War is NOT a Jesus thing

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    Many of the propagators of this war in Iraq, as well as the war against terrorism, claim to believe in Jesus, the Christ, the Saviour. How do the teachings of Jesus reconcile your beliefs in WAR? Even the Crusades, that attempted to annialate Islam, proved that war and force would not be successful.

    I'm a Christian, I can't for the life of me understand why God-Like aspiring people might embrace WAR of any nature, and much less this one. Maybe overly religious people are drawn to WAR, I am not.
     
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    I personally don't embrace war and think we as a society are probably numb to violence. Unfortunately, there are those on this planet that only understand the sword. How do you combat this? Roll over and Die? Try to explain to them how "bad" war and violence really is? I can see myself sitting down over tea with some of those Fallujah sub humans discussing why they did what they did, and showing them the error of there ways. Think I'd live more then 5 seconds? 10?
     
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    As a Christian, I agree completely. You WILL find OT references, however, to Jews being told to go to war to protect their God given property. -(land)

    This is in defense. The other references in OT show other situations where God spoke directly to individuals (in the early part of the OT) where the pieces were being put in place for Israel to become the chosen land.

    When Jesus shows up and also throughout the NT you find references to guard with your life the things he grants us (like property) as well. You will find bits about stewardship that quite clearly aid in understanding the perspective.

    The whole BIBLICAL point wraps around stewardship and proper application of. To do otherwise is in violation of Biblical teaching. The only way a Christian could validate the Iraq war was if we had formal notification by their leaders that they were specifically out to destroy us at all costs. Otherwise, we simply defend ourselves on the lower level necessary.

    This is why I personally cannot see Bush justifying this in any capacity. Add the fact he claims muslims and Christians worship the same God, and I defy anyone to prove he IS a Christian.
     
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    Sorry, wierd edit bug. Keeps making repeat posts... lol.


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    Label the mentality of the Iraq war based on purely religious convictions and you have yourself a genuine strawman.

    As a secular humanitarian I can easily reconcile the lives saved in Iraq based upon the ouster of Saddam compared to the ongoing cost of lives lost in the act. 100 FOLD.

    BTW, I am not religious, one bit, and I believe I remain objective enough to weigh each in light of their practice.

    I see modern day, liberally enlightened Christianity existing in the today's securlar Western governments as a force serving the peace of mind of it's believers, and not attemping to dominate to serve the ego and power of the orgination's leaders.

    (Catholic Pope-a-dopes excluded.)

    The major step for this religion (AND Judaism) was to reserve any penalty for trespassing on their beliefs to GOD alone.

    ie. The "soft sell" approach.

    Wahabbi Islam has developed into a totalitarian, hostile meme similar to the period of the early Christian Inquisions. The religion is pushed as the rule of law, and the burden of God's will according to the scripture is no longer one of His own making.

    Todays Fundamentalists in Islam believe every true Muslim in this faith must become a handmaiden to FORCEFULLY applying the scripture among the non-believers, to prove their worthiness to Allah. And this meme must be destroyed, because it is in all moral sense, EVIL.
     
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    Label the mentality of the Iraq war based on purely religious convictions and you have yourself a genuine strawman.

    If you believe saving lives is the morally correct choice then you invade Iraq. I can prove this very simply, if you even care.

    BTW, I am not religious, one bit, and I believe I remain objective enough to weigh each in light of their practice.

    I see modern day, liberally enlightened Christianity existing in the today's securlar Western governments as a force serving the peace of mind of it's believers, and not attemping to dominate to serve the ego and power of the orgination's leaders.

    (Catholic Pope-a-dopes excluded.)

    The major step for this religion (AND Judaism) was to reserve any penalty for trespassing on their beliefs to GOD alone.

    ie. The "soft sell" approach.

    Wahabbi Islam has developed into a totalitarian, hostile meme similar to the period of the early Christian Inquisions. The religion is pushed as the rule of law, and the burden of God's will according to the scripture is no longer one of His own making.

    Todays Fundamentalists in Islam believe every true Muslim in this faith must become a handmaiden to FORCEFULLY applying the scripture among the non-believers, to prove their worthiness to Allah. And this meme must be destroyed, because it is in all moral sense, EVIL.
     
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    All due respect, it would appear either you are having a real bad day, or your typing fingers are drunk.

    I am now attempting to edit my post.

    :D
     
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    Oh, yah, just make fun of me!

    This damn program keeps copying the post every time I try to edit it out. Why don't you try to edit your own post and see what I mean.
     
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    How does that look?:rotflmao:
     

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