Vermont passes gun control laws that won't stop mass shooters or criminals from getting guns, stupid

[2aguy]

Vermont.....showing that the belief that anti gunners will not be appeased by common sense gun control and will simply react, as obama said about Boston police, "Stupidly".....passed several gun control laws....

None of the laws will stop criminals or mass shooters from using guns to murder people....they will not limit the ability of criminals and mass shooters to get guns....

They have deprived Americans of their Right to own guns and to use enough bullets to stop those same mass shooters and criminals.......

Anti gunners...you haven't managed to do it in the past, but let's see if you can do it now, explain how any of these laws will stop criminals or mass shooters....



BREAKING: Vermont Legislature Passes Gun Control. Republican Governor said he will sign. - The Truth About Guns

 

[JoeB131]

Oh, noes, Too Tiny Guy... people are finally standing up to the NRA bullies.

Whatever shall you do?

 

[SassyIrishLass]

And anyone wanting any of those things banned will still be able to get them.

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

Oh, noes, Too Tiny Guy... people are finally standing up to the NRA bullies.

Whatever shall you do?

Shrug.

Buy more guns.

 

[rightwinger]

Vermont.....showing that the belief that anti gunners will not be appeased by common sense gun control and will simply react, as obama said about Boston police, "Stupidly".....passed several gun control laws....

None of the laws will stop criminals or mass shooters from using guns to murder people....they will not limit the ability of criminals and mass shooters to get guns....

They have deprived Americans of their Right to own guns and to use enough bullets to stop those same mass shooters and criminals.......

Anti gunners...you haven't managed to do it in the past, but let's see if you can do it now, explain how any of these laws will stop criminals or mass shooters....



BREAKING: Vermont Legislature Passes Gun Control. Republican Governor said he will sign. - The Truth About Guns

Very true

If we want to make a significant impact on 30,000 gun deaths a year, we need to ban handguns

 

[SassyIrishLass]

Oh, noes, Too Tiny Guy... people are finally standing up to the NRA bullies.

Whatever shall you do?

Shrug.

Buy more guns.

LOL Yeah...all criminals in Vermont just said "well damn, I guess I'll go honest"

Morons...but hey the left gets a warm and fuzzy

 

[2aguy]

Vermont.....showing that the belief that anti gunners will not be appeased by common sense gun control and will simply react, as obama said about Boston police, "Stupidly".....passed several gun control laws....

None of the laws will stop criminals or mass shooters from using guns to murder people....they will not limit the ability of criminals and mass shooters to get guns....

They have deprived Americans of their Right to own guns and to use enough bullets to stop those same mass shooters and criminals.......

Anti gunners...you haven't managed to do it in the past, but let's see if you can do it now, explain how any of these laws will stop criminals or mass shooters....



BREAKING: Vermont Legislature Passes Gun Control. Republican Governor said he will sign. - The Truth About Guns

Very true

If we want to make an impact on 30,000 gun deaths a year, we need to ban handguns

Britain banned guns...their gun crime is going up, not down....

More Americans own and carry guns...our gun crime rate is going down.....

U.K.....gun crime going up...

Yorkshire sees highest number of crimes for any county in Britain according to figures

“In particular we’re shocked to see an increase of nearly 30 per cent in weapon possession offences between 2016 and 2017.”

Crimes covered violent and sexual offences, vehicle theft, public order offences, possession of weapons, shoplifting, personal theft, drug crimes, robbery, criminal damage, bicycle thefts and anti-social behaviour.


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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1223193/Culture-violence-Gun-crime-goes-89-decade.html

The latest Government figures show that the total number of firearm offences in England and Wales has increased from 5,209 in 1998/99 to 9,865 last year - a rise of 89 per cent.

The number of people injured or killed by guns, excluding air weapons, has increased from 864 in 1998/99 to a provisional figure of 1,760 in 2008/09, an increase of 104 per cent .


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Crime rise is biggest in a decade, ONS figures show

Ministers will also be concerned that the country is becoming increasingly violent in nature, with gun crime rising 23% to 6,375 offences, largely driven by an increase in the use of handguns.

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Gun crime in London increases by 42% - BBC News

Gun crime offences in London surged by 42% in the last year, according to official statistics.

Top trauma surgeon reveals shocking extent of London’s gun crime

A leading trauma surgeon has told how the number of patients treated for gunshot injuries at a major London hospital has doubled in the last five years.

----

He said the hospital’s major trauma centre had seen a bigger rise in gunshot injuries compared to knife wounds and that the average age of victims was getting younger.

-----

Last year, gun crime offences in London increased for a third year running and by 42 per cent, from 1,793 offences in 2015/16 to 2,544 offences in 2016/17. Police have seized 635 guns off the streets so far this year.

Dr Griffiths, who also teaches medical students, said: “Our numbers of victims of gun injury have doubled [since 2012]. Gunshot injuries represent about 2.5 per cent of our penetrating trauma.

