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"Yes we could have won. We could have strategically fought them in Cambodia and North Viet Nam on the ground. But that would have cost 200,000 KIA American treasure."
Actually we did ideed fight them on the ground in Cambodia May and June '70. I took part in the operation. I'd say we kicked some serious ass. We lost aprox. 250 GI KIA's, 1200 ARVN KIA's while the NVA lost aprox. 11,000 KIA's + quite a few POW's. We also captured a tremendous amt. of weapons, ammo, food, and assorted supplies.
"Yes we could have won. We could have strategically fought them in Cambodia and North Viet Nam on the ground. But that would have cost 200,000 KIA American treasure."
Actually we did ideed fight them on the ground in Cambodia May and June '70. I took part in the operation. I'd say we kicked some serious ass. We lost aprox. 250 GI KIA's, 1200 ARVN KIA's while the NVA lost aprox. 11,000 KIA's + quite a few POW's. We also captured a tremendous amt. of weapons, ammo, food, and assorted supplies.
Harry Truman sent Americans to Korea without Congressional permission. For the sake of argument we will forget MacArthur's insane invasion and consider that in a hard fought conventional war we beat back the NK invaders in less than a year and re-established SK's borders. We could have done the same thing In South VietNam but for some reason democrats were playing politics. It was a pretend war at first. If we committed to a conventional war to establish the South Vietnam borders and rescue the people from the NV invaders it would have been clean and over. We are doing the same thing in Afghanistan today. Democrats refuse to fight a conventional war in Afghanistan even though NATO bombed the snot out of Libya to pave the way for the muslem brotherhood.
Why don't we have the same kind of films from Iraq and Afganistan? With dead and dying boys lying around?
Damn liberal media?
I have to ask, what on earth does this mean, exactly?
It's quite clear to those who know history of the war, our American history, and our Constitution.
What are you not understanding, Trajan.
dude, quote the quote correctly please, I pulled out this-Quote:YOU You contradict your comments on hearts and minds. If we had concentrated more on the average Vietnamese and family, less on the wealthy, we could have turned them away from the VC and NV.and asked what does that mean exactly? see it ?ME; I have to ask, what on earth does this mean, exactly?
what are you not understanding?
That should be up to the families, in part, but when American blood and treasure is being spent in the name of We the People then a volunteer force cannot be isolated from the rest of We the People's feelings, too.
We lost the war here at home, not on the battlefield. The American soldier, was, is, and always will be, the best on the field. God bless 'em.
God not only endowed this country with fertile land, abundant natural resources, a productive and resourceful citizenry, but from the first, with a citizen soldier that was always watchful and ready to lay down his plow and go off to fight for what was right, his land, his rights, his family, and his country.
Now after THC went off and canceled their discussion website, I refuse to watch their programming.
Why don't we have the same kind of films from Iraq and Afganistan? With dead and dying boys lying around?
Damn liberal media?
U.S.,
I'm surprised at you for saying that! Tell me, what good do you think that would do, and more to the point, do you REALLY want the families of those who have given their lives over there to see those images? You want to add that to the grief they already have to deal with? Why?
"Yes we could have won. We could have strategically fought them in Cambodia and North Viet Nam on the ground. But that would have cost 200,000 KIA American treasure."
Actually we did ideed fight them on the ground in Cambodia May and June '70. I took part in the operation. I'd say we kicked some serious ass. We lost aprox. 250 GI KIA's, 1200 ARVN KIA's while the NVA lost aprox. 11,000 KIA's + quite a few POW's. We also captured a tremendous amt. of weapons, ammo, food, and assorted supplies.
I thank you sir for your service to our country, me and my family.
God Bless you for your dedication to country and a job WELL DONE. You guys kicked ass over there and did your job.
Harry Truman sent Americans to Korea without Congressional permission. For the sake of argument we will forget MacArthur's insane invasion and consider that in a hard fought conventional war we beat back the NK invaders in less than a year and re-established SK's borders. We could have done the same thing In South VietNam but for some reason democrats were playing politics. It was a pretend war at first. If we committed to a conventional war to establish the South Vietnam borders and rescue the people from the NV invaders it would have been clean and over. We are doing the same thing in Afghanistan today. Democrats refuse to fight a conventional war in Afghanistan even though NATO bombed the snot out of Libya to pave the way for the muslem brotherhood.
Democrats?
Nixon had his hand in it also.
Secure the borders? Ever heard of the Ho Chi Minh trail? We dropped more bombs on that than all the bombs dropped in WWII and still could not make a dent on the rice eaters' highway. They had 150,000 divilians maintaining that road the entire length of it. And most of it was in other countries other than Nam.
Democrats in Afghainistan policy???
We are using the exact same policy that Bush initiated.
