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Nonsense. Liberals today believe in the opposite of what Jefferson stood for. It's dishonest to try to portray him as a modern day liberal, especially since freedom from big mother government is what the revolution was all about.Moreover, Jefferson and Madison were themselves Liberals. They would not have been angling for "freedom from" what they had just got done creating with the Constitution.
Yes, and it's also nonsense for today's conservatives to claim he would believe what a lot of their beliefs are, too. the terms don't mean the same today as the did then in either case.
What??so you think Jefferson didn't believe in freedom from government even though he in Madison founded the Republican Party to stand for exactly and precisely that belief?????
Are you saying that Jefferson formed the Republican Party to stand for something other than freedom from powerful central government if so why so afraid to tell us what his Republican Party did stand forNonsense. Liberals today believe in the opposite of what Jefferson stood for. It's dishonest to try to portray him as a modern day liberal, especially since freedom from big mother government is what the revolution was all about.Moreover, Jefferson and Madison were themselves Liberals. They would not have been angling for "freedom from" what they had just got done creating with the Constitution.
Yes, and it's also nonsense for today's conservatives to claim he would believe what a lot of their beliefs are, too. the terms don't mean the same today as the did then in either case.
What??so you think Jefferson didn't believe in freedom from government even though he in Madison founded the Republican Party to stand for exactly and precisely that belief?????
Democratic-Republican Party - Wikipedia
Democratic-Republican Party | political party, United States
It was originally called the Republican Party but should not be confused with the GOP of today. Jefferson would spit on those like you!
Jefferson created the Democrat-Republican party.I say Jefferson since he [and Madison] founded the Republican party in 1792 to stand for freedom from big liberal govt, exactly what modern Republicans stood for, while Lincoln founded another Republican that did not stand for freedom from big liberal govt, and so is more like the modern Democrat Party. This it seems to me makes Jefferson the first Republican.
Lincoln was the first Republican president
If you have primary source that says Democrat- Republican rather than Republican from 18th Century I will pay you $10,000. Bet? Do you know why liberal historians trick you that way?
You already owe me, and I'm sure others, that same $10k, so give it a rest.
WillHaftawaite is correct --- Jefferson's party was the "Democratic-Republican", and not related to either contemporary party of either name.
The Republican Party was founded in Ripon Wisconsin in early 1854. Lincoln was a Whig then. They, the meeting in Ripon Wisonsin, would have been the first "Republicans" that are actually related to the contemporary party. Its first Presidential candidate was John C. Frémont in 1856. And neither Frémont's name, nor Lincoln's, appeared on a ballot in the South. It wasn't a national party until after the Civil War.
--- which means, neither Jefferson nor Lincoln was "the first Republican".
I don't even need to look any of this up.
Moreover there was yet another Republican Party, called the National Republicans, later renamed the American Party, colloquially known as the "Know Nothings". They were a bunch of xenophobic thugs whose thuggery foreshadowed the Klan. They too are not related to the modern Republican Party.
I still take PayPal.
If you have primary source that says Democrat- Republican rather than Republican from 18th Century I will pay you $10,000. Bet? Do you know why liberal historians trick you that way?
Are you saying that Jefferson forms the Republican Party to stand for something other than freedom from powerful central government if so why so afraid to tell us what his Republican Party did stand forNonsense. Liberals today believe in the opposite of what Jefferson stood for. It's dishonest to try to portray him as a modern day liberal, especially since freedom from big mother government is what the revolution was all about.Moreover, Jefferson and Madison were themselves Liberals. They would not have been angling for "freedom from" what they had just got done creating with the Constitution.
Yes, and it's also nonsense for today's conservatives to claim he would believe what a lot of their beliefs are, too. the terms don't mean the same today as the did then in either case.
What??so you think Jefferson didn't believe in freedom from government even though he in Madison founded the Republican Party to stand for exactly and precisely that belief?????
Democratic-Republican Party - Wikipedia
Democratic-Republican Party | political party, United States
It was originally called the Republican Party but should not be confused with the GOP of today. Jefferson would spit on those like you!
Obviously a very rambling and disorganized rant why not start with the basics and tell us what Jefferson and Madison formed the Republican Party in 1792 to stand forAre you saying that Jefferson forms the Republican Party to stand for something other than freedom from powerful central government if so why so afraid to tell us what his Republican Party did stand forNonsense. Liberals today believe in the opposite of what Jefferson stood for. It's dishonest to try to portray him as a modern day liberal, especially since freedom from big mother government is what the revolution was all about.