-----

Dr Griffiths said the average age of gun crime victims needing treatment at the hospital had decreased from 25 to the mid to late teens since 2012.

He added that medics at the Barts Health hospital’s major trauma centre in Whitechapel had seen a bigger rise in patients with gun injuries rather than knife wounds and that most were caused by pistols or shotguns.

Met Police commander Jim Stokley, who was also invited to speak at the meeting, said that handguns and shotguns were the weapons of choice and that 46 per cent of London’s gun crime discharges were gang-related.

He said: “We believe that a lot of it is associated with the drugs trade, and by that I mean people dealing drugs at street level and disagreements between different gangs.”

Violent crime on the rise in every corner of the country, figures suggest

But analysis of the figures force by force, showed the full extent of the problem, with only one constabulary, Nottinghamshire, recording a reduction in violent offences.

The vast majority of police forces actually witnessed double digit rises in violent crime, with Northumbria posting a 95 per cent increase year on year.

Of the other forces, Durham Police recorded a 73 per cent rise; West Yorkshire was up 48 per cent; Avon and Somerset 45 per cent; Dorset 39 per cent and Warwickshire 37 per cent.

Elsewhere Humberside, South Yorkshire, Staffordshire, Essex, Hertfordshire, Kent, Wiltshire and Dyfed Powys all saw violence rise by more than a quarter year on year.




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Two men stabbed dead within hours as violent crime soars in London

The shocking attacks come as new figures revealed crime overall in London is rising, with significant increases in cases of youth violence.


A total of 35 young people under the age of 25 have been murdered in the capital in the last 12 months, an 84 per cent rise on the same period last year.

The number of cases of serious youth violence - a measure of gang activity - also rose by 18 per cent.

-----


as well as a 16 per cent rise in the number of rapes.

-------

Gun crime rose by nearly 19 per cent and the number of shootings was up by 11 per cent to 338.

==============

London now more dangerous than New York City, crime stats suggest

While both London and New York have populations of around 8 million, figures suggest you are almost six times more likely to be burgled in the British capital than in the US city, and one and a half times more likely to fall victim to a robbery.

London has almost three times the number of reported rapes and while the murder rate in New York remains higher, the gap is narrowing dramatically.


The change in fortunes of the two global cities has been put down largely to the difference in tactics adopted by the two police forces.

Both Scotland Yard and the New York City Police Department (NYPD) have just over 30,000 officers each and budgets of around £3 billion a year.

But in the mid-1990s spiralling crime rates in New York - sparked by the crack cocaine epidemic - resulted in radical a new approach being adopted by the city's police department.

Under the leadership of Mayor Rudy Giuliani, and police commissioner, Bill Bratton, the NYPD introduced a zero tolerance approach to low level crime and flooded problem areas with patrols.

The force also put a huge amount of emphasis on community policing in order to build bridges between the police and members of the public.

As a result the murder plummeted from a high in 1990 of over 2,000 to a record low of 335 last year.

That figure is expected to fall even lower this year, and is currently in line to dip below 240.

=======

 

[Auld Phart]

Vermont.....showing that the belief that anti gunners will not be appeased by common sense gun control and will simply react, as obama said about Boston police, "Stupidly".....passed several gun control laws....

None of the laws will stop criminals or mass shooters from using guns to murder people....they will not limit the ability of criminals and mass shooters to get guns....

They have deprived Americans of their Right to own guns and to use enough bullets to stop those same mass shooters and criminals.......

Anti gunners...you haven't managed to do it in the past, but let's see if you can do it now, explain how any of these laws will stop criminals or mass shooters....



BREAKING: Vermont Legislature Passes Gun Control. Republican Governor said he will sign. - The Truth About Guns

Very true

If we want to make a significant impact on 30,000 gun deaths a year, we need to ban handguns

but....

AR-15s are the scary guns.....

 

[2aguy]

Vermont.....showing that the belief that anti gunners will not be appeased by common sense gun control and will simply react, as obama said about Boston police, "Stupidly".....passed several gun control laws....

None of the laws will stop criminals or mass shooters from using guns to murder people....they will not limit the ability of criminals and mass shooters to get guns....

They have deprived Americans of their Right to own guns and to use enough bullets to stop those same mass shooters and criminals.......

Anti gunners...you haven't managed to do it in the past, but let's see if you can do it now, explain how any of these laws will stop criminals or mass shooters....



BREAKING: Vermont Legislature Passes Gun Control. Republican Governor said he will sign. - The Truth About Guns

Very true

If we want to make a significant impact on 30,000 gun deaths a year, we need to ban handguns

The U.S......gun ownership up, carrying guns over 17 million people....all gun crime is down...

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 17 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2017...guess what happened...
-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

 

[Crepitus]

Breaking news! Republican governor stands up to NRA cultists, much whining ensues!

 

[2aguy]

Vermont.....showing that the belief that anti gunners will not be appeased by common sense gun control and will simply react, as obama said about Boston police, "Stupidly".....passed several gun control laws....

