Vote Bernie sanders!!! He cares for the poor and middle class

[BULLDOG]

I wish bernie would tell them that 93% of all blacks killed are killed by other blacks. Seriously, they need to work on their own bed.

Of course black on black crime is a terrible problem that needs fixing, but that doesn't make it all right for the cops, who are supposed to be professionals, to act like any other thug.

 

[BULLDOG]

I don't put people on ignore, but you are too disgusting to interact with.

I did ask Pete what he proposed to do instead... but apparently he isn't capable of rational thought.

There seem to be quite a few like that on these political sites -- I think they have some form of autism-spectrum disorder that compels them to spout foul language and ad hominem attacks whenever they're asked any question requiring logic or intelligence to answer.

Anyway, if he's unable to contribute anything meaninful to a discussion, I'm willing to block him, no problem, You?

-- Paravani

The guy hates the safetynet and everything about government...His plan is to let the corporations do as they please and if you don't work your ass off = you live on the street. I am proposing a serious expansion of this safety net using automation + AI in order to feed everyone without having to rely on work. Yes, that is futurist in nature but there's no other way as automation will likely take over most of the food industry anyways. So with the high levels of production that robotics will be cable of maybe we can use it for good.

Maybe we handle this with your id with a food chip implanted on it...OF course, I expect him and friends to attack this but in the future I don't expect there'll be enough grunt jobs in order for everyone to feed themselves. Why should people suffer when there's another way???

I expect that this will be partly funded by the tax payer in a lot of ways it will be a lot like our Military. Government tax dollars will pay corporations + government hybrid food automated centers to produce the protect...This protect then will go out to the stores so people can use their "food chip/id card" to get what they need.

People will still be able to work to better themselves but we will seriously need to rethink how we do things. I support work for self betterment and innovation but food shouldn't be at the core of it if we can help it. Pure capitalism is evil and will result in millions of dead people if we end up following it again.

The future will bring a lot of changes, but until that far off time, we need to deal with the current problems in a way that will make our gradual transition, to what ever we end up with, fair for everyone.

 

[paravani]

I'm not sure Pete notices that no one actually responds to him. I've blocked him, and the thread has greatly improved.

Gotta say goodnight now, but I'll catch up on posts in the morning.

Good going, Matthew! Great thread!

-- Paravani

 

[Gracie]

I didn't say shoot them. They should have been escorted OUT. Immediately. Period.
BernBern should have been a leader that he is trying to become. It was HIS platform, not theirs. If he will allow assholes to do that, what else will he allow because he has no balls?
We already have a wimp in the WH. We damn sure don't need another one.

Bernie knew it was his platform. He could have easily had security escort them out, but he the situation to address their complaints and gained much more support in their mutual goals. Better than just pissing off an influential group. Of course a right winger wouldn't understand that.

I'm not a "right winger". Nor a lefty. Nor an innie nor an outties nor an uppie nor a downie. He is running for POTUS. If he can't handle someone so rude as to interrupt his speech due to fear of reprisal, what else and who else will he be afraid to offend?
You can choose whomever you want by your vote. So can I. BernBern ain't one of them.

You have every right to vote for whoever you decide. I wasn't trying to convince you to vote for him. I only noted that he chose not to have them removed. You didn't expect him, or any other speaker in that position to personally wrestle them to the door, did you? No. You don't have to be macho to tell security to kick them out. If he said nothing, security would have probably kicked them out on their own. Bernie told security to stand down and he listened to what they had to say. Bernie showed much more courage by listening to them than it would take to just stand and watch security deal with the problem.

Sure. Ok. His choice. MY choice is I want someone that will stand up to morons who choose to interrupt something important to ALL of us concerning ALL our well being in the USA. POTUS. The man in charge. In my opinion, he is a wimp. I don't want another wimp in the WH. But that's me.

 

[Gracie]

I'm not a "right winger". Nor a lefty. Nor an innie nor an outties nor an uppie nor a downie. He is running for POTUS. If he can't handle someone so rude as to interrupt his speech due to fear of reprisal, what else and who else will he be afraid to offend?
You can choose whomever you want by your vote. So can I. BernBern ain't one of them.

This is pretty funny! You think Bern only listened to them because he was "afraid to offend" them?

You really don't know the first thing about the man, do you?

Let me clue you in... Bernie Sanders got his start in Civil Rights in the sixties and seventies. He marched with Martin Luther King, and he continue to trail blaze for the civil rights movement LONG before it became "cool". He's a hippie radical from the days back when hippies were killed for being radicals...

He's not afraid to offend anyone. He simply respects people who feel the need to take radical actions to be heard... because he's been there and done that and got the t-shirt.