Yes, and it's also nonsense for today's conservatives to claim he would believe what a lot of their beliefs are, too. the terms don't mean the same today as the did then in either case.
What??so you think Jefferson didn't believe in freedom from government even though he in Madison founded the Republican Party to stand for exactly and precisely that belief?????
Democratic-Republican Party - Wikipedia
Democratic-Republican Party | political party, United States
It was originally called the Republican Party but should not be confused with the GOP of today. Jefferson would spit on those like you!
Read the damn links and it will tell you what was going on. Back in the day Of the Jefferson Republican party that later became the Democratic-Republican Party and then became the Democratic Party is not the same political party that Lincoln, Roosevelt or Ike were part of.
Jefferson did not help find the GOP and to claim he did is pure nonsense on some political whore like yourself that refuses to accept the reality the founding fathers of the GOP were Progressives and not Conservatives. Presidents like Lincoln, Roosevelt, Ike, Nixon and others were Progressives just like Donald John Trump.
As you attempt to distort the reality of history the truth is Jefferson was the father of the Democratic Party and Andrew Jackson would be today what Conservatives with fiscal values would want in a President and not Lincoln!
Now stop trying to lie about who founded today GOP because Jackson political party might have used the Republican Party name does not mean they are the same damn thing you mental midget wanker!
So then why did you fail to tell us what Jefferson did stand for and what modern Republicans stand for?[/QUOTE]Jefferson created the Democrat-Republican party.
Lincoln was the first Republican president
If you have primary source that says Democrat- Republican rather than Republican from 18th Century I will pay you $10,000. Bet? Do you know why liberal historians trick you that way?
You already owe me, and I'm sure others, that same $10k, so give it a rest.
WillHaftawaite is correct --- Jefferson's party was the "Democratic-Republican", and not related to either contemporary party of either name.
The Republican Party was founded in Ripon Wisconsin in early 1854. Lincoln was a Whig then. They, the meeting in Ripon Wisonsin, would have been the first "Republicans" that are actually related to the contemporary party. Its first Presidential candidate was John C. Frémont in 1856. And neither Frémont's name, nor Lincoln's, appeared on a ballot in the South. It wasn't a national party until after the Civil War.
--- which means, neither Jefferson nor Lincoln was "the first Republican".
I don't even need to look any of this up.
Moreover there was yet another Republican Party, called the National Republicans, later renamed the American Party, colloquially known as the "Know Nothings". They were a bunch of xenophobic thugs whose thuggery foreshadowed the Klan. They too are not related to the modern Republican Party.
I still take PayPal.
If you have primary source that says Democrat- Republican rather than Republican from 18th Century I will pay you $10,000. Bet? Do you know why liberal historians trick you that way?
Can you name the only Conservative President that when he left office the United States of America did not have any national debt?
He was not Republican!
What is my point?
Conservatives once ran with the Democratic Party and Progressives like Lincoln were Republicans, so you might believe Jefferson was a Republican in today sense but he was not!
Do you have something better than Wikijokes?As you attempt to distort the reality of history the truth is Jefferson was the father of the Democratic Party
Obviously a very rambling and disorganized rant why not start with the basics and tell us what Jefferson and Madison formed the Republican Party in 1792 to stand forAre you saying that Jefferson forms the Republican Party to stand for something other than freedom from powerful central government if so why so afraid to tell us what his Republican Party did stand forYes, and it's also nonsense for today's conservatives to claim he would believe what a lot of their beliefs are, too. the terms don't mean the same today as the did then in either case.
What??so you think Jefferson didn't believe in freedom from government even though he in Madison founded the Republican Party to stand for exactly and precisely that belief?????
Democratic-Republican Party - Wikipedia
Democratic-Republican Party | political party, United States
It was originally called the Republican Party but should not be confused with the GOP of today. Jefferson would spit on those like you!
Read the damn links and it will tell you what was going on. Back in the day Of the Jefferson Republican party that later became the Democratic-Republican Party and then became the Democratic Party is not the same political party that Lincoln, Roosevelt or Ike were part of.