None of the laws will stop criminals or mass shooters from using guns to murder people....they will not limit the ability of criminals and mass shooters to get guns....

They have deprived Americans of their Right to own guns and to use enough bullets to stop those same mass shooters and criminals.......

Anti gunners...you haven't managed to do it in the past, but let's see if you can do it now, explain how any of these laws will stop criminals or mass shooters....



BREAKING: Vermont Legislature Passes Gun Control. Republican Governor said he will sign. - The Truth About Guns

Very true

If we want to make a significant impact on 30,000 gun deaths a year, we need to ban handguns

Thanks for lying, again....the truth is of those 30,000 gun deaths, over 22,000 are suicides.....495 are gun accidents, the rest are criminals murdering other criminals.....11,004 in 2016 with 70-80% of the victims being other criminals.......

The solution isn't banning guns. the Solution is to keep violent gun criminals in jail...but the democrats keep letting them out of jail......

Opinion | I used to think gun control was the answer. My research told me otherwise.

Before I started researching gun deaths, gun-control policy used to frustrate me. I wished the National Rifle Association would stop blocking common-sense gun-control reforms such as banning assault weapons, restricting silencers, shrinking magazine sizes and all the other measures that could make guns less deadly.

Then, my colleagues and I at FiveThirtyEight spent three months analyzing all 33,000 lives ended by guns each year in the United States, and I wound up frustrated in a whole new way. We looked at what interventions might have saved those people, and the case for the policies I’d lobbied for crumbled when I examined the evidence. The best ideas left standing were narrowly tailored interventions to protect subtypes of potential victims, not broad attempts to limit the lethality of guns.

I researched the strictly tightened gun laws in Britain and Australia and concluded that they didn’t prove much about what America’s policy should be. Neither nation experienced drops in mass shootings or other gun related-crime that could be attributed to their buybacks and bans. Mass shootings were too rare in Australia for their absence after the buyback program to be clear evidence of progress. And in both Australia and Britain, the gun restrictions had an ambiguous effect on other gun-related crimes or deaths.

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Instead, I found the most hope in more narrowly tailored interventions. Potential suicide victims, women menaced by their abusive partners and kids swept up in street vendettas are all in danger from guns, but they each require different protections.

Older men, who make up the largest share of gun suicides, need better access to people who could care for them and get them help. Women endangered by specific men need to be prioritized by police, who can enforce restraining orders prohibiting these men from buying and owning guns. Younger men at risk of violence need to be identified before they take a life or lose theirs and to be connected to mentors who can help them de-escalate conflicts.

Even the most data-driven practices, such as New Orleans’ plan to identify gang members for intervention based on previous arrests and weapons seizures, wind up more personal than most policies floated. The young men at risk can be identified by an algorithm, but they have to be disarmed one by one, personally — not en masse as though they were all interchangeable. A reduction in gun deaths is most likely to come from finding smaller chances for victories and expanding those solutions as much as possible. We save lives by focusing on a range of tactics to protect the different kinds of potential victims and reforming potential killers, not from sweeping bans focused on the guns themselves.

 

[Skull Pilot]

Vermont.....showing that the belief that anti gunners will not be appeased by common sense gun control and will simply react, as obama said about Boston police, "Stupidly".....passed several gun control laws....

None of the laws will stop criminals or mass shooters from using guns to murder people....they will not limit the ability of criminals and mass shooters to get guns....

They have deprived Americans of their Right to own guns and to use enough bullets to stop those same mass shooters and criminals.......

Anti gunners...you haven't managed to do it in the past, but let's see if you can do it now, explain how any of these laws will stop criminals or mass shooters....



BREAKING: Vermont Legislature Passes Gun Control. Republican Governor said he will sign. - The Truth About Guns

Very true

If we want to make a significant impact on 30,000 gun deaths a year, we need to ban handguns

Suicide is not a crime and there is no evidence that banning any guns will lower the suicide rate

None of you people are serious about stopping gun violence because none of you people are putting any effort into lowering the murder rate where most murders happen.

 

[2aguy]

Breaking news! Republican governor stands up to NRA cultists, much whining ensues!

Hey....genius.....care to explain how anything they did would stop criminals or mass shooters....? Thought not.

You keep attacking the NRA...the NRA supports the FIX NICS act....the democrats oppose it.

California democrats passed a bill to let violent criminals out of prison early, the NRA fought against it...

The NRA trains local, state and federal law enforcement...the democrats constantly attack law enforcement and prevent them from arresting violent gun criminals.

You keep attacking the NRA...the NRA supports armed security and armed staff in the schools, the democrats oppose it.

The NRA teaches fun safety to millions of children...the democrats fight teaching gun safety to kids.

The NRA supports keeping violent gun offenders in prison, the democrats let violent gun offenders out of jail and pass laws letting them out early.

The NRA doesn't support the PROMISE PROGRAM, of obama, which allowed the shooter to get the gun...the democrats created and support the Promise program...which allowed the shooter to get his gun...

Since those are the facts, the truth and the reality.....

