“We Are All Chris Dorner”- Crazy Support For Accused Cop Killer

[Freewill]

So what is new about the liberal left wing supporting cop killers?

A few extremists support a nut job and you guys equate it to all liberals supporting this guy. It just goes to show how truly stupid and ignorant you are of reality.

As clarification, not all liberals support cop killers but all who support cop killers are left wing liberals.

 

[mudwhistle]

I thought all you conservatives supported the right of the People to take up arms against a tyrannical government.

Make up your minds.

In what way is becoming Son of Sam a right?

 

[editec]

When the cops terrorize people, its called law-and-order.

When the people stop being scared?

That's called revolution.

 

[LogikAndReazon]

This piece of excrement was the victim here. No doubt about. His murderous rampage justified by illiterate degenerates.............

 

[Sallow]

Yeah, yeah, blah, blah, blah! Judging by the number of posts credited to you, you aren't working much! Seems as though you have a penchant for hanging around the house tapping at your keyboard...heh heh heh!

I don't work I direct where the work goes and who does it.

Then you are not a plumber. You are a liar!

And why is that?

Also, what does his profession have to do with the thread?

If anything, bigrebnc1775 has been making ALOT of sense.

 

[Sallow]

Ok so you admit that Obamacare isn't tyranny and anyone who said so is full of shit.

You are just as stupid as truth don't matter if you think I said that

First you say tyranny justifies armed rebellion. Then you say Obamacare is tyranny.

So, logically you support armed rebellion against the tyranny of Obamacare, unless of course you are just spouting bullshit...

...you and all the other big talkers here.

Actually he hasn't.

Maybe you should read what he's been posting in the thread.

 

[LilOlLady]

The best of us have limits when we are pushed. He exposed the police brutatility and corruption and he got fired. Pay backs is a M-----F-----. Isn't this what happens when people are bullied? He will never be taken alive or dead.

 

[Truthmatters]

He felt the government had "treaded" on him. Hmmmm. Isnt there a big national group that declares "Dont Tread on Me"???

We tell people that the anti-government frenzy is dangerous. And it is.

Why was he fired? Doesn't L.A. have a union?

I have read the entirety of Christopher Dorner's "Uncensored Manifesto." I don't like being told by the media or anyone else what to think. Apparently this guy should have lived by the same creed, and perhaps he wouldn't have gone around killing people. But then again, he's not a dull bulb, nor is he evil or a shit as some here are saying, and he is correct, the only thing you have is your name, and once they take that away, you are doomed.

On the one hand, he has a lot of integrity, honor, simplicity, and character. Unfortunately, he has also been conditioned and corrupted by the main stream culture. This has twisted his mind so there is a certain amount of cognitive dissonance going on. How one can reason that military grade weapons should not be in the hands of civilians and then be in possession of them to use them as a last resort "when you take everything from him especially his NAME!!!"

He was fired for being a whistle blower, for crossing the "blue line." The LAPD is infamous among all PD's for having no ethics or morality. It is as corrupt as a Sicilian bookie.
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SW1ZDIXiuS4]Rodney King tape on national news.flv - YouTube[/ame]
If you think things have changed, you are fooling yourself.

In 8/07 I reported an officer (Ofcr. Teresa Evans/now a Sergeant), for kicking a suspect (excessive force) during a Use of Force while I was assigned as a patrol officer at LAPD’s Harbor Division. While cuffing the suspect, (Christopher Gettler), Evans kicked the suspect twice in the chest and once in the face. The kick to the face left a visible injury on the left cheek below the eye. Unfortunately after reporting it to supervisors and investigated by PSB (internal affairs investigator Det. Villanueva/Gallegos), nothing was done. I had broken their supposed “Blue Line”. Unfortunately, It’s not JUST US, it’s JUSTICE!!! In fact, 10 months later on 6/25/08, after already successfully completing probation, acquiring a basic Post Certificate, and Intermediate Post Certificate, I was relieved of duty by the LAPD while assigned to patrol at Southwest division. It is clear as day that the department retaliated toward me for reporting Evans for kicking Mr. Christopher Gettler. The department stated that I had lied and made up the report that Evans had kicked the suspect. I later went to a Board of Rights (department hearing for decision of continued employment) from 10/08 to 1/09. During this BOR hearing a video was played for the BOR panel where Christopher Gettler stated that he was indeed kicked by Officer Evans (video sent to multiple news agencies). In addition to Christopher Gettler stating he was kicked, his father Richard Gettler, also stated that his son had stated he was kicked by an officer when he was arrested after being released from custody. This was all presented for the department at the BOR hearing. They still found me guilty and terminated me. What they didn’t mention was that the BOR panel made up of Capt. Phil Tingirides, Capt. Justin Eisenberg, and City Attorney Martella had a signigicant problem from the time the board was assembled. Capt. Phil Tingirides was a personal friend of Teresa Evans from when he was her supervisor at Harbor station. That is a clear conflict of interest and I made my argument for his removal early and was denied. The advocate for the LAPD BOR was Sgt. Anderson. Anderson also had a conflict of interest as she was Evans friend and former partner from Harbor division where they both worked patrol together. I made my argument for her removal when I discovered her relation to Evans and it was denied.

