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You don't have to be a dickhead when it comes to speculating about a history that never happen. Grow up asshole.Youāre an idiot. That we know for sure.
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You don't have to be a dickhead when it comes to speculating about a history that never happen. Grow up asshole.Youāre an idiot. That we know for sure.
^I have much more of a clue than you do.
Well, this post clinches it.YES we got rid of a fairly EVIL group of people called the NAZI but now they have been replaced with a FAR FAR MORE EVIL group called the NEW ORDER
Instead of Heil H .. we now just say Heil Biden
^Almost always according to their parents wishes.
^Yes, I would know. I work with immigrants and immigrant families every day. I know very well.
No speculation On my partā¦.Iām just laying down the facts.Youāre the one doing the speculation. Germany sunk over 100 American ships off the east coast and in the Gulf of Mexico. You think they were just after Big Macsā¦.we were at war with their Allie, Japan at the time. When we declared war with Japan, we were at war with Germanyā¦..unless you think we should have bailed out of that and let them over run Australia, China and all,our holdings in the Far East.You don't have to be a dickhead when it comes to speculating about a history that never happen. Grow up asshole.
Btw, just to be accurate. Just three days after we declared war in Japan, Germany and Italy declared war ON THE USA. and itās allies. So what now, watch our ships get blown to hell as they try to invade and at least attack America. They were planning an attack if when they over ran England.You don't have to be a dickhead when it comes to speculating about a history that never happen. Grow up asshole.
I have never understood why it was the Japs that attacked us but yet we sent millions of soldiers to Europe to fight.
By the time we entered the war in Europe the Russians had bled them pretty bad. The only thing America did was shorten the war by a year or two.
Besides, we essentially replaced a tyrannical Nazi power with a just as tyrannical Soviet power.
I think that everyone in the world would agree that it was a good thing for Hitler to be defeated. However, I don't think it was our job to do it.
If we hadn't sent so many resources to Europe we could have defeated the Japs in half the time it took us to do so.
Not only that, but Germany was aggressively doing A bomb research with help from resources in developing heavy water in the Scandinavian countries. It was essential we establish air bases and start bombing the shit out of any suspected contributing targets in their allied countries and even neutral onesā¦.unfortunately we had to, just like now in the nuclear area, protect our selves over seas with bases in friendly countries to limit nuclear expansion to only our allies.A year or two more and no Western Front, and the Germans would have had jet fighters, jet bombers, and far more and heavier tanks.
Plus without the Strategic Bombing Campaign, their economic output would have vastly increased, as after Stalingrad they finally realized they needed to fully mobilize their economy.
Not only that, but Germany was aggressively doing A bomb research with help from resources in developing heavy water in the Scandinavian countries. It was essential we establish air bases and start bombing the shit out of any suspected contributing targets in their allied countries and even neutral onesā¦.unfortunately we had to, just like now in the nuclear area, protect our selves over seas with bases in friendly countries to limit nuclear expansion to only our allies.
Patten was not too wrong when he suggested at the defeat of Germany p, we turn our attention to the Soviets. But, after losing 1/2 million soldiers, no one wanted to hear anymore war talk with the Soviets. Patten could see the futureā¦.
Because, Japan was allied with Germany and Italy who declared war on the U.S. three days after we declared war on Japan. Germany eventually had long term plans to invade the U.S. through bases in the Caribbean. They were going to conquer the world And having nukes before anyone else would make it pretty difficult to stop.have never understood why it was the Japs that attacked us but yet we sent millions of soldiers to Europe to fight.
The idiot Hitler drove many of his best and brightest away. Fascist do that shit. But create A lot of havoc while in charge. German scientists too help the Soviets. They werenāt that far away.They got rid or drove off too many scientists (mostly the Jewish ones, but plenty of others as well). They were probably 5 years at least out from a working A-Bomb.
^Yes, I would know. I work with immigrants and immigrant families every day. I know very well.
Those early German jets were not very reliable. At any one time the Germans struggled to keep 20% of them operational. They used a tremendous amount of hard to produce fuel. Besides, they were developed as a high altitude bomber interceptor. Without the bombers the incentive would not have been there to put resources into development.A year or two more and no Western Front, and the Germans would have had jet fighters, jet bombers, and far more and heavier tanks.
Plus without the Strategic Bombing Campaign, their economic output would have vastly increased, as after Stalingrad they finally realized they needed to fully mobilize their economy.
Those early German jets were not very reliable. At any one time the Germans struggled to keep 20% of them operational. They used a tremendous amount of hard to produce fuel. Besides, they were developed as a high altitude bomber interceptor. Without the bombers the incentive would not have been there to put resources into development.
There is a lot of debate as to how effective the bombing was to destroy war production. No doubt it did a lot of damage to the cities and caused significant civilian casualties. War production for the Germans actually increased in 1944 during the most bombing.
Heavy tanks can be defeated with artillery and air power and the Russians were masters at artillery. In fact the US decided to never even bother to field a heavy tank during the war.
No doubt the US military participation shorten the war but I don't think it changed the inevitable outcome.
Of course we know what the real history is and anything I come up with as an alternative history is nothing more than speculation.
The Americans were much more of a minor player in North Africa than most of us realize. The Brits were the ones that defeat Rommel's Africa Corps for the most part.it would have increased far more without the bombing. Germany didn't go to full war production until after Stalingrad.
Remember the Allies also drew away German units in Africa and Italy.
Hell if the US wasn't involved how much you wanna bet Vichy would have been convinced to start raising Divisions and go to a war economy to stop the "Incipient hordes of Bolshevism" from taking over?
The Americans were much more of a minor player in North Africa than most of us realize. The Brits were the ones that defeat Rommel's Africa Corps for the most part.
Italy was mostly a disaster for American troops. Lots of bad decision made.
Again, no doubt American participation ended the war in Europe by at least one year and maybe two but by the time we became a major player the tied had turned. The Battle of Britain, Stalingrad, Krust and the fact Hitler was a military idiot that bit off a lot more than he could chew turned the tide against the Germans.
I think the worst that would have happen without American troops is that Germany would have retreated to its own borders and may have survived but no where near the threat that they were pre war. Meanwhile, we would have kicked the Jap's ass, developed the A bomb and had a few hundred thousand less casualties. Maybe a Cold War would have ensued but we had that anyhow with the Soviets and that lasted for 30 years.
Of course, like I said it all speculation because none of that happen.