly bro. The one question on Race that dared not be asked. WHY STAY? The local govt is yours AND STILL abuses you. The cost of living there is OUTRAGEOUS compared to the bigger US. And the dangers and the roadblocks to generational advancement are HUGE.

 

[impuretrash]

Exactly bro. The one question on Race that dared not be asked. WHY STAY? The local govt is yours AND STILL abuses you. The cost of living there is OUTRAGEOUS compared to the bigger US. And the dangers and the roadblocks to generational advancement are HUGE.

I would immigrate to Russia, if they'd have me. Sanctions actually protected that country from cancerous political marxism that's turned the west into a shitshow.

 

[flacaltenn]

The economic collapse of inner-city black communities COULD have inspired a national outpouring of compassion and support. A new War of Poverty COULD have been launched. Economic stimulus packages COULD have sailed through Congress to bail out those trapped in jobless ghettos through no fault of their own. Education, job training, public transportation, and relocation assistance COULD have been provided, so that youth of color would have been able to survive the rough transition to a new global economy and secure jobs in distant suburbs. Constructive interventions would have been good not only for African Americans trapped in ghettos, but also for blue-collar workers of all colors, many of whom were suffering too, if less severely. A wave of compassion and concern COULD have flooded poor and working-class communities. All of this could have happened, but it didn’t. Instead, we declared a War on Drugs.

I'm certainly not a fan of the War on Drugs and ALL the Civil Liberty issues that came with that. Been working in the Libertarian Party for 2 decades on changing the focus of that "war" and fixing the asset forfeiture, plea dealings and basic justice system reforms.

The reforms needed are a "customer service" approach to interactions with justice system. Models that work for mid and upper economic areas -- fail badly and CONSISTENTLY in the inner cities and communities on the edge of economic survival..

You're certainly on the right track about loss of manufacturing, economic upset. But that's a SYSTEMIC problem, not a "Black" problem. The very nature of a job has changed. The Industrial Revolution is over. And the jobs of the 21st century don't focus on "production" and mass scale manufacturing. It is the realm of entrepreneurs and inventors and folks who serve the "niche markets" that have been TOO SMALL for the big corporations. But NOT too small to make a VERY good living serving customized and lower volume products and applications.

No amount of "check writing" is gonna fix that. Not without a seed change in achieving the tools of survival for the next century. Moving to the suburbs might not enhance the chance of success. But moving OUT of the urban plantations might. Because the cost of living there is too high, the dangers are many and the big elder cities are not stable or friendly to the economically disadvantaged.

Today, a person can for $1000 have the power of "production" on their desk that only Fortune 500 companies had in the 70s and 80s. A youth can have a complete recording studio/publishing studio in a small space. Or someone else can buy a 3D material printer for the same amount and go after personalized, custom pieces of stuff that people will buy.. The opportunities are only bounded by understanding what people NEED and WANT.

It's a long haul from the "inner city" experience. That's why I claim there needs to be an exodus and maybe a little "wandering in the desert for 40 years" before any promise is fulfilled. And you need more excitement for learning how things work to be an entrenpreneur and survive. Some of that CAN'T be taught in a typical public school, no matter HOW MUCH money is expended. It's MENTORSHIP and environment.

Change of scenery. Change of "values".

 

[rightwinger]

There is an old saying...

Give a man a fish and he will eat for a day
Teach a man to fish and he will eat for a lifetime

But what happens when the pond no longer has any fish in it?

That is what happened in our inner cities. People may know how to fish.....but there are no fish to be caught

Exactly bro. The one question on Race that dared not be asked. WHY STAY? The local govt is yours AND STILL abuses you. The cost of living there is OUTRAGEOUS compared to the bigger US. And the dangers and the roadblocks to generational advancement are HUGE.

Good question
Why aren't the poor as mobile as the middle class and wealthy when the jobs dry up?
Probably multiple reasons, most relating to lack of money and poor credit

 

[gallantwarrior]

There is an old saying...

Give a man a fish and he will eat for a day
Teach a man to fish and he will eat for a lifetime

But what happens when the pond no longer has any fish in it?

That is what happened in our inner cities. People may know how to fish.....but there are no fish to be caught

Nah, you can't fool me...your inner city "fishermen" don't even recognize that meat comes from something other than a Styrofoam packages and will argue that milk comes from anything other than cartons in the supermarket, or that almonds and soy beans produce "milk". Your inner city dwellers "hunt" and "fish" at the local bodega or maybe a Walmart.

 

[gallantwarrior]

There is an old saying...

Give a man a fish and he will eat for a day
Teach a man to fish and he will eat for a lifetime

But what happens when the pond no longer has any fish in it?

That is what happened in our inner cities. People may know how to fish.....but there are no fish to be caught

To survive one must go to where the fish are..

Good solution

We hear a nearby town has a pond that still has fish in it. So we all move and begin fishing in their pond. But the people of that town get angry and tell us there are only enough fish in their pond to feed their people

Eh, fuck 'em..

Exactly!

That is what happened in our inner cities. After all the fish were gone....America just said.......fuck 'em not my problem

Yep, but the fishermen should have moved on to more fertile fields...

But it's so much easier to stay on the government plantation and subsist on the handouts of their government masters than to fend for themselves.

 

[rightwinger]

There is an old saying...

Give a man a fish and he will eat for a day
Teach a man to fish and he will eat for a lifetime

But what happens when the pond no longer has any fish in it?

That is what happened in our inner cities. People may know how to fish.....but there are no fish to be caught

Nah, you can't fool me...your inner city "fishermen" don't even recognize that meat comes from something other than a Styrofoam packages and will argue that milk comes from anything other than cartons in the supermarket, or that almonds and soy beans produce "milk". Your inner city dwellers "hunt" and "fish" at the local bodega or maybe a Walmart.