Of the two groups...the democrats are the ones supporting violent murder, not the NRA...

 

[toobfreak]

standing up to the NRA bullies.

NRA Bullies? Got a list of who they have bullied? I'd like to see that list.

The NRA, an All-American Family Organization that believes in one simple fact along with our Founders: That the King alone should not have the right to self-defense. So if the NRA is a "bully," then so must be George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, James Madison and Ben Franklin.

How many MILLIONS of lives have those "bullies" helped save by fighting for our rights so that we could defend ourselves from armed attackers because the Police can never be there when it happens?

JoeB131: How many millions of people will you kill if you ever get your wish of an unarmed and defenseless America?

JoeB131: the person who thinks every Colt, Ruger, Glock, Beretta, etc. handgun carried on this planet is a "machine-gun" because his brain is too fucking flat to tell the difference between a Thompson submachine gun and a simple Taurus pistol or Smith & Wesson revolver where you have to squeeze the trigger fully then release it fully then squeeze it again to even get off a second shot.

 

[rightwinger]

Vermont.....showing that the belief that anti gunners will not be appeased by common sense gun control and will simply react, as obama said about Boston police, "Stupidly".....passed several gun control laws....

None of the laws will stop criminals or mass shooters from using guns to murder people....they will not limit the ability of criminals and mass shooters to get guns....

They have deprived Americans of their Right to own guns and to use enough bullets to stop those same mass shooters and criminals.......

Anti gunners...you haven't managed to do it in the past, but let's see if you can do it now, explain how any of these laws will stop criminals or mass shooters....



BREAKING: Vermont Legislature Passes Gun Control. Republican Governor said he will sign. - The Truth About Guns

Very true

If we want to make an impact on 30,000 gun deaths a year, we need to ban handguns

Britain banned guns...their gun crime is going up, not down....

More Americans own and carry guns...our gun crime rate is going down.....

U.K.....gun crime going up...

Yorkshire sees highest number of crimes for any county in Britain according to figures

“In particular we’re shocked to see an increase of nearly 30 per cent in weapon possession offences between 2016 and 2017.”

Crimes covered violent and sexual offences, vehicle theft, public order offences, possession of weapons, shoplifting, personal theft, drug crimes, robbery, criminal damage, bicycle thefts and anti-social behaviour.


========

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1223193/Culture-violence-Gun-crime-goes-89-decade.html

The latest Government figures show that the total number of firearm offences in England and Wales has increased from 5,209 in 1998/99 to 9,865 last year - a rise of 89 per cent.

The number of people injured or killed by guns, excluding air weapons, has increased from 864 in 1998/99 to a provisional figure of 1,760 in 2008/09, an increase of 104 per cent .


========



Crime rise is biggest in a decade, ONS figures show

Ministers will also be concerned that the country is becoming increasingly violent in nature, with gun crime rising 23% to 6,375 offences, largely driven by an increase in the use of handguns.

=========



Gun crime in London increases by 42% - BBC News

Gun crime offences in London surged by 42% in the last year, according to official statistics.

Top trauma surgeon reveals shocking extent of London’s gun crime

A leading trauma surgeon has told how the number of patients treated for gunshot injuries at a major London hospital has doubled in the last five years.

----

He said the hospital’s major trauma centre had seen a bigger rise in gunshot injuries compared to knife wounds and that the average age of victims was getting younger.

-----

Last year, gun crime offences in London increased for a third year running and by 42 per cent, from 1,793 offences in 2015/16 to 2,544 offences in 2016/17. Police have seized 635 guns off the streets so far this year.

Dr Griffiths, who also teaches medical students, said: “Our numbers of victims of gun injury have doubled [since 2012]. Gunshot injuries represent about 2.5 per cent of our penetrating trauma.

-----

Dr Griffiths said the average age of gun crime victims needing treatment at the hospital had decreased from 25 to the mid to late teens since 2012.

He added that medics at the Barts Health hospital’s major trauma centre in Whitechapel had seen a bigger rise in patients with gun injuries rather than knife wounds and that most were caused by pistols or shotguns.

Met Police commander Jim Stokley, who was also invited to speak at the meeting, said that handguns and shotguns were the weapons of choice and that 46 per cent of London’s gun crime discharges were gang-related.

He said: “We believe that a lot of it is associated with the drugs trade, and by that I mean people dealing drugs at street level and disagreements between different gangs.”

Violent crime on the rise in every corner of the country, figures suggest

But analysis of the figures force by force, showed the full extent of the problem, with only one constabulary, Nottinghamshire, recording a reduction in violent offences.

The vast majority of police forces actually witnessed double digit rises in violent crime, with Northumbria posting a 95 per cent increase year on year.

Of the other forces, Durham Police recorded a 73 per cent rise; West Yorkshire was up 48 per cent; Avon and Somerset 45 per cent; Dorset 39 per cent and Warwickshire 37 per cent.