. . . . and later. . .

I have exhausted all available means at obtaining my name back. I have attempted all legal court efforts within appeals at the Superior Courts and California Appellate courts. This is my last resort. The LAPD has suppressed the truth and it has now lead to deadly consequences. The LAPD’s actions have cost me my law enforcement career that began on 2/7/05 and ended on 1/2/09. They cost me my Naval career which started on 4/02 and ends on 2/13. I had a TS/SCI clearance(Top Secret Sensitive Compartmentalized Information clearance) up until shortly after my termination with LAPD. This is the highest clearance a service member can attain other than a Yankee White TS/SCI which is only granted for those working with and around the President/Vice President of the United States. I lost my position as a Commanding Officer of a Naval Security Forces reserve unit at NAS Fallon because of the LAPD. I’ve lost a relationship with my mother and sister because of the LAPD. I’ve lost a relationship with close friends because of the LAPD. In essence, I’ve lost everything because the LAPD took my name and new I was INNOCENT!!! Capt Phil Tingirides, Justin Eisenberg, Martella, Randy Quan, and Sgt. Anderson all new I was innocent but decided to terminate me so they could continue Ofcr. Teresa Evans career. I know about the meeting between all of you where Evans attorney, Rico, confessed that she kicked Christopher Gettler (excessive force). Your day has come.

There are some on this forum that believe the LAPD has cleaned up it's act since the days of the Rodney King riots, or the OJ Simpson trial. It hasn't. It has only gotten worse. The officers that were involved in that beating, as we are told in Christopher Dorner's "Uncensored Manifesto," have only been promoted.

He was at his wits end about how to get his "good name" and his life back. I don't know how bad things were, and I don't know if in the past twenty years the situation has deteriorated even worse. I imagine it probably has. Instead of the CIA just running drugs to the poor from Mexico, now they are running drugs in from Afganistan. On top of that, they are now running guns into Mexico to help the whole scheme run smoother.

What I find odd about this fellows Manifesto, is that he is very much in support of average citizens not having the right to own military equipment, yet his own personal war against tyranny is made possible by that right. It seems rather hypocritical.

I don't think the time to take up arms has come yet. I really do think he has been pushed up against a wall and really had no where else to turn. I did read the WHOLE "Uncensored Manifesto." Christopher Dorner is neither sick, nor twisted, nor deranged. He is just tired of the hatred, the selfishness, and the corruption. He is tired of honor not meaning anything anymore. He is tired of a good days work not being rewarded. He is tired of a society paying lips service to "civil rights" and "civil liberties" for middle class and upper class folks, but when it comes to the poor, homeless, vagrants, idle youth on the street, they are treated as trash with no rights at all.

I find there is a sort of irony in his tirade against military grade arms, but then when he blows the whistle on the abuse of his fellow officers, time and again, and they kick him out of their club, he raises arms to defend the poor and down trodden with those self same arms. What is he, clueless? This is what the founders intended.

http://crabbygolightly.com/wordpress/heres-the-text-of-christopher-dorners-manifesto/83413609/

Definition of acronyms, and a mirror to the manifesto/suicide note.
http://www.examiner.com/article/chris-dorner-a-glossary-of-terms-the-manifesto-of-a-former-lapd-officer

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qi8KJ0boov8]Sublime (April 26,1992) - YouTube[/ame]

Seems to me this one guys personal war on the LAPD is better than another riot in South Central, don't ya think?

see waht actualluy looking into things does to your perspective.

I have to disagree with you on him not being a nutter though.

They drove him insane.

Its why he has made this compoletely crazy choice with how to deal with this all.


He should have written a screen play.

He should have gotten a smuck job and used all his spart time to write a screen play about the whole story.

Or a book with a screen play in mind.


He could have gotten this story told for decades to come

and would not have had to kill innocents to get his story told.

 

[Truthmatters]

He felll into the emotional trap that many people do.

revenge.

he wanted his good name back from people who would never give it to him.

He went insane thinking that was what was important.


Life will shred your ass if you walk arround worrying about what people think of you.

You do what is morally right in your heart.

In so doing you as an adult KNOW you will not recieve any pats on the back for it.


You do whats right because that is the world you want to see.


If you act like the scum who treat you like scum then you are just scum.