Jefferson did not help find the GOP and to claim he did is pure nonsense on some political whore like yourself that refuses to accept the reality the founding fathers of the GOP were Progressives and not Conservatives. Presidents like Lincoln, Roosevelt, Ike, Nixon and others were Progressives just like Donald John Trump.
As you attempt to distort the reality of history the truth is Jefferson was the father of the Democratic Party and Andrew Jackson would be today what Conservatives with fiscal values would want in a President and not Lincoln!
Now stop trying to lie about who founded today GOP because Jackson political party might have used the Republican Party name does not mean they are the same damn thing you mental midget wanker!
So then why did you fail to tell us what Jefferson did stand for and what modern Republicans stand for?If you have primary source that says Democrat- Republican rather than Republican from 18th Century I will pay you $10,000. Bet? Do you know why liberal historians trick you that way?
You already owe me, and I'm sure others, that same $10k, so give it a rest.
WillHaftawaite is correct --- Jefferson's party was the "Democratic-Republican", and not related to either contemporary party of either name.
The Republican Party was founded in Ripon Wisconsin in early 1854. Lincoln was a Whig then. They, the meeting in Ripon Wisonsin, would have been the first "Republicans" that are actually related to the contemporary party. Its first Presidential candidate was John C. Frémont in 1856. And neither Frémont's name, nor Lincoln's, appeared on a ballot in the South. It wasn't a national party until after the Civil War.
--- which means, neither Jefferson nor Lincoln was "the first Republican".
I don't even need to look any of this up.
Moreover there was yet another Republican Party, called the National Republicans, later renamed the American Party, colloquially known as the "Know Nothings". They were a bunch of xenophobic thugs whose thuggery foreshadowed the Klan. They too are not related to the modern Republican Party.
I still take PayPal.
If you have primary source that says Democrat- Republican rather than Republican from 18th Century I will pay you $10,000. Bet? Do you know why liberal historians trick you that way?
Can you name the only Conservative President that when he left office the United States of America did not have any national debt?
He was not Republican!
What is my point?
Conservatives once ran with the Democratic Party and Progressives like Lincoln were Republicans, so you might believe Jefferson was a Republican in today sense but he was not!
why did you fail to tell us what Jefferson did stand for and what modern Republicans stand for?So then why did you fail to tell us what Jefferson did stand for and what modern Republicans stand for?You already owe me, and I'm sure others, that same $10k, so give it a rest.
WillHaftawaite is correct --- Jefferson's party was the "Democratic-Republican", and not related to either contemporary party of either name.
The Republican Party was founded in Ripon Wisconsin in early 1854. Lincoln was a Whig then. They, the meeting in Ripon Wisonsin, would have been the first "Republicans" that are actually related to the contemporary party. Its first Presidential candidate was John C. Frémont in 1856. And neither Frémont's name, nor Lincoln's, appeared on a ballot in the South. It wasn't a national party until after the Civil War.
--- which means, neither Jefferson nor Lincoln was "the first Republican".
I don't even need to look any of this up.
Moreover there was yet another Republican Party, called the National Republicans, later renamed the American Party, colloquially known as the "Know Nothings". They were a bunch of xenophobic thugs whose thuggery foreshadowed the Klan. They too are not related to the modern Republican Party.
I still take PayPal.
If you have primary source that says Democrat- Republican rather than Republican from 18th Century I will pay you $10,000. Bet? Do you know why liberal historians trick you that way?
Can you name the only Conservative President that when he left office the United States of America did not have any national debt?
He was not Republican!
What is my point?
Conservatives once ran with the Democratic Party and Progressives like Lincoln were Republicans, so you might believe Jefferson was a Republican in today sense but he was not!
When did you fail in life?
Andrew Jackson was Conservative and Democrat and the only President to leave America Debt free!
Did you know that?
Lincoln was Progressive and Republican!
The GOP that is today is not the Republican Party Jefferson founded!
Jefferson party later became the Democratic Party and not today GOP!
Hell Jefferson left America in debt and you want to hitch your wagon to him?
Are you saying that Jefferson forms the Republican Party to stand for something other than freedom from powerful central government if so why so afraid to tell us what his Republican Party did stand for[/QUOTE]What??so you think Jefferson didn't believe in freedom from government even though he in Madison founded the Republican Party to stand for exactly and precisely that belief?????