Elsewhere Humberside, South Yorkshire, Staffordshire, Essex, Hertfordshire, Kent, Wiltshire and Dyfed Powys all saw violence rise by more than a quarter year on year.




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Two men stabbed dead within hours as violent crime soars in London

The shocking attacks come as new figures revealed crime overall in London is rising, with significant increases in cases of youth violence.


A total of 35 young people under the age of 25 have been murdered in the capital in the last 12 months, an 84 per cent rise on the same period last year.

The number of cases of serious youth violence - a measure of gang activity - also rose by 18 per cent.

-----


as well as a 16 per cent rise in the number of rapes.

-------

Gun crime rose by nearly 19 per cent and the number of shootings was up by 11 per cent to 338.

==============

London now more dangerous than New York City, crime stats suggest

While both London and New York have populations of around 8 million, figures suggest you are almost six times more likely to be burgled in the British capital than in the US city, and one and a half times more likely to fall victim to a robbery.

London has almost three times the number of reported rapes and while the murder rate in New York remains higher, the gap is narrowing dramatically.


The change in fortunes of the two global cities has been put down largely to the difference in tactics adopted by the two police forces.

Both Scotland Yard and the New York City Police Department (NYPD) have just over 30,000 officers each and budgets of around £3 billion a year.

But in the mid-1990s spiralling crime rates in New York - sparked by the crack cocaine epidemic - resulted in radical a new approach being adopted by the city's police department.

Under the leadership of Mayor Rudy Giuliani, and police commissioner, Bill Bratton, the NYPD introduced a zero tolerance approach to low level crime and flooded problem areas with patrols.

The force also put a huge amount of emphasis on community policing in order to build bridges between the police and members of the public.

As a result the murder plummeted from a high in 1990 of over 2,000 to a record low of 335 last year.

That figure is expected to fall even lower this year, and is currently in line to dip below 240.

=======

We have five times the murder rate of Great Britain

I would take their gun laws in a minute

 

[rightwinger]

Vermont.....showing that the belief that anti gunners will not be appeased by common sense gun control and will simply react, as obama said about Boston police, "Stupidly".....passed several gun control laws....

None of the laws will stop criminals or mass shooters from using guns to murder people....they will not limit the ability of criminals and mass shooters to get guns....

They have deprived Americans of their Right to own guns and to use enough bullets to stop those same mass shooters and criminals.......

Anti gunners...you haven't managed to do it in the past, but let's see if you can do it now, explain how any of these laws will stop criminals or mass shooters....



BREAKING: Vermont Legislature Passes Gun Control. Republican Governor said he will sign. - The Truth About Guns

Very true

If we want to make a significant impact on 30,000 gun deaths a year, we need to ban handguns

Suicide is not a crime and there is no evidence that banning any guns will lower the suicide rate

None of you people are serious about stopping gun violence because none of you people are putting any effort into lowering the murder rate where most murders happen.

Dead is dead
Families mourn just the same

Once we get 30,000 deaths a year from people jumping out of windows, I will post 30,000 dead from jumping out of windows

Until then.......we have 30,000 gun deaths a year

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

Vermont.....showing that the belief that anti gunners will not be appeased by common sense gun control and will simply react, as obama said about Boston police, "Stupidly".....passed several gun control laws....

None of the laws will stop criminals or mass shooters from using guns to murder people....they will not limit the ability of criminals and mass shooters to get guns....

They have deprived Americans of their Right to own guns and to use enough bullets to stop those same mass shooters and criminals.......

Anti gunners...you haven't managed to do it in the past, but let's see if you can do it now, explain how any of these laws will stop criminals or mass shooters....



BREAKING: Vermont Legislature Passes Gun Control. Republican Governor said he will sign. - The Truth About Guns

Very true

If we want to make an impact on 30,000 gun deaths a year, we need to ban handguns

Britain banned guns...their gun crime is going up, not down....

More Americans own and carry guns...our gun crime rate is going down.....

U.K.....gun crime going up...

Yorkshire sees highest number of crimes for any county in Britain according to figures

“In particular we’re shocked to see an increase of nearly 30 per cent in weapon possession offences between 2016 and 2017.”

Crimes covered violent and sexual offences, vehicle theft, public order offences, possession of weapons, shoplifting, personal theft, drug crimes, robbery, criminal damage, bicycle thefts and anti-social behaviour.


========

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1223193/Culture-violence-Gun-crime-goes-89-decade.html

The latest Government figures show that the total number of firearm offences in England and Wales has increased from 5,209 in 1998/99 to 9,865 last year - a rise of 89 per cent.

The number of people injured or killed by guns, excluding air weapons, has increased from 864 in 1998/99 to a provisional figure of 1,760 in 2008/09, an increase of 104 per cent .


========



Crime rise is biggest in a decade, ONS figures show

Ministers will also be concerned that the country is becoming increasingly violent in nature, with gun crime rising 23% to 6,375 offences, largely driven by an increase in the use of handguns.

=========



Gun crime in London increases by 42% - BBC News

Gun crime offences in London surged by 42% in the last year, according to official statistics.