Why don't we have the same kind of films from Iraq and Afganistan? With dead and dying boys lying around?
Damn liberal media?
Harry Truman sent Americans to Korea without Congressional permission. For the sake of argument we will forget MacArthur's insane invasion and consider that in a hard fought conventional war we beat back the NK invaders in less than a year and re-established SK's borders. We could have done the same thing In South VietNam but for some reason democrats were playing politics. It was a pretend war at first. If we committed to a conventional war to establish the South Vietnam borders and rescue the people from the NV invaders it would have been clean and over. We are doing the same thing in Afghanistan today. Democrats refuse to fight a conventional war in Afghanistan even though NATO bombed the snot out of Libya to pave the way for the muslem brotherhood.
Democrats?
Nixon had his hand in it also.
Secure the borders? Ever heard of the Ho Chi Minh trail? We dropped more bombs on that than all the bombs dropped in WWII and still could not make a dent on the rice eaters' highway. They had 150,000 divilians maintaining that road the entire length of it. And most of it was in other countries other than Nam.
Democrats in Afghainistan policy???
We are using the exact same policy that Bush initiated.
Nixon had "a hand in it"? It was LBJ's war and he handed it to Nixon to clean up the mess with a hostile congress and riots in the streets. Congress finally withheld funding and Nixon was forced to withdraw. We bombed a jungle trail and finally dropped cancer causing defoliants and somehow it seemed like the way to run a war at the time. What do you think would happen if we opened up a conventional war in Afghanistan and ran over the God forsaken terrain with tanks and strafed every village that harbored Taliban and Alqueda? Which party would go crazy? That's right, the jack asses.
I watched this the last 3 nights and I think it will be on H2 tonight as well, but wow what a good show. It was amazing to me that we didnt win a decisive victory.
Had we have fought it like previous wars we would have been out of there in a couple years, but it was the 1st war fought from afar in DC by politicians.
We used a body count to gauge our winnings rather than planting a flag and keeping the high ground.
I was just a baby during that war, but it made an impression on me bc many of my uncles and dads friends served over threre, and they were never the same after it.
Luckily for me, my dad didnt have to go due to a birth defect... but he as labelled for life as a medical risk for the rest of his life and it was hard for him to get a job bc of it.
I know my ex girlfriends dad never spoke of it, except for one day when he and I spent it together working on his 4x4. He told me things he just couldnt tell his wife and daughter. His stories were some of the saddest things I have ever heard. He told me how he had to watch out for kids when in busy cities bc they (like Islamo facists of today) strapped their babies with bombs. He had to kill one and he never got over that. May he rest in peace... he lived a rough life after returning. It was hard for him to handle how he and his friends were treated upon returning stateside.
While watching the night before last, I cried like a baby when one of the soldiers described how they were treated at the airport upon arrival back from the tour. Frankly, so did he.. it was hard for him to speak. I felt so ashamed of my fellow Americans for that.
It was just so wrong, and it is a scar on our history that we should never forget.
To ALL of you veterans, I just want to say thanks for your service.
Please dont rep me for this thread... thats not why it is being posted.
I just have been wanting to post this and thought what better day to do it, than today.
I watched this the last 3 nights and I think it will be on H2 tonight as well, but wow what a good show. It was amazing to me that we didnt win a decisive victory.
Had we have fought it like previous wars we would have been out of there in a couple years, but it was the 1st war fought from afar in DC by politicians.
We used a body count to gauge our winnings rather than planting a flag and keeping the high ground.
I was just a baby during that war, but it made an impression on me bc many of my uncles and dads friends served over threre, and they were never the same after it.
Luckily for me, my dad didnt have to go due to a birth defect... but he as labelled for life as a medical risk for the rest of his life and it was hard for him to get a job bc of it.
I know my ex girlfriends dad never spoke of it, except for one day when he and I spent it together working on his 4x4. He told me things he just couldnt tell his wife and daughter. His stories were some of the saddest things I have ever heard. He told me how he had to watch out for kids when in busy cities bc they (like Islamo facists of today) strapped their babies with bombs. He had to kill one and he never got over that. May he rest in peace... he lived a rough life after returning. It was hard for him to handle how he and his friends were treated upon returning stateside.
While watching the night before last, I cried like a baby when one of the soldiers described how they were treated at the airport upon arrival back from the tour. Frankly, so did he.. it was hard for him to speak. I felt so ashamed of my fellow Americans for that.
It was just so wrong, and it is a scar on our history that we should never forget.
To ALL of you veterans, I just want to say thanks for your service.
Please dont rep me for this thread... thats not why it is being posted.
I just have been wanting to post this and thought what better day to do it, than today.
I truly believe if DC let the Generals on the ground run the war we would have won in Vietnam, and we would have finished in Iraq and Afghanistan years ago.