Zone1 America is not a democracy its a republic ?

[Stryder50]

I know mormons had problems with black folk. But decent people think slavery is evil. Wherever it is practiced.

Be sure to remind the Moslem dominated nations that still allow slavery as legal.
Yet get to be members of the United Nations.
BTW, even in the USA 160+ years ago, slavery wasn't limited to just "black folk" being slaves. Other races could also be slaves, especially in other parts of the Americas. And "black folk" could be slave owners. It was "black folk" that captured and enslaved other "black folk" to see to those transporting slaves to the Americas.

BTW, only about 10% of those came to the USA. Rest went to other parts of the Americas, Brazil and the Caribbean mostly.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

Be sure to remind the Moslem dominated nations that still allow slavery as legal.
Yet get to be members of the United Nations.
BTW, even in the USA 160+ years ago, slavery wasn't limited to just "black folk" being slaves. Other races could also be slaves, especially in other parts of the Americas. And "black folk" could be slave owners. It was "black folk" that captured and enslaved other "black folk" to see to those transporting slaves to the Americas.

BTW, only about 10% of those came to the USA. Rest went to other parts of the Americas, Brazil and the Caribbean mostly.

Racist white supremacy talking points.

 

[LibertyKid]

I know mormons had problems with black folk. But decent people think slavery is evil. Wherever it is practiced.

Clean debate forum, you're the OP, keep it on topic, sheesh. Regardless of his religious leanings, doesn't negate what he has said about our gov't.

 

[LibertyKid]

As always, of course, you're speaking from a position of deep ignorance, and lack of standing, with regard to American governance.

Nearly all laws and enforcement in America are supposed to be at the state or local levels, not at the federal level. The federal government is only supposed to have authority over those things that are explicitly delegated to it in the Constitution. That is the point of the Tenth Amendment.

It is up to states and localities to determine what laws they will enact, against what behaviors, and how, within the limits imposed by the Constitution, these laws will be enforced.

If someone commits a murder in New York city, for example, that's a matter for either New York city's government to deal with, or the state of New York. It's at that level, even that the law against murder is to be made, assuming that New York determines that murder is to be illegal. None of it is any of the federal government's business. Theoretically, a state could legalize murder, and it would be the right of that state to do so.

The great men who founded this nation, and wrote our Constitution, placed greater trust in the governments of states and localities to enact and enforce laws in the interests of their people, that in a distance, much-less accountable federal government.

The Confederacy did have a valid point, that within the framework of our Constitution, the federal government was acting illegally in trying to ban slavery nationwide. Until the Thirteenth Amendment was ratified, giving this authority to the federal government, the federal government had no legitimate power to tell states that they could or could not allow slavery.

This is very true. Americans have become grossly ignorant regarding how our country and its gov't is framed. I can understand how a foreigner could see our country as one giant democracy given the vast amount of political and MSM attention is given to the POTUS. When in fact, our states and local gov't should carry more weight as to the influence over everyday lives.

 

[Frankeneinstein]

see this repeated a lot on this forum. Ive never really understood this point of view and what those stating it are getting at.

It usually gets stated when some undemocratic action needs to be justified. Americans vote on everything. And they value their vote. People who vote are the democratic process.

And that might be the key word. Republic might be the title but democracy is the process. You cant have one without the other. It is nonsense to suggest otherwise.

America is a ollection of quasi independent states. But they arent really. The civil war squashed that notion. ALabama eont unilaterally invade Canada.

People who deny democracy never have a better alternative. Nor can they point to a successful society that has rejected democracy.

The process is the thing not the title.

So where in this republic is democracy not the key ingredient ?

We are not a democracy, we are a constitutional democracy, a great distinction with an even greater difference, we are the new and improved version of all those failed democracies that still plague old europe today.

In a constitutional democracy such as ours it gives us in/un-alienable rights which cannot be voted on, in fact it would be un-constitutional to do so and that makes us a better country/republic than your democracies...i.e. our Republic has fixed the loopholes/atrocities of the european lack of thought. it's intent is eliminating the burden of/on minorities by keeping the will of the majority at bay [out of the ballot box]...no doubt a foreign concept in europe.

 

[Frankeneinstein]

But you vote on everything.

We're not allowed to vote on everything.

We have a democracy in the UK. Its different to the US but its still a democracy.

You sound like Putin

 

[Stryder50]

Racist white supremacy talking points.

Objective historical facts.
They don't fit your marxist CRT & DEI propaganda.

 

[BS Filter]

I see this repeated a lot on this forum. Ive never really understood this point of view and what those stating it are getting at.

It usually gets stated when some undemocratic action needs to be justified. Americans vote on everything. And they value their vote. People who vote are the democratic process.

And that might be the key word. Republic might be the title but democracy is the process. You cant have one without the other. It is nonsense to suggest otherwise.

America is a ollection of quasi independent states. But they arent really. The civil war squashed that notion. ALabama eont unilaterally invade Canada.

People who deny democracy never have a better alternative. Nor can they point to a successful society that has rejected democracy.

The process is the thing not the title.

So where in this republic is democracy not the key ingredient ?