So go ahead, vote for Trump, or Jeb, or Hillary, or any of those others who have never stood up for anything except their own white privilege. Be my guest.

-- Paravani

Well gosh. Thanks for letting ME choose who I want. And it damn sure won't be any of the above. I'll think about the ones running and listen to what they have to say when they say it, muse on it, then make my decision if I bother to at all. Lots of time to do that. But I doubledamn guarantee you it won't be Jeb or Hillary. Or BernBern.

 

[BULLDOG]

I didn't say shoot them. They should have been escorted OUT. Immediately. Period.
BernBern should have been a leader that he is trying to become. It was HIS platform, not theirs. If he will allow assholes to do that, what else will he allow because he has no balls?
We already have a wimp in the WH. We damn sure don't need another one.

Bernie knew it was his platform. He could have easily had security escort them out, but he the situation to address their complaints and gained much more support in their mutual goals. Better than just pissing off an influential group. Of course a right winger wouldn't understand that.

I'm not a "right winger". Nor a lefty. Nor an innie nor an outties nor an uppie nor a downie. He is running for POTUS. If he can't handle someone so rude as to interrupt his speech due to fear of reprisal, what else and who else will he be afraid to offend?
You can choose whomever you want by your vote. So can I. BernBern ain't one of them.

You have every right to vote for whoever you decide. I wasn't trying to convince you to vote for him. I only noted that he chose not to have them removed. You didn't expect him, or any other speaker in that position to personally wrestle them to the door, did you? No. You don't have to be macho to tell security to kick them out. If he said nothing, security would have probably kicked them out on their own. Bernie told security to stand down and he listened to what they had to say. Bernie showed much more courage by listening to them than it would take to just stand and watch security deal with the problem.

Sure. Ok. His choice. MY choice is I want someone that will stand up to morons who choose to interrupt something important to ALL of us concerning ALL our well being in the USA. POTUS. The man in charge. In my opinion, he is a wimp. I don't want another wimp in the WH. But that's me.

How hard is it, and how macho do you have to be to say "kick them out" Saying three words is hardly a display of strength.

 

[Gracie]

I didn't say shoot them. They should have been escorted OUT. Immediately. Period.
BernBern should have been a leader that he is trying to become. It was HIS platform, not theirs. If he will allow assholes to do that, what else will he allow because he has no balls?
We already have a wimp in the WH. We damn sure don't need another one.

Bernie knew it was his platform. He could have easily had security escort them out, but he the situation to address their complaints and gained much more support in their mutual goals. Better than just pissing off an influential group. Of course a right winger wouldn't understand that.

I'm not a "right winger". Nor a lefty. Nor an innie nor an outties nor an uppie nor a downie. He is running for POTUS. If he can't handle someone so rude as to interrupt his speech due to fear of reprisal, what else and who else will he be afraid to offend?
You can choose whomever you want by your vote. So can I. BernBern ain't one of them.

You have every right to vote for whoever you decide. I wasn't trying to convince you to vote for him. I only noted that he chose not to have them removed. You didn't expect him, or any other speaker in that position to personally wrestle them to the door, did you? No. You don't have to be macho to tell security to kick them out. If he said nothing, security would have probably kicked them out on their own. Bernie told security to stand down and he listened to what they had to say. Bernie showed much more courage by listening to them than it would take to just stand and watch security deal with the problem.

Sure. Ok. His choice. MY choice is I want someone that will stand up to morons who choose to interrupt something important to ALL of us concerning ALL our well being in the USA. POTUS. The man in charge. In my opinion, he is a wimp. I don't want another wimp in the WH. But that's me.

How hard is it, and how macho do you have to be to say "kick them out" Saying three words is hardly a display of strength.

Yer missing the point and I'm too sleepy to explain further.

 

[BULLDOG]

Bernie knew it was his platform. He could have easily had security escort them out, but he the situation to address their complaints and gained much more support in their mutual goals. Better than just pissing off an influential group. Of course a right winger wouldn't understand that.

I'm not a "right winger". Nor a lefty. Nor an innie nor an outties nor an uppie nor a downie. He is running for POTUS. If he can't handle someone so rude as to interrupt his speech due to fear of reprisal, what else and who else will he be afraid to offend?
You can choose whomever you want by your vote. So can I. BernBern ain't one of them.

You have every right to vote for whoever you decide. I wasn't trying to convince you to vote for him. I only noted that he chose not to have them removed. You didn't expect him, or any other speaker in that position to personally wrestle them to the door, did you? No. You don't have to be macho to tell security to kick them out. If he said nothing, security would have probably kicked them out on their own. Bernie told security to stand down and he listened to what they had to say. Bernie showed much more courage by listening to them than it would take to just stand and watch security deal with the problem.