Top trauma surgeon reveals shocking extent of London’s gun crime

A leading trauma surgeon has told how the number of patients treated for gunshot injuries at a major London hospital has doubled in the last five years.

----

He said the hospital’s major trauma centre had seen a bigger rise in gunshot injuries compared to knife wounds and that the average age of victims was getting younger.

-----

Last year, gun crime offences in London increased for a third year running and by 42 per cent, from 1,793 offences in 2015/16 to 2,544 offences in 2016/17. Police have seized 635 guns off the streets so far this year.

Dr Griffiths, who also teaches medical students, said: “Our numbers of victims of gun injury have doubled [since 2012]. Gunshot injuries represent about 2.5 per cent of our penetrating trauma.

-----

Dr Griffiths said the average age of gun crime victims needing treatment at the hospital had decreased from 25 to the mid to late teens since 2012.

He added that medics at the Barts Health hospital’s major trauma centre in Whitechapel had seen a bigger rise in patients with gun injuries rather than knife wounds and that most were caused by pistols or shotguns.

Met Police commander Jim Stokley, who was also invited to speak at the meeting, said that handguns and shotguns were the weapons of choice and that 46 per cent of London’s gun crime discharges were gang-related.

He said: “We believe that a lot of it is associated with the drugs trade, and by that I mean people dealing drugs at street level and disagreements between different gangs.”

Violent crime on the rise in every corner of the country, figures suggest

But analysis of the figures force by force, showed the full extent of the problem, with only one constabulary, Nottinghamshire, recording a reduction in violent offences.

The vast majority of police forces actually witnessed double digit rises in violent crime, with Northumbria posting a 95 per cent increase year on year.

Of the other forces, Durham Police recorded a 73 per cent rise; West Yorkshire was up 48 per cent; Avon and Somerset 45 per cent; Dorset 39 per cent and Warwickshire 37 per cent.

Elsewhere Humberside, South Yorkshire, Staffordshire, Essex, Hertfordshire, Kent, Wiltshire and Dyfed Powys all saw violence rise by more than a quarter year on year.




-------

Two men stabbed dead within hours as violent crime soars in London

The shocking attacks come as new figures revealed crime overall in London is rising, with significant increases in cases of youth violence.


A total of 35 young people under the age of 25 have been murdered in the capital in the last 12 months, an 84 per cent rise on the same period last year.

The number of cases of serious youth violence - a measure of gang activity - also rose by 18 per cent.

-----


as well as a 16 per cent rise in the number of rapes.

-------

Gun crime rose by nearly 19 per cent and the number of shootings was up by 11 per cent to 338.

==============

London now more dangerous than New York City, crime stats suggest

While both London and New York have populations of around 8 million, figures suggest you are almost six times more likely to be burgled in the British capital than in the US city, and one and a half times more likely to fall victim to a robbery.

London has almost three times the number of reported rapes and while the murder rate in New York remains higher, the gap is narrowing dramatically.


The change in fortunes of the two global cities has been put down largely to the difference in tactics adopted by the two police forces.

Both Scotland Yard and the New York City Police Department (NYPD) have just over 30,000 officers each and budgets of around £3 billion a year.

But in the mid-1990s spiralling crime rates in New York - sparked by the crack cocaine epidemic - resulted in radical a new approach being adopted by the city's police department.

Under the leadership of Mayor Rudy Giuliani, and police commissioner, Bill Bratton, the NYPD introduced a zero tolerance approach to low level crime and flooded problem areas with patrols.

The force also put a huge amount of emphasis on community policing in order to build bridges between the police and members of the public.

As a result the murder plummeted from a high in 1990 of over 2,000 to a record low of 335 last year.

That figure is expected to fall even lower this year, and is currently in line to dip below 240.

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We have five times the murder rate of Great Britain

We have five times the population of Great Britain.

 

[Auld Phart]

Vermont.....showing that the belief that anti gunners will not be appeased by common sense gun control and will simply react, as obama said about Boston police, "Stupidly".....passed several gun control laws....

None of the laws will stop criminals or mass shooters from using guns to murder people....they will not limit the ability of criminals and mass shooters to get guns....

They have deprived Americans of their Right to own guns and to use enough bullets to stop those same mass shooters and criminals.......

Anti gunners...you haven't managed to do it in the past, but let's see if you can do it now, explain how any of these laws will stop criminals or mass shooters....



BREAKING: Vermont Legislature Passes Gun Control. Republican Governor said he will sign. - The Truth About Guns

Very true

If we want to make an impact on 30,000 gun deaths a year, we need to ban handguns

Britain banned guns...their gun crime is going up, not down....

More Americans own and carry guns...our gun crime rate is going down.....

U.K.....gun crime going up...

Yorkshire sees highest number of crimes for any county in Britain according to figures

“In particular we’re shocked to see an increase of nearly 30 per cent in weapon possession offences between 2016 and 2017.”