I agree with you that you don't understand how the USA works. Look up the words "Constitutional Republic". That should help.

 

[Captain Caveman]

People should decide that election not geography. A system that people cannot influence is doomed.
A voter in New York should have the same standing as a voter in a swing state.

The people decided on Brexit, undemocratic grave pissers disagree. Make your mind up.

 

[Calypso Jones]

 

[surada]

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Our country's named after the Italian navigator Amerigo Vespucci instead of the Italian navigator Christopher Columbus. But why? Who was Amerigo Vespucci, and what did he do?

He was an Italian merchant, born in 1454 in Florence and employed by the Medicis. They sent him to look after their ship-outfitting business, which operated out of Seville, about the time Columbus made his first voyage. In fact, the business had a part in outfitting Columbus's third voyage.

 

[PeterPilot]

I see this repeated a lot on this forum. Ive never really understood this point of view and what those stating it are getting at.

It usually gets stated when some undemocratic action needs to be justified. Americans vote on everything. And they value their vote. People who vote are the democratic process.

And that might be the key word. Republic might be the title but democracy is the process. You cant have one without the other. It is nonsense to suggest otherwise.

America is a ollection of quasi independent states. But they arent really. The civil war squashed that notion. ALabama eont unilaterally invade Canada.

People who deny democracy never have a better alternative. Nor can they point to a successful society that has rejected democracy.

The process is the thing not the title.

So where in this republic is democracy not the key ingredient ?

At least you're honest enough to admit you don't understand.

Likely you've never spent any time studying the early days of this country, and the attempts to form government in those days. There is a difference between a pure democracy and a republic. The founders were more informed than you in those points. That is why Ben Franklin, when asked what had happened in the constitutional convention of 1787, replied that they had created a republic, if the people could keep it that way.

We have a Republic, based upon democratic principles.

Sadly Franklin's suspicions were well founded. For the last 50 years, as Ike warned about in 1961, we have devolved into a belligerent plutocracy with strong fascist qualities. No more republic, no democratic principles in play. The people have not controlled the government in a very long time. The election of 2020 showed that in spades.

 

[Woodznutz]

I see this repeated a lot on this forum. Ive never really understood this point of view and what those stating it are getting at.

It usually gets stated when some undemocratic action needs to be justified. Americans vote on everything. And they value their vote. People who vote are the democratic process.

And that might be the key word. Republic might be the title but democracy is the process. You cant have one without the other. It is nonsense to suggest otherwise.

America is a ollection of quasi independent states. But they arent really. The civil war squashed that notion. ALabama eont unilaterally invade Canada.

People who deny democracy never have a better alternative. Nor can they point to a successful society that has rejected democracy.

The process is the thing not the title.

So where in this republic is democracy not the key ingredient ?

America is an oligarchy.

 

[Mac1958]

I see this repeated a lot on this forum. Ive never really understood this point of view and what those stating it are getting at.

I had been wondering why we kept seeing this strange argument here (who cares what we label this?), but over the last few weeks it's beginning to make more sense.

In a nutshell, it appears that they're trying to downplay the influence of the will of the people. This is almost certainly because they see the popular vote going against them with such regularity. They'll scream about the tyranny of the majority while they advocate for a tyranny of the minority. As usual, all we have to do to understand this is look to world history, specifically Europe of 80-90 years ago.

Evidently they have decided that the intelligent approach to politics, culture and society -- changing hearts and minds with reason and effective communication -- is beyond their capacity.

My assumption is that they're getting this from the usual source: The voices they trust.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

I had been wondering why we kept seeing this strange argument here (who cares what we label this?), but over the last few weeks it's beginning to make more sense.

In a nutshell, it appears that they're trying to downplay the influence of the will of the people. This is almost certainly because they see the popular vote going against them with such regularity. They'll scream about the tyranny of the majority while they advocate for a tyranny of the minority. As usual, all we have to do to understand this is look to world history, specifically Europe of 80-90 years ago.

Evidently they have decided that the intelligent approach to politics, culture and society -- changing hearts and minds with reason and effective communication -- is beyond their capacity.

My assumption is that they're getting this from the usual source: The voices they trust.

That is the most lucid explanation on here so far. Insurrectionists have little time for the democratic process. So denial is the obvious tactic.

 

[Mac1958]

That is the most lucid explanation on here so far. Insurrectionists have little time for the democratic process. So denial is the obvious tactic.

The voices they trust have convinced them that it's all or nothing now. Truly.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

To say that America is a Republic not a democracy is the same as saying a Mustang is a Ford, not a car.

 

[Bob Blaylock]

To say that America is a Republic not a democracy is the same as saying a Mustang is a Ford, not a car.

No, it is like saying that a Mustang is a Ford, not a Hyster.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

No, it is like saying that a Mustang is a Ford, not a Hyster.

There are many forms of democracy, a Republic is one of them.

The definition of a democracy...a system of government by the whole population or all the eligible members of a state, typically through elected representatives.

 

[my2¢]

Democracy or Republic, I look at it as 'six of one, half a dozen of the other' and not worth splitting hairs over.