You do whats right with full expectations of NO glory for it.

I have found its a pretty 50 50 prospect of when you do the right thing that someone will proptly try to kick you in the teeth for your actions.


You do it anyway because it is who you want to be.

Jesus tried to teach you people this but many who say they follow Jesus never really listen to his messages



the man blew his own morals away.

I think hes gone insane but may have been a decent guy at some point in his life.

 

[Truthmatters]

You dont have to kill to tell your story

 

[MisterBeale]

Unfortunately, he has also been conditioned and corrupted by the main stream culture. This has twisted his mind so there is a certain amount of cognitive dissonance going on.

see waht actualluy looking into things does to your perspective.

I have to disagree with you on him not being a nutter though.

They drove him insane.

Its why he has made this compoletely crazy choice with how to deal with this all.


He should have written a screen play.

He should have gotten a smuck job and used all his spart time to write a screen play about the whole story.

Or a book with a screen play in mind.


He could have gotten this story told for decades to come

and would not have had to kill innocents to get his story told.

We are in total agreement that he made a very poor choice. Cognitive dissonance can rip apart a persons world. You can lose all perspective of what is important. The man thinks his "good name" is so important, but does murdering corrupt individuals who do not have an opportunity for trial make him better?

I can not be the one to answer that question. The corruption is endemic. He raises many fine points in his manifesto. Each persons corruption rests upon the tacit corruption of another, making the whole system reek with stank and rot. He is absolutely correct. I don't know how you deal with it. But taking out a few bad apples doesn't seem to be the way. If he sat down and thought about it, he would realize that they would just be replaced by some more bad apples. The bureaucracy is rotten to the core. It's endemic.

Perhaps what he is doing is the way, I don't know. I doubt it. Americans are too stupid and too damn lazy too READ. The price too make people read this manifesto is death. How many deaths will it take for the members of this forum to read this manifesto? 100, 1000? For me it only took him to murder three people. When Obama illegally bombed Libya, I wanted to know why. I wanted to know why Libya had the highest GDP on the continent and why the Rothschild banking cartel wanted Muammar Gaddafi's head. So I read his Green Book. It was brilliant. It was a cross between Socialism and Austrian Economic Policies. Who could imagine that you could make progressives and libertarians both happy? Talk about sound money, free enterprise and equally sharing community resources! Word of that could never get out. lol

But that's the point, they have to demonize him now, make him a "nutter." People will be too lazy to read what he actually wrote, and understand it is the system that created the crazy.

This is probably how he should have exposed the system. But then, if people had listened to Micheal Ruppert, we probably would never had had the crash in '08.
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IT4XA18cj3I]The C.I.A. Busted For Dealing Drugs To Americans - YouTube[/ame]
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UT5MY3C86bk]Former LA Police Officer Mike Ruppert Confronts CIA Director John Deutch on Drug Trafficking - YouTube[/ame]

 

[MisterBeale]

You dont have to kill to tell your story

Apparently you do in a nation of 313,914,040 if you want people to listen. But then again, the story the ignorant masses will hear will be that of your enemies, so what is the point? Only a very few will ever probably read your side, right?

 

[LogikAndReazon]

Listening to some of these imnbeciles you almost have to feel sorry for this poor fellow.....almost. wasnt really his fault.......oppressed victim of everything that he was........lol

Fascinating diatribe for occutards no doubt

 

[Katzndogz]

The mistake the LAPD made was in readmitting Dorner to the police academy when he shot himself in the hand. He was suspended. He should have been canned.

 

[bucs90]

Im just gonna play devil's advocate here. Lets say he is telling the truth, and the LAPD Sgt did indeed kick a person during that arrest. Was it Rodney King? No. Was is deadly force? No. What was it? An LAPD cop kicked a dude while arresting him, and it resulted in a scratch on the face. Wrong? Yes. But in the big picture of the GLOBAL police world, this is nothing. In the American police world, it isn't uncommon, wrong, but not uncommon.

Now, if this coward Dorner saw it, and he is a LT in the Navy Reserve, and has that elite level Top Secret clearance, and is a commander of a reserve combat unit, and he was well aware of the "Blue Wall" in police work..........why did he make such a huge deal out of what is, in scope, a relatively minor wrong by that Sgt? He had to know his Navy clearance would be in danger if he reported this and lost. I'd understand if it was a fellow officer killing an innocent person. But THIS? And why not put himself through a lie detector by a private investigator. He's had 4 years to do that. He could take that lie detector, then file a civil lawsuit for wrongful termination. Hell, within 4 years, he could've done that, won, and given the Navy is proof of clearance from the LAPD shit.