Crimes covered violent and sexual offences, vehicle theft, public order offences, possession of weapons, shoplifting, personal theft, drug crimes, robbery, criminal damage, bicycle thefts and anti-social behaviour.


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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1223193/Culture-violence-Gun-crime-goes-89-decade.html

The latest Government figures show that the total number of firearm offences in England and Wales has increased from 5,209 in 1998/99 to 9,865 last year - a rise of 89 per cent.

The number of people injured or killed by guns, excluding air weapons, has increased from 864 in 1998/99 to a provisional figure of 1,760 in 2008/09, an increase of 104 per cent .


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Crime rise is biggest in a decade, ONS figures show

Ministers will also be concerned that the country is becoming increasingly violent in nature, with gun crime rising 23% to 6,375 offences, largely driven by an increase in the use of handguns.

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Gun crime in London increases by 42% - BBC News

Gun crime offences in London surged by 42% in the last year, according to official statistics.

Top trauma surgeon reveals shocking extent of London’s gun crime

A leading trauma surgeon has told how the number of patients treated for gunshot injuries at a major London hospital has doubled in the last five years.

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He said the hospital’s major trauma centre had seen a bigger rise in gunshot injuries compared to knife wounds and that the average age of victims was getting younger.

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Last year, gun crime offences in London increased for a third year running and by 42 per cent, from 1,793 offences in 2015/16 to 2,544 offences in 2016/17. Police have seized 635 guns off the streets so far this year.

Dr Griffiths, who also teaches medical students, said: “Our numbers of victims of gun injury have doubled [since 2012]. Gunshot injuries represent about 2.5 per cent of our penetrating trauma.

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Dr Griffiths said the average age of gun crime victims needing treatment at the hospital had decreased from 25 to the mid to late teens since 2012.

He added that medics at the Barts Health hospital’s major trauma centre in Whitechapel had seen a bigger rise in patients with gun injuries rather than knife wounds and that most were caused by pistols or shotguns.

Met Police commander Jim Stokley, who was also invited to speak at the meeting, said that handguns and shotguns were the weapons of choice and that 46 per cent of London’s gun crime discharges were gang-related.

He said: “We believe that a lot of it is associated with the drugs trade, and by that I mean people dealing drugs at street level and disagreements between different gangs.”

Violent crime on the rise in every corner of the country, figures suggest

But analysis of the figures force by force, showed the full extent of the problem, with only one constabulary, Nottinghamshire, recording a reduction in violent offences.

The vast majority of police forces actually witnessed double digit rises in violent crime, with Northumbria posting a 95 per cent increase year on year.

Of the other forces, Durham Police recorded a 73 per cent rise; West Yorkshire was up 48 per cent; Avon and Somerset 45 per cent; Dorset 39 per cent and Warwickshire 37 per cent.

Elsewhere Humberside, South Yorkshire, Staffordshire, Essex, Hertfordshire, Kent, Wiltshire and Dyfed Powys all saw violence rise by more than a quarter year on year.




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Two men stabbed dead within hours as violent crime soars in London

The shocking attacks come as new figures revealed crime overall in London is rising, with significant increases in cases of youth violence.


A total of 35 young people under the age of 25 have been murdered in the capital in the last 12 months, an 84 per cent rise on the same period last year.

The number of cases of serious youth violence - a measure of gang activity - also rose by 18 per cent.

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as well as a 16 per cent rise in the number of rapes.

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Gun crime rose by nearly 19 per cent and the number of shootings was up by 11 per cent to 338.

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London now more dangerous than New York City, crime stats suggest

While both London and New York have populations of around 8 million, figures suggest you are almost six times more likely to be burgled in the British capital than in the US city, and one and a half times more likely to fall victim to a robbery.

London has almost three times the number of reported rapes and while the murder rate in New York remains higher, the gap is narrowing dramatically.


The change in fortunes of the two global cities has been put down largely to the difference in tactics adopted by the two police forces.

Both Scotland Yard and the New York City Police Department (NYPD) have just over 30,000 officers each and budgets of around £3 billion a year.

But in the mid-1990s spiralling crime rates in New York - sparked by the crack cocaine epidemic - resulted in radical a new approach being adopted by the city's police department.

Under the leadership of Mayor Rudy Giuliani, and police commissioner, Bill Bratton, the NYPD introduced a zero tolerance approach to low level crime and flooded problem areas with patrols.

The force also put a huge amount of emphasis on community policing in order to build bridges between the police and members of the public.

As a result the murder plummeted from a high in 1990 of over 2,000 to a record low of 335 last year.

That figure is expected to fall even lower this year, and is currently in line to dip below 240.

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America population---335.71 million
England---49.42 million


We have five times the murder rate of Great Britain

I would take their gun laws in a minute

and we have over 6 times the population.

any more lame points?

 

[2aguy]

Vermont.....showing that the belief that anti gunners will not be appeased by common sense gun control and will simply react, as obama said about Boston police, "Stupidly".....passed several gun control laws....

