War tax!

[nodoginnafight]

we would be less likely to go to war....if we had to pay for them, borrowing the money makes it too easy to send our men and women to their possible deaths.

are you under the impression that war serves no purpose?

the iraq "war" falls squarely into this category.

yup!

 

[DiamondDave]

Instead of a goddamn war tax (which about 1/2 the population don't pay tax and would not be contributing anyway).. how about cutting unnecessary and bullshit government spending in other areas to properly fund our efforts??

But Nooooooooooooooooooooo... we won't see that

"unnecessary and bullshit government spending" like say BILLIONS of dollars a month to invade and occupy Iraq and Afghanistan, perhaps?

Funny... national defense and military action is covered under federal government responsibilities in the constitution... and funny, both were legal and justified, whether YOU agree with it or not

Try things like government healthcare, welfare entitlements to businesses and individuals, research grants for things like pig shit smell, etc....

 

[VaYank5150]

Instead of a goddamn war tax (which about 1/2 the population don't pay tax and would not be contributing anyway).. how about cutting unnecessary and bullshit government spending in other areas to properly fund our efforts??

But Nooooooooooooooooooooo... we won't see that

"unnecessary and bullshit government spending" like say BILLIONS of dollars a month to invade and occupy Iraq and Afghanistan, perhaps?

Funny... national defense and military action is covered under federal government responsibilities in the constitution... and funny, both were legal and justified, whether YOU agree with it or not

Try things like government healthcare, welfare entitlements to businesses and individuals, research grants for things like pig shit smell, etc....

First, please show me how invading Iraq falls under defending our country. Or are you like Patek in believing the best defense of the US is to offensively invade any country that doesn't think like we believe they should?

 

[DiamondDave]

"unnecessary and bullshit government spending" like say BILLIONS of dollars a month to invade and occupy Iraq and Afghanistan, perhaps?

Funny... national defense and military action is covered under federal government responsibilities in the constitution... and funny, both were legal and justified, whether YOU agree with it or not

Try things like government healthcare, welfare entitlements to businesses and individuals, research grants for things like pig shit smell, etc....

First, please show me how invading Iraq falls under defending our country. Or are you like Patek in believing the best defense of the US is to offensively invade any country that doesn't think like we believe they should?

First... please look as to why my military brethren and I went in to save Kuwait in the first place... our allies and 'friends' fall under our protection as well.. and please tell me you did not forget about the western hostages that Saddam had as well
Second... realize that there were terms of cease fire agreed to that were continually violated after we were not allowed to finish the job right the first time
Third... realize that once the terms of cease fire were violated, we had every right to go back and enforce them and finish the job... and I for one am glad we did, even if it was much later than it should have been

 

[PatekPhilippe]

we would be less likely to go to war....if we had to pay for them, borrowing the money makes it too easy to send our men and women to their possible deaths.

are you under the impression that war serves no purpose?

The Iraq "war" falls SQUARELY into this category.

and that's your opinion which you are entitled to....but then again...you're NOT in charge are you so your point on the Iraq war is absolutely meaningless.

 

[Missourian]

"unnecessary and bullshit government spending" like say BILLIONS of dollars a month to invade and occupy Iraq and Afghanistan, perhaps?

Funny... national defense and military action is covered under federal government responsibilities in the constitution... and funny, both were legal and justified, whether YOU agree with it or not

Try things like government healthcare, welfare entitlements to businesses and individuals, research grants for things like pig shit smell, etc....

First, please show me how invading Iraq falls under defending our country. Or are you like Patek in believing the best defense of the US is to offensively invade any country that doesn't think like we believe they should?

Ask these guys:

"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program."
--President Bill Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998

"Iraq is a long way from [here], but what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face."
--Madeline Albright, Feb 18, 1998

"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983."
--Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998

"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs."
Letter to President Clinton, signed by:
-- Democratic Senators Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, and others, Oct. 9, 1998​

 

[Missourian]

Or these folks:

"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."
-Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998

"Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies."
-- Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999

"There is no doubt that ... Saddam Hussein has reinvigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam continues to redefine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a licit missile program to develop longer-range missiles that will threaten the United States and our allies."
Letter to President Bush, Signed by:
-- Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), and others, Dec 5, 2001

"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandate of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and th! e means of delivering them."
-- Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002​

 

[PatekPhilippe]

"unnecessary and bullshit government spending" like say BILLIONS of dollars a month to invade and occupy Iraq and Afghanistan, perhaps?

Funny... national defense and military action is covered under federal government responsibilities in the constitution... and funny, both were legal and justified, whether YOU agree with it or not

Try things like government healthcare, welfare entitlements to businesses and individuals, research grants for things like pig shit smell, etc....