But he didn't. He risked it to report it. He didn't do anything like a lie detector for 4 years to prove his case. I THINK the Navy has probably had a lot of problems with this hotheaded loose cannon, and over 4 years since LAPD canned him, the Navy has probably had many internal issues with him and they finally had enough of his shit also and got rid of him. And Dorner, in his twised mind, still thinks LAPD is responsible for it. WHY? Well I dont know, but I'd guess because LAPD is an easier target for his killing. He sure as hell didnt pick a military base to run up to and attack. He ambushed cops instead.


But 4 years? No lie detector? Police Departments use lie detectors all the time with internal investigations like personnel issues and use of force issues. He could've hired a PI to administer one and file a civil lawsuit. He didn't. For 4 years. Not until the Navy dumped him did he snap. Im 100% sure the Navy had the same issues with him LAPD had.

 

[Truthmatters]

You dont have to kill to tell your story

Apparently you do in a nation of 313,914,040 if you want people to listen. But then again, the story the ignorant masses will hear will be that of your enemies, so what is the point? Only a very few will ever probably read your side, right?

when you decide to kill for words you are no better than the people you hate.


One person has NO right to kill others no matter what they THINK.

No matter how much wrong has been done them.


You have to believe that there is a place in the system to get your message to.


That is what your trying to do if you are a truely honest and decent person.

killing makes you jsut as bad as the people you are hating.


He went mad thinking it was about him.

Instead he should have been willing to NOT see himself redeemed and ONLY cared about the truth and getting the truth into other hands.


When you are truely on the side of right you are willing to bare the false accusations of the evil doers.

ITS NOT ABOUT YOU.

Its about what is right.

when you seek to do right you have to be willing to lose EVERYTHING in the name of right.


Here is a test for you.


You discover some horrible deeds and in order to expose them and save people the ONLY way you can accomplish this is to end up being labeled one of the evil doers.


Do you accept that fate and save people and end the bad deeds forever OR do you seek to clear your name first?


You accept the fate of being forever labeled evil to save lives and stop evil if you are truely on the side of good.


This man ended up placing his reputation over the greater good huh

 

[slackjawed]

You dont have to kill to tell your story

Apparently you do in a nation of 313,914,040 if you want people to listen. But then again, the story the ignorant masses will hear will be that of your enemies, so what is the point? Only a very few will ever probably read your side, right?

when you decide to kill for words you are no better than the people you hate.


One person has NO right to kill others no matter what they THINK.

No matter how much wrong has been done them.


You have to believe that there is a place in the system to get your message to.


That is what your trying to do if you are a truely honest and decent person.

killing makes you jsut as bad as the people you are hating.


He went mad thinking it was about him.

Instead he should have been willing to NOT see himself redeemed and ONLY cared about the truth and getting the truth into other hands.


When you are truely on the side of right you are willing to bare the false accusations of the evil doers.

ITS NOT ABOUT YOU.

Its about what is right.

when you seek to do right you have to be willing to lose EVERYTHING in the name of right.


Here is a test for you.


You discover some horrible deeds and in order to expose them and save people the ONLY way you can accomplish this is to end up being labeled one of the evil doers.


Do you accept that fate and save people and end the bad deeds forever OR do you seek to clear your name first?


You accept the fate of being forever labeled evil to save lives and stop evil if you are truely on the side of good.


This man ended up placing his reputation over the greater good huh

If your rep was on I would have given you pos rep for the part of the post I made bold.
The example you give is a little confusing, but the first point you make is spot on.

 

[Katzndogz]

It wasn't ONLY the single incident of reporting a female officer for police brutality. He followed that up. He reported ANOTHER officer for pissing on his jacket. Laboratory tests proved that the jacket had nothing more than water on it. Water that Dorner might have put on the jacket himself. That's when he was discharged, not because of the complaint about Teresa Evans.

Once the police learned that Dorner would tell any lie, commit any act, to prove that he was an embattled victim, the police had no choice but to get rid of him.

 

[NYcarbineer]

I thought all you conservatives supported the right of the People to take up arms against a tyrannical government.

Make up your minds.

In what way is becoming Son of Sam a right?

So you admit that our 2nd amendment is not a protection of the right to take up arms against what you might think is tyranny?

 

[NYcarbineer]

You are just as stupid as truth don't matter if you think I said that

First you say tyranny justifies armed rebellion. Then you say Obamacare is tyranny.

So, logically you support armed rebellion against the tyranny of Obamacare, unless of course you are just spouting bullshit...

...you and all the other big talkers here.

Actually he hasn't.

Maybe you should read what he's been posting in the thread.

Well he says here:

http://www.usmessageboard.com/6629567-post98.html

that the 2nd amendment is for our right to arm ourselves against tyranny. What do you suppose he means? I doubt he'll give a straight answer.