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Left Wing means government control
Right Wing means individual freedom
Therefore Hitler was a Left winger
Right Wing means individual freedom
Therefore Hitler was a Left winger
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"Fascism should more appropriately be called Corporatism because it is a merger of state and corporate power."Let's speak on the lingua franca of political science instead of partisan jibberish, shall we?
Hitler was an authoritarian socialist, in league with capitalist industrialists.
That's fascism, or as, the leader of the modern Fascist party, Benito Mussolino, liked to call it, it's Corporatism.
Why didn't you offer us a corporate wing, Mani?
True. However Corporatism isn't what most anti-corporate folks think it is.
Benito Mussolini
Who'd know better than the expert, Mussolini.
My first three months on the board, that is all I discussed.
Most conservatives who have read "Road to Serfdom" would unequivocally say left wing. He used socialist arguments, was anti religion, vegetarian, and believed in enforced egalitarianism. The Horst Wessel story was an important part of National socialist ideology, the rich guy who discovers that the morals of the volk are higher than those of the rich and lives as an ordinary person and distributes his wealth.
The Road to serfdom chronicles the progression of social democratic thought, and where it leads to National Socialism.
When it comes to the right wing, there is very little there.
While some of you who actually are scholarly enough to have read " The Road to Fascism" read that book, I think that perhaps many of you FAILED TO NOTICE that von Hayek also noted that he was not going to discuss how CAPTIALISM could also lead to serfdom?
Do any of you even remember reading that? (wouldn't be surprise if you didn't since he really only mentioned that limitation of this poli-sci paper a few times and only IN PASSING)
FWIW, TRTS, was a good read and one that often found myself in complete agreement with.
von Hayek did a great job of explaining how socialism inevitably leads to authoritarianism.
And since he flat out told the readers that he was not going to ever touch the problems that a flawed capitalist system could lead to, I can credit him with being HONEST enough to at least ACKNOWLEDGE the limitations of his this bit of political science scholarship.
Apparently the thing some of you don't understand (or just refuse to acknowledge) is that there are many roads leading to SERFDOM.
One of the roads to serfdom is certainly socialism, like for example the SOVIET DISTOPIA.
And another road to SERFDOM is obviously corporatism, like for example, in Hitlerian Germany.
Both socialism and corporatism are essentally the same kind of government..brutal, authoritarian oligarchies controlled by a select elite FOR that select group of elites sole benefit.
Here's what I think many don't realize:
EVERY FORM OF GOVERNMENT leads to serfdom if the PEOPLE allow it!
Now why is that?
Because all governments seek to gain social/economic power, and once they have that power they are never ever every going to willingly give it up
You gotta just love how CON$ just make crap up!He was a devout Catholic, and everybody knows just how anti religion Catholicism is.My first three months on the board, that is all I discussed.
Most conservatives who have read "Road to Serfdom" would unequivocally say left wing. He used socialist arguments, was anti religion, vegetarian, and believed in enforced egalitarianism. The Horst Wessel story was an important part of National socialist ideology, the rich guy who discovers that the morals of the volk are higher than those of the rich and lives as an ordinary person and distributes his wealth.
The Road to serfdom chronicles the progression of social democratic thought, and where it leads to National Socialism.
When it comes to the right wing, there is very little there.
And you just can't get any more Left-Wing Socialistic than a VEGETARIAN!!!
CON$ are the most gullible people on Earth!
He was an atheist, not a catholic.
Neither Party SUPPORTS less government. One Party lies about supporting less government, but always grows the government when in power.All you got to do is look at which party now a days supports less government and which one supports more government control in our lives, and there you will have your answer.
Typical revisionist bullshit!Left Wing means government control
Right Wing means individual freedom
Therefore Hitler was a Left winger
While some of you who actually are scholarly enough to have read " The Road to Fascism" read that book, I think that perhaps many of you FAILED TO NOTICE that von Hayek also noted that he was not going to discuss how CAPTIALISM could also lead to serfdom?
