Warp Drive May Be More Feasible Than Thought, Scientists Say

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Warp Drive May Be More Feasible Than Thought, Scientists Say
SPACE.com ^ | 2012-09-17 | Clara Moskowitz

Warp Drive May Be More Feasible Than Thought, Scientists Say - Yahoo! News

A warp drive to achieve faster-than-light travel — a concept popularized in television's Star Trek — may not be as unrealistic as once thought, scientists say.


A warp drive would manipulate space-time itself to move a starship, taking advantage of a loophole in the laws of physics that prevent anything from moving faster than light. A concept for a real-life warp drive was suggested in 1994 by Mexican physicist Miguel Alcubierre, however subsequent calculations found that such a device would require prohibitive amounts of energy.


Now physicists say that adjustments can be made to the proposed warp drive that would enable it to run on significantly less energy, potentially bringing the idea back from the realm of science fiction into science.


"There is hope," Harold "Sonny" White of NASA's Johnson Space Center said here Friday (Sept. 14) at the 100 Year Starship Symposium, a meeting to discuss the challenges of interstellar spaceflight.
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Laboratory tests

White and his colleagues have begun experimenting with a mini version of the warp drive in their laboratory.

They set up what they call the White-Juday Warp Field Interferometer at the Johnson Space Center, essentially creating a laser interferometer that instigates micro versions of space-time warps.

"We're trying to see if we can generate a very tiny instance of this in a tabletop experiment, to try to perturb space-time by one part in 10 million," White said.

He called the project a "humble experiment" compared to what would be needed for a real warp drive, but said it represents a promising first step.

And other scientists stressed that even outlandish-sounding ideas, such as the warp drive, need to be considered if humanity is serious about traveling to other stars.

"If we're ever going to become a true spacefaring civilization, we're going to have to think outside the box a little bit, were going to have to be a little bit audacious," Obousy said.
 
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I'm hoping they can find it before I die, but that likelyhood goes down if nasas budget keeps going down.



NASA: Warp drive is 'plausible and worth further investigation'

NASA: Warp drive is 'plausible and worth further investigation' | DVICE

http://dvice.com/archives/2012/09/nasa-warp-drive.php

Warp drive, a staple of science-fiction, has just been deemed "plausible and worth further investigation" by the smart and apparently not crazy people over at NASA. And by way of further investigation, they've gone and started trying to create warp bubbles in the lab.

The principle of warm drive is really fairly simple. Nothing that exists in space is supposed to be able to go faster than the speed of light, right? Right. So, the only way to go faster than the speed of light is to not do it in space. One way of going about this is to use something like a wormhole to punch a shortcut straight through one part of space to another, but a more common method (in Star Trek, at least) is to avoid the whole speed limit problem by warping space itself.

All you have to do to travel faster than light is to create a warp field with a ring of exotic matter, encasing your ship in a separate bubble of space, and then get the space to move faster than the speed of light. Technically, since it's the fabric of space that's moving, nothing in space itself is breaking the light speed limit. It's a loophole, yes, but it works. Or at least, we're not sure that it doesn't not work. In terms of powering a spacecraft this way, you'd just shrink the bubble of space in front of you and expand the bubble of space behind you, pushing your bubble along lickety-split.

Whlie the thought experiment might be simple, making this actually work in practice isn't so much. It requires things like negative energy or some other exotic material that may or may not exist, and physicists had estimated that the amount of energy required to move a few atoms this way would be on the scale of the total amount of energy contained in our sun three times over. For an entire spaceship, we'd be talking several orders of magnitude more energy than could be produced by the entire universe. In other words, probably not practical.

Last week at the 100 Year Starship Symposium, NASA researcher Harold White presented some new research suggesting that this whole warp drive thing might not be entirely nuts. You might be able to do it with a football-shaped spacecraft surrounded by a ring of exotic matter, and you might even be able to make it work with much, much less energy. Like, just a couple thousand pounds worth of mass.



"The math would allow you to go to Alpha Centauri in two weeks as measured by clocks here on Earth," White said. "So somebody's clock onboard the spacecraft has the same rate of time as somebody in mission control here in Houston might have. There are no tidal forces, no undue issues, and the proper acceleration is zero. When you turn the field on, everybody doesn't go slamming against the bulkhead, (which) would be a very short and sad trip."


White has already started trying to generate a (very very small) warp bubble using something called a White-Juday Warp Field Interferometer, which should be able to perturb spacetime itself by one part in 10 million or so. That's not enough to take us to the stars, but perhaps enough to prove that it's realistically possible.

Isn't warp one=speed of light? That would take 4 years to get to the closes star??? Right? Of course this is star trek physics of the warp drive.
 
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It's a loophole, yes, but it works. Or at least, we're not sure that it doesn't not work. In terms of powering a spacecraft this way, you'd just shrink the bubble of space in front of you and expand the bubble of space behind you, pushing your bubble along lickety-split.

Hey -- I'm easy.. I'll buy that. Guess you don't have to be a scientist to dream PLAUSIBLE stuff up.. Just a great Sci Fi author with some knowledge and discipline..

Verne, Huxley, Orwell, Wells, Heinlein, Bradbury --- got a lot of stuff right. But then so did the author of Genesis.. Still can't get that phaser I bought at the Anaheim Trekky convention to work.. Even on the stun setting..
 
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If he can get it to work...I think we should build a ship and go to mars with it. Imagine going from earth to mars in under a week. I'll tell you one thing the first man to ride is going to have to have some balls.

The one reason for the "warp core" in star trek is to hold the energy needed. Our first warp capable ship will likely be one big energy holder.
 
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If he can get it to work...Well, I think we should build a ship and go to mars. Imagine going from earth to mars in under a week.

The one reason for the "warp core" in star trek is to hold the energy needed. Our first warp cabale ship will likely be one big energy holder.

You can buy the plans for the Enterprise Warp Drive online for $29.95.. Here's a free hint..

starfleet-vessel-enterprise-nx-01-sheet-15.jpg


Give it a go... BTW -- I think the theory goes that Warp energy is like the claim for FREE SOLAR and FREE WIND. The warp drive just provides power to wrap the ship into a transportable bubble and the space-time continuum does the rest..
 
One cannot travel faster than light, however since an object cannot be in more than one place at a time displacement/jump drive works without breaking the law against faster than light travel.
 
One cannot travel faster than light, however since an object cannot be in more than one place at a time displacement/jump drive works without breaking the law against faster than light travel.

What are you? Some podunk sheriff with a radar gun?? :tongue:

Haven't even taken a maiden voyage and "the man" is posting speed limits...
 

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