Sure. Ok. His choice. MY choice is I want someone that will stand up to morons who choose to interrupt something important to ALL of us concerning ALL our well being in the USA. POTUS. The man in charge. In my opinion, he is a wimp. I don't want another wimp in the WH. But that's me.

How hard is it, and how macho do you have to be to say "kick them out" Saying three words is hardly a display of strength.

Yer missing the point and I'm too sleepy to explain further.

Sleep well.

 

[paravani]

Hey, if you want a white person who will kick black women, you have plenty of other choices. I'd guess every single other candidate running will be more than happy to kick those same black women off the stage.

Like I said, be my guest -- vote for one of the others in the crowd.

Me, I like Bernie. I like him even better seeing that he sticks to his guns and behaves with integrity. He practices what he preaches... and when he says "We stand together", that's what he means.

That's how he wants us to respond to any other disruptions, too -- not with violence or boos, but with the chant that "We stand together".

You want someone who will divide your ranks, and you'll find a plenty who will do that.

That's just not what Bernie's all about. Those women might have been hired by a competing campaign -- in fact one was a former Sarah Palin supporter. But they were not his enemies, and they are not our enemies either. We stand together.

-- Paravani

 

[HUGGY]

What chance in hell would Sanders have of getting anything he supports passed in this congress?

Sanders' candidacy is a joke.

 

[paravani]

Bernie Sanders has done amazingly well at inspiring people to work together in the real world. He's also talking about getting money OUT of politics by reversing the Citizens United decision and moving to publicly funded elections where private funding would be either limited or illegal.

And for anyone who doesn't believe he can win, I submit this evidence -- this rally of 28,000 people was held at the largest stadium in Portland Oregon, which was filled to capacity and overflowed into the courtyard.

Portland had only ten days notice of the rally, with very little television or radio advertising, and no PAID advertising. People learned about it mainly by word-of-mouth and social media. There has been a blackout of Bernie events on corporate-owned mass media... but people heard, and they came, by the thousands.

The result is the largest rally EVER held this early in the campaign by ANY presidential candidate. Look at that crowd -- listen to them -- listen to how they respond to him.

You don't think he can win?

I think that USMB is about to overrun with corporate-paid shills who will try to convince us that Bernie Sanders is the anti-christ!

Shall we see?

-- Paravani

 

[Stephanie]

I don't want a puss in the white house.

Which do you think takes more courage?

Shutting people up because you're not sure what they're going to say?

Or listening to them?

-- Paravani

great, maybe that mob will come to your house and make demands. They might demand they want your house. So, Make sure you stand there and let them speak. and then start packing

 

[Stephanie]

Why not set up a system of automation that makes it possible to give the basics to everyone in the country? Robots could be the key to ending work or die! basic food for all.

If humanity is to thrive, eventually we will need a "system" to supply everyone with homes, food, free education, and vouchers for basic goods like clothing and linens, paper goods, and books.

People will still want to work, perhaps self-selecting (as we do here) for writing and communication, social work, teaching, or participating in the "hive mind" on social media. (I was surprised that the "hive mind" worked astonishingly well last year, when a massive worldwide effort was needed to contain the runaway Ebola outbreak.)

There will still be plenty of work for scientists and engineers, and the wealthy will still be obscenely wealthy even after they pay their taxes... because that's just the way it always works.

But here in the US we need to get the wealthy out of politics, because their policies are turning all of our cities into slums. There is no longer a middle class who earn enough to simply paint their homes and maintain them, leaving vast swaths of this country looking like war zones and ghost towns. THAT must end!

-- Paravani

If humanity is to SURVIVE, they will need to be supplied houses, food and IF THEY decide they want to work they can?
wow. how do you pay for all that for starters if nobody IS WORKING?

 

[paravani]

If humanity is to SURVIVE, they will need to be supplied houses, food and IF THEY decide they want to work they can?
wow. how do you pay for all that for starters if nobody IS WORKING?

You really didn't read the whole thread, did you? You're just as clueless now as you were before you posted, aren't you?

Never mind.

If you can't be bothered to read what's already up there ^^^^

... yeah.

-- Paravani

 

[SAYIT]

If humanity is to SURVIVE, they will need to be supplied houses, food and IF THEY decide they want to work they can?
wow. how do you pay for all that for starters if nobody IS WORKING?

You really didn't read the whole thread, did you? You're just as clueless now as you were before you posted, aren't you?

Never mind.