Democratic-Republican Party - Wikipedia
Democratic-Republican Party | political party, United States
It was originally called the Republican Party but should not be confused with the GOP of today. Jefferson would spit on those like you!
why did you fail to tell us what Jefferson did stand for and what modern Republicans stand for?So then why did you fail to tell us what Jefferson did stand for and what modern Republicans stand for?If you have primary source that says Democrat- Republican rather than Republican from 18th Century I will pay you $10,000. Bet? Do you know why liberal historians trick you that way?
Can you name the only Conservative President that when he left office the United States of America did not have any national debt?
He was not Republican!
What is my point?
Conservatives once ran with the Democratic Party and Progressives like Lincoln were Republicans, so you might believe Jefferson was a Republican in today sense but he was not!
When did you fail in life?
Andrew Jackson was Conservative and Democrat and the only President to leave America Debt free!
Did you know that?
Lincoln was Progressive and Republican!
The GOP that is today is not the Republican Party Jefferson founded!
Jefferson party later became the Democratic Party and not today GOP!
Hell Jefferson left America in debt and you want to hitch your wagon to him?
Isn't it interesting that I've asked you five times now and you are quite afraid to tell us why Jefferson and Madison formed the Republican Party in 1792why did you fail to tell us what Jefferson did stand for and what modern Republicans stand for?So then why did you fail to tell us what Jefferson did stand for and what modern Republicans stand for?
Can you name the only Conservative President that when he left office the United States of America did not have any national debt?
He was not Republican!
What is my point?
Conservatives once ran with the Democratic Party and Progressives like Lincoln were Republicans, so you might believe Jefferson was a Republican in today sense but he was not!
When did you fail in life?
Andrew Jackson was Conservative and Democrat and the only President to leave America Debt free!
Did you know that?
Lincoln was Progressive and Republican!
The GOP that is today is not the Republican Party Jefferson founded!
Jefferson party later became the Democratic Party and not today GOP!
Hell Jefferson left America in debt and you want to hitch your wagon to him?
He did?
So modern Republicans stand for leaving the Country with massive debt?
Never knew that how Progressive of you!
The GOP came from the WHIG Political Party and today GOP are from the Know Nothing Political movement and are nothing like Jefferson even though you have latched onto the idea that Republican must have came from the Jefferson Republican party which mean you are confessing that you are a Democrat that love wasteful spending and leaving national debt for the future to pay for like Jefferson did!
I would expect you to be more of a Jackson type of guy, but it seem you are a true blue dog after all, right?
Are you saying that Jefferson forms the Republican Party to stand for something other than freedom from powerful central government if so why so afraid to tell us what his Republican Party did stand forWhat??so you think Jefferson didn't believe in freedom from government even though he in Madison founded the Republican Party to stand for exactly and precisely that belief?????
Democratic-Republican Party - Wikipedia
Democratic-Republican Party | political party, United States
It was originally called the Republican Party but should not be confused with the GOP of today. Jefferson would spit on those like you!
So modern Republicans stand for leaving the Country with massive debt?why did you fail to tell us what Jefferson did stand for and what modern Republicans stand for?So then why did you fail to tell us what Jefferson did stand for and what modern Republicans stand for?
Can you name the only Conservative President that when he left office the United States of America did not have any national debt?
He was not Republican!
What is my point?
Conservatives once ran with the Democratic Party and Progressives like Lincoln were Republicans, so you might believe Jefferson was a Republican in today sense but he was not!
When did you fail in life?
Andrew Jackson was Conservative and Democrat and the only President to leave America Debt free!
Did you know that?
Lincoln was Progressive and Republican!
The GOP that is today is not the Republican Party Jefferson founded!
Jefferson party later became the Democratic Party and not today GOP!
Hell Jefferson left America in debt and you want to hitch your wagon to him?
He did?
So modern Republicans stand for leaving the Country with massive debt?
Never knew that how Progressive of you!
The GOP came from the WHIG Political Party and today GOP are from the Know Nothing Political movement and are nothing like Jefferson even though you have latched onto the idea that Republican must have came from the Jefferson Republican party which mean you are confessing that you are a Democrat that love wasteful spending and leaving national debt for the future to pay for like Jefferson did!
I would expect you to be more of a Jackson type of guy, but it seem you are a true blue dog after all, right?