Do any of you even remember reading that? (wouldn't be surprise if you didn't since he really only mentioned that limitation of this poli-sci paper a few times and only IN PASSING)
FWIW, TRTS, was a good read and one that often found myself in complete agreement with.
von Hayek did a great job of explaining how socialism inevitably leads to authoritarianism.
And since he flat out told the readers that he was not going to ever touch the problems that a flawed capitalist system could lead to, I can credit him with being HONEST enough to at least ACKNOWLEDGE the limitations of his this bit of political science scholarship.
Apparently the thing some of you don't understand (or just refuse to acknowledge) is that there are many roads leading to SERFDOM.
One of the roads to serfdom is certainly socialism, like for example the SOVIET DISTOPIA.
And another road to SERFDOM is obviously corporatism, like for example, in Hitlerian Germany.
Both socialism and corporatism are essentally the same kind of government..brutal, authoritarian oligarchies controlled by a select elite FOR that select group of elites sole benefit.
Here's what I think many don't realize:
EVERY FORM OF GOVERNMENT leads to serfdom if the PEOPLE allow it!
Now why is that?
Because all governments seek to gain social/economic power, and once they have that power they are never ever every going to willingly give it up
That's very true, and we can see evidence of that in both sides of the mainstream political agenda. So why is more government involvement in the economy preferred by left of center people?
Because the current economic disaster was the result of an economic system that is NOT REMOTELY a level playing field.
Don't you realize that 90% of the banks in this nation were ALSO screwed?
Do you really imagine that the game capitalism need NO referees?
Apparently you do.
Well you're wrong.
EVen the dark prince of the FED (Greenspan) acknowledged that this meltdown was directly the result of DEREGULATION, that his RANDIAN fantasies about deregulation and the sensibility of a deregulated free market capitalism were just that...fantasies.
I can understand it from the evangelical right, they are currently in an authoritarian cycle. They also are not necessarily against puritan social structures as long as their ox isn't gored. I cannot understand the left of center anti-authoritarian person that continuously advocates authoritarian policies.
Got any ideas?
Banking regulation is NOT authoritarianism, UNLESS we allow it to become so.
You see this is the problem with governments generally.
It isn't government that is the problem, its BAD government that's the problem.
I wish that more conservatives understood that as it realted to the ELITE.
Certainly they understand that well enough when it comes to the little people.
But somehow they imagine that if somebopdy is rich and powerful?
They cannot be criminal?!
How the hell does anybody come up with that POV?
Neither Party SUPPORTS less government. One Party lies about supporting less government, but always grows the government when in power.All you got to do is look at which party now a days supports less government and which one supports more government control in our lives, and there you will have your answer.
This notion that Hitler wasn't religious - and that Nazism did not depend on religious ideology - is a half truth.
European anti-semitism trades heavily on the label of Jews as Christ-killers. Nazism leveraged this to pull ordinary Germans into the cause of isolating and alienating Jews.
Religion was vital to the Nazi consolidation of power because it provided a context for calling Jews evil - and it allowed Hitler to claim he was protecting Germany and the world from an evil conyagion. This is a very old political tool. Think of Bush's messianic nationalism, specially his ultra-patriotic rhetoric combined with the notion saving the "fallen" middle east with the American model. Research Bush's constant reference to evil doers and "saving the world" with the American market system. Please recall how he described those who opposed his policy as "anti-American" or "siding w/the terrorists". Only fascism claims that citizens are evil for disagreeing with Dear Leader.
Tragically, the Right is coming back to full power in 2012. They will once again create a "good versus evil" war for civilization, ripe with subtke Christian overtones of saving the world from the barbarian (evil) hordes. Worse: anybody who opposes Dear Leader will be accused of hating America. God help us. They're coming back. And like Nazi Germany, they will bring with them their list of scapegoats who are destroying the Real America, from illegals to baby killing liberals and "the gay agenda".
God help us. They are coming back.
Borders Language Culture! They are going to save the Real America from the evil contagion. God help us. Add some desperation - like Weimar - and there is no telling how far their scapegoating will go.