If you can't be bothered to read what's already up there ^^^^

... yeah.

-- Paravani

Typical lefty pomposity. Your fellow comrade Matthew took your hyperbolic robots-will-rule-the-world silliness and used it as any card-carrying loony lefty would - free stuff. Steph had the audacity to point out that there is no such thing as a free lunch - a concept lefties clearly cannot comprehend - and you get all sanctimonious. No wonder one such as you can't understand why I find leftists to be a menace to society. Despite how you see yourself, you're just not bright enough.

 

[SAYIT]

Bernie Sanders has done amazingly well at inspiring people to work together in the real world. He's also talking about getting money OUT of politics by reversing the Citizens United decision and moving to publicly funded elections where private funding would be either limited or illegal.

And for anyone who doesn't believe he can win, I submit this evidence -- this rally of 28,000 people was held at the largest stadium in Portland Oregon, which was filled to capacity and overflowed into the courtyard.

Portland had only ten days notice of the rally, with very little television or radio advertising, and no PAID advertising. People learned about it mainly by word-of-mouth and social media. There has been a blackout of Bernie events on corporate-owned mass media... but people heard, and they came, by the thousands.

The result is the largest rally EVER held this early in the campaign by ANY presidential candidate. Look at that crowd -- listen to them -- listen to how they respond to him.

You don't think he can win?

I think that USMB is about to overrun with corporate-paid shills who will try to convince us that Bernie Sanders is the anti-christ!

Ah ... finish with the self-fulfilling prophecy. Hedging your bet I see.

 

[SAYIT]

Why not set up a system of automation that makes it possible to give the basics to everyone in the country? Robots could be the key to ending work or die! basic food for all.

If humanity is to thrive, eventually we will need a "system" to supply everyone with homes, food, free education, and vouchers for basic goods like clothing and linens, paper goods, and books.

People will still want to work, perhaps self-selecting (as we do here) for writing and communication, social work, teaching, or participating in the "hive mind" on social media. (I was surprised that the "hive mind" worked astonishingly well last year, when a massive worldwide effort was needed to contain the runaway Ebola outbreak.)

There will still be plenty of work for scientists and engineers, and the wealthy will still be obscenely wealthy even after they pay their taxes... because that's just the way it always works.

But here in the US we need to get the wealthy out of politics, because their policies are turning all of our cities into slums. There is no longer a middle class who earn enough to simply paint their homes and maintain them, leaving vast swaths of this country looking like war zones and ghost towns. THAT must end!

-- Paravani

If humanity is to SURVIVE, they will need to be supplied houses, food and IF THEY decide they want to work they can?
wow. how do you pay for all that for starters if nobody IS WORKING?

Well, from what Pav posted, we'll just download the house plans and use a virtual printer to build it! Voila!

 

[paravani]

Well, from what Pav posted, we'll just download the house plans and use a virtual printer to build it! Voila!

I guess you haven't been keeping up with the news much. You really should get out more...

Welcome to the world of robots:

Cast-in-Place Steel: Robots to 3D-Print Metal Bridge in Holland

-- Paravani

 

[ScienceRocks]

Robotics and automation could do a lot of good if we could use it to feed our population. We no longer live 60 or 100 years ago when human labor was 100% needed to produce food.

 

[ScienceRocks]

Why not set up a system of automation that makes it possible to give the basics to everyone in the country? Robots could be the key to ending work or die! basic food for all.

If humanity is to thrive, eventually we will need a "system" to supply everyone with homes, food, free education, and vouchers for basic goods like clothing and linens, paper goods, and books.

People will still want to work, perhaps self-selecting (as we do here) for writing and communication, social work, teaching, or participating in the "hive mind" on social media. (I was surprised that the "hive mind" worked astonishingly well last year, when a massive worldwide effort was needed to contain the runaway Ebola outbreak.)

There will still be plenty of work for scientists and engineers, and the wealthy will still be obscenely wealthy even after they pay their taxes... because that's just the way it always works.

But here in the US we need to get the wealthy out of politics, because their policies are turning all of our cities into slums. There is no longer a middle class who earn enough to simply paint their homes and maintain them, leaving vast swaths of this country looking like war zones and ghost towns. THAT must end!

-- Paravani

If humanity is to SURVIVE, they will need to be supplied houses, food and IF THEY decide they want to work they can?
wow. how do you pay for all that for starters if nobody IS WORKING?

Far fewer will be working...Most people that work will have a high level of education in maintaining the frame work of the automation system or some other interest. People will either drive to the store or there will be driverless trucks that will come by and unload stuff.

Of course this will probably take decades but I think it is possible.