Isn't it interesting that I've asked you five times now and you are quite afraid to tell us why Jefferson and Madison formed the Republican Party in 1792why did you fail to tell us what Jefferson did stand for and what modern Republicans stand for?So then why did you fail to tell us what Jefferson did stand for and what modern Republicans stand for?Can you name the only Conservative President that when he left office the United States of America did not have any national debt?
He was not Republican!
What is my point?
Conservatives once ran with the Democratic Party and Progressives like Lincoln were Republicans, so you might believe Jefferson was a Republican in today sense but he was not!
When did you fail in life?
Andrew Jackson was Conservative and Democrat and the only President to leave America Debt free!
Did you know that?
Lincoln was Progressive and Republican!
The GOP that is today is not the Republican Party Jefferson founded!
Jefferson party later became the Democratic Party and not today GOP!
Hell Jefferson left America in debt and you want to hitch your wagon to him?
He did?
So modern Republicans stand for leaving the Country with massive debt?
Never knew that how Progressive of you!
The GOP came from the WHIG Political Party and today GOP are from the Know Nothing Political movement and are nothing like Jefferson even though you have latched onto the idea that Republican must have came from the Jefferson Republican party which mean you are confessing that you are a Democrat that love wasteful spending and leaving national debt for the future to pay for like Jefferson did!
I would expect you to be more of a Jackson type of guy, but it seem you are a true blue dog after all, right?
If Lincoln was the first republican what was Jefferson???Andrew Jackson was the first Democrat
Lincoln was the first Republican
So modern Republicans stand for leaving the Country with massive debt?why did you fail to tell us what Jefferson did stand for and what modern Republicans stand for?So then why did you fail to tell us what Jefferson did stand for and what modern Republicans stand for?Can you name the only Conservative President that when he left office the United States of America did not have any national debt?
He was not Republican!
What is my point?
Conservatives once ran with the Democratic Party and Progressives like Lincoln were Republicans, so you might believe Jefferson was a Republican in today sense but he was not!
When did you fail in life?
Andrew Jackson was Conservative and Democrat and the only President to leave America Debt free!
Did you know that?
Lincoln was Progressive and Republican!
The GOP that is today is not the Republican Party Jefferson founded!
Jefferson party later became the Democratic Party and not today GOP!
Hell Jefferson left America in debt and you want to hitch your wagon to him?
He did?
So modern Republicans stand for leaving the Country with massive debt?
Never knew that how Progressive of you!
The GOP came from the WHIG Political Party and today GOP are from the Know Nothing Political movement and are nothing like Jefferson even though you have latched onto the idea that Republican must have came from the Jefferson Republican party which mean you are confessing that you are a Democrat that love wasteful spending and leaving national debt for the future to pay for like Jefferson did!
I would expect you to be more of a Jackson type of guy, but it seem you are a true blue dog after all, right?
Exactly the opposite as a matter of fact which is why Republicans have tried 30 times since Jeffersons first try to make debt illegall in America to too bad the liberals killed every amendment is that simple enough for you to understand?
OK for the sixth time why are you so afraid to tell us what Jefferson and Madison formed the Republican Party to stand for??Isn't it interesting that I've asked you five times now and you are quite afraid to tell us why Jefferson and Madison formed the Republican Party in 1792why did you fail to tell us what Jefferson did stand for and what modern Republicans stand for?So then why did you fail to tell us what Jefferson did stand for and what modern Republicans stand for?
When did you fail in life?
Andrew Jackson was Conservative and Democrat and the only President to leave America Debt free!
Did you know that?
Lincoln was Progressive and Republican!
The GOP that is today is not the Republican Party Jefferson founded!
Jefferson party later became the Democratic Party and not today GOP!
Hell Jefferson left America in debt and you want to hitch your wagon to him?
He did?
So modern Republicans stand for leaving the Country with massive debt?
Never knew that how Progressive of you!
The GOP came from the WHIG Political Party and today GOP are from the Know Nothing Political movement and are nothing like Jefferson even though you have latched onto the idea that Republican must have came from the Jefferson Republican party which mean you are confessing that you are a Democrat that love wasteful spending and leaving national debt for the future to pay for like Jefferson did!
I would expect you to be more of a Jackson type of guy, but it seem you are a true blue dog after all, right?
Because they formed what would be later called the Democratic Party and not today GOP.
Jackson was Conservative and Democratic and Johnson caused the Know Nothing voters to flee to the GOP but you are now admitting you were a democrat until LBJ forced you out!