First, please show me how invading Iraq falls under defending our country. Or are you like Patek in believing the best defense of the US is to offensively invade any country that doesn't think like we believe they should?

There you go again...rewriting history....

When will you come to the understanding that Iraq shot at us daily for nearly 10 years while we were patrolling the no fly zones over Iraq? When will you come to the understanding that Clinton signed into law, the Iraq Regime Change Resolution and continually fired cruise missiles at the capitol, Baghdad?

Probably never...since history started for you on January 21, 2001 when
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSH
came into the White House.

 

[Missourian]

Or these:

"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country."
-- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power."
-- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction."
-- Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002

"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons..."
-- Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002​

 

[Missourian]

Or these:

"I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force -- if necessary -- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security."
-- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002

"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years ... We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction."
-- Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002

"He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years, every significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroy his chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he has refused to do"
-- Rep. Henry Waxman (D, CA), Oct. 10, 2002​

 

[Missourian]

Or these:

"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members ... It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons."
-- Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002

"We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction."
-- Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002

"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real..."
-- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003​

 

[VaYank5150]

Or these:

"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members ... It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons."
-- Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002

"We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction."
-- Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002

"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real..."
-- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003​

While I appreciate yor research, please show me how these actions listed showed intended harm to the United States, as per specified in the Constitution.

 

[DiamondDave]

Or these:

"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members ... It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons."
-- Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002

"We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction."
-- Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002

"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real..."
-- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003​

While I appreciate yor research, please show me how these actions listed showed intended harm to the United States, as per specified in the Constitution.

Not just the CONUS... or do you have to be reminded again about treaties and allies?

 

[nodoginnafight]

are you under the impression that war serves no purpose?

The Iraq "war" falls SQUARELY into this category.

and that's your opinion which you are entitled to....but then again...you're NOT in charge are you so your point on the Iraq war is absolutely meaningless.

So I guess EVERYONE here (including you) are expressing nothing but meaningless opinions. Whew - glad we got that squared away. Last one out hit the lights, OK.

 

[Missourian]

So stop trying to rewrite history.

Those are the top tier of the Democrat Party.

President Bill Clinton.

Former First Lady, Senator and current Secretary of State Hillary Clinton.

Vice President and Senator and Democratic Presidential Candidate (2000) Al Gore.

Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi.

Senator and Democratic Presidential Candidate (2004) John Kerry.

The late Senator Ted Kennedy.

And Bill Clinton's Secretary of State Madeline Albright.

And his National Security Adviser Sandy Berger.



They all believed invading Iraq was in our national interest.

And before you trot our that old tired "Bush lied, he fabricated the Intel" keep in mind, both Clintons, Al Gore, Nancy Pelosi, Sandy Berger and Madeline Albright were all privy to pre-Bush Administration Intel, and they all reached the same conclusion.

Edit: When I say 'you', I mean you generally, not you specifically VaYank.

 

[Missourian]

While I appreciate your research, please show me how these actions listed showed intended harm to the United States, as per specified in the Constitution.

I looked these up individually last time I posted them, but this time I found them all conveniently compiled on one page for me by this guy.

davidstuff.com index of contents

Democrat Quotes on WMD

 

[Claudette]

NOt only those listed but every other intelligence agency thought he had WMD's also.

 

[PatekPhilippe]

Or these:

"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members ... It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons."
-- Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002

"We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction."
-- Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002

"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real..."
-- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003​

While I appreciate yor research, please show me how these actions listed showed intended harm to the United States, as per specified in the Constitution.

and heren lies vayanks attempts to justify his OPINION by asking YOU, Missourian to make a case for war with Iraq based on a few pages from the internet....and knowing you will fail to change his mind he will then bash Bush some more and continue trying to rewrite history...what a DNC/Huffington tool.

 

[VaYank5150]

Or these:

"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members ... It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons."
-- Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002

"We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction."
-- Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002

"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real..."
-- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003​

While I appreciate yor research, please show me how these actions listed showed intended harm to the United States, as per specified in the Constitution.

Not just the CONUS... or do you have to be reminded again about treaties and allies?

Oh, my bad....just a few posts ago, you were throwing the CONUS in my face. Now, you are falling back to treaties and allies?

 

[DiamondDave]

While I appreciate yor research, please show me how these actions listed showed intended harm to the United States, as per specified in the Constitution.

Not just the CONUS... or do you have to be reminded again about treaties and allies?

Oh, my bad....just a few posts ago, you were throwing the CONUS in my face. Now, you are falling back to treaties and allies?

Ummmm.. no I did not.. but nice try, asshat

What I did state is that national defense and military action are covered under the constitution, as to being a charge of the federal government.... not all authorized military action is in direct defense of the US soil....