Damn...went right over your head

 

[rightwinger]

To survive one must go to where the fish are..

Good solution

We hear a nearby town has a pond that still has fish in it. So we all move and begin fishing in their pond. But the people of that town get angry and tell us there are only enough fish in their pond to feed their people

Eh, fuck 'em..

Exactly!

That is what happened in our inner cities. After all the fish were gone....America just said.......fuck 'em not my problem

Yep, but the fishermen should have moved on to more fertile fields...

But it's so much easier to stay on the government plantation and subsist on the handouts of their government masters than to fend for themselves.

Again....where are the jobs so that they can fend for themselves?
The jobs have dried up in our inner cities

If you don't like the plantation...what do republicans offer as an alternative?

 

[flacaltenn]

There is an old saying...

Give a man a fish and he will eat for a day
Teach a man to fish and he will eat for a lifetime

But what happens when the pond no longer has any fish in it?

That is what happened in our inner cities. People may know how to fish.....but there are no fish to be caught

Exactly bro. The one question on Race that dared not be asked. WHY STAY? The local govt is yours AND STILL abuses you. The cost of living there is OUTRAGEOUS compared to the bigger US. And the dangers and the roadblocks to generational advancement are HUGE.

Good question
Why aren't the poor as mobile as the middle class and wealthy when the jobs dry up?
Probably multiple reasons, most relating to lack of money and poor credit

Subsidies are generally transferable in SOME form. Especially Fed ones. Whatever happened to 17 yr JillyAnn getting on a Greyhound and heading out of Podunk Plains State?

Too expensive to stay. Will likely never own a home that appreciates. I don't think it's money. I think it's "cultural comfort". The only GOOD answer I ever got to this question was -- "well that's where their friends and support are". OK _----------------- But EVERYONE leaves networks of friends behind multiple times in their life. Dunno.

But seeing disasters around me constantly would be enough motivation to go explore.

 

[bgrouse]

There is an old saying...

Give a man a fish and he will eat for a day
Teach a man to fish and he will eat for a lifetime

But what happens when the pond no longer has any fish in it?

That is what happened in our inner cities. People may know how to fish.....but there are no fish to be caught

Exactly bro. The one question on Race that dared not be asked. WHY STAY? The local govt is yours AND STILL abuses you. The cost of living there is OUTRAGEOUS compared to the bigger US. And the dangers and the roadblocks to generational advancement are HUGE.

Good question
Why aren't the poor as mobile as the middle class and wealthy when the jobs dry up?
Probably multiple reasons, most relating to lack of money and poor credit

Why would they necessarily be less mobile because of that? Poor people generally don't own their homes (compared to the rich and middle class) so with no job holding them back, there's no reason to stay. Just stop paying rent, pack up, and leave. There's no burden relating to trying to sell one's home. What does credit and money have to do with it? They'd be moving to less expensive housing.

No, the reason they stay is because the liberal city government keeps paying them welfare and subsidizing their housing. That's done to keep the negroes voting for the same democrats over and over again.

 

[bgrouse]

Good solution

We hear a nearby town has a pond that still has fish in it. So we all move and begin fishing in their pond. But the people of that town get angry and tell us there are only enough fish in their pond to feed their people

Eh, fuck 'em..

Exactly!

That is what happened in our inner cities. After all the fish were gone....America just said.......fuck 'em not my problem

Yep, but the fishermen should have moved on to more fertile fields...

But it's so much easier to stay on the government plantation and subsist on the handouts of their government masters than to fend for themselves.

Again....where are the jobs so that they can fend for themselves?
The jobs have dried up in our inner cities

If you don't like the plantation...what do republicans offer as an alternative?

They stay because of government handouts and subsidized housing, not because they don't have the money to rent for less somewhere else. One option is to outlaw subsidies in big cities and restrict them to areas that are mostly nonbusiness (except for services for those poor people). Kind of like a ghetto for the poor. That way they're moved out of the cities filled with working people so they don't overcrowd those cities. Increase subsidies for people willing to get sterilized. That way the problem works itself out in a few decades. Make the subsidies food stamps, rent, and other necessities. Subsidies shouldn't be too high. There should still be an incentive to work, as well as adjustments for sterilized individuals.

 

[gallantwarrior]

Good solution

We hear a nearby town has a pond that still has fish in it. So we all move and begin fishing in their pond. But the people of that town get angry and tell us there are only enough fish in their pond to feed their people

Eh, fuck 'em..

Exactly!

That is what happened in our inner cities. After all the fish were gone....America just said.......fuck 'em not my problem

Yep, but the fishermen should have moved on to more fertile fields...

But it's so much easier to stay on the government plantation and subsist on the handouts of their government masters than to fend for themselves.

Again....where are the jobs so that they can fend for themselves?
The jobs have dried up in our inner cities

If you don't like the plantation...what do republicans offer as an alternative?

Why must these people always be offered alternatives? Do they truly lack all initiative to find their own alternatives? As it stands now they are nothing more than kept animals, helpless unless fed and cared for by others.
Oh, by-the-way, I'm not a Republican, and your Democrats have totally screwed the pooch, having provided absolutely zip solutions, or alternatives for your plantation-dwelling constituency.

 

[task0778]

I'd like to hear more about this conservative backlash to the Civil Rights Movement, are we talking about those in the south that opposed desegregation? Or something larger? I am aware the racism still exists, it isn't as pervasive as it once was and is shrinking still. But I don't think that mainstream conservatives today are opposed to equal rights, it's just that the argument has widened to include abortion, religious liberty, minimum wage, income inequality, etc. All of which have two sides to any issue and is far from simple. Everything is political now, we spend more time worrying about who wins or loses politically than we do on solutions.