None of the laws will stop criminals or mass shooters from using guns to murder people....they will not limit the ability of criminals and mass shooters to get guns....

They have deprived Americans of their Right to own guns and to use enough bullets to stop those same mass shooters and criminals.......

Anti gunners...you haven't managed to do it in the past, but let's see if you can do it now, explain how any of these laws will stop criminals or mass shooters....



BREAKING: Vermont Legislature Passes Gun Control. Republican Governor said he will sign. - The Truth About Guns

Very true

If we want to make a significant impact on 30,000 gun deaths a year, we need to ban handguns

Suicide is not a crime and there is no evidence that banning any guns will lower the suicide rate

None of you people are serious about stopping gun violence because none of you people are putting any effort into lowering the murder rate where most murders happen.

Dead is dead
Families morn just the same

Once we get 30,000 deaths a year from people jumping out of windows, I will post 30,000 dead from jumping out of windows

Until then.......we have 30,000 gun deaths a year

The truth......suicide...not gun crime is the leading cause of gun death.....and countries with extreme gun control have higher suicide rates than we do..

Gun suicide..

Leading Causes of Death | WISQARS | Injury Center | CDC

2016
Gun suicide

22,938


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Gun Accidental death.....
2016:
495
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Gun murder ( 70-80% of the victims of gun murder are actual criminals, not law abiding people)

Expanded Homicide Data Table 8


2016--

11,004
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Suicide
...even though Japan, Korea, China, all have absolute gun control for law abiding citizens...only criminals and cops can have guns.......and they have higher suicide rates than we do....and our non-gun suicide rate has been higher than our gun suicide rate for 2 years in a row.....

Main tables - Eurostat

May, 2014

France....14.13

Finland...14.55

Poland....15.51

Belgium....17.28

Austria....15.26


U.S.....13.00


Gun Accidental Death...

Gun accidents....in a country with over 320,000,000 people...... with 400,000,000 guns in private hands, and over 15,700,000 people carrying guns for self defense..... 495 accidental gun deaths....

Gun murder
Of the 11,004 gun murders in this country, 70-80% of the victims are criminals, engaged in criminal activity or part of the criminal life style....and of the remaining victims....many of them are friends and family of the criminal...caught up in the criminal's lifestyle.....

 

[2aguy]

Vermont.....showing that the belief that anti gunners will not be appeased by common sense gun control and will simply react, as obama said about Boston police, "Stupidly".....passed several gun control laws....

None of the laws will stop criminals or mass shooters from using guns to murder people....they will not limit the ability of criminals and mass shooters to get guns....

They have deprived Americans of their Right to own guns and to use enough bullets to stop those same mass shooters and criminals.......

Anti gunners...you haven't managed to do it in the past, but let's see if you can do it now, explain how any of these laws will stop criminals or mass shooters....



BREAKING: Vermont Legislature Passes Gun Control. Republican Governor said he will sign. - The Truth About Guns

Very true

If we want to make an impact on 30,000 gun deaths a year, we need to ban handguns

Britain banned guns...their gun crime is going up, not down....

More Americans own and carry guns...our gun crime rate is going down.....

U.K.....gun crime going up...

Yorkshire sees highest number of crimes for any county in Britain according to figures

“In particular we’re shocked to see an increase of nearly 30 per cent in weapon possession offences between 2016 and 2017.”

Crimes covered violent and sexual offences, vehicle theft, public order offences, possession of weapons, shoplifting, personal theft, drug crimes, robbery, criminal damage, bicycle thefts and anti-social behaviour.


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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1223193/Culture-violence-Gun-crime-goes-89-decade.html

The latest Government figures show that the total number of firearm offences in England and Wales has increased from 5,209 in 1998/99 to 9,865 last year - a rise of 89 per cent.

The number of people injured or killed by guns, excluding air weapons, has increased from 864 in 1998/99 to a provisional figure of 1,760 in 2008/09, an increase of 104 per cent .


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Crime rise is biggest in a decade, ONS figures show

Ministers will also be concerned that the country is becoming increasingly violent in nature, with gun crime rising 23% to 6,375 offences, largely driven by an increase in the use of handguns.

=========



Gun crime in London increases by 42% - BBC News

Gun crime offences in London surged by 42% in the last year, according to official statistics.

Top trauma surgeon reveals shocking extent of London’s gun crime

A leading trauma surgeon has told how the number of patients treated for gunshot injuries at a major London hospital has doubled in the last five years.

----

He said the hospital’s major trauma centre had seen a bigger rise in gunshot injuries compared to knife wounds and that the average age of victims was getting younger.

-----

Last year, gun crime offences in London increased for a third year running and by 42 per cent, from 1,793 offences in 2015/16 to 2,544 offences in 2016/17. Police have seized 635 guns off the streets so far this year.

Dr Griffiths, who also teaches medical students, said: “Our numbers of victims of gun injury have doubled [since 2012]. Gunshot injuries represent about 2.5 per cent of our penetrating trauma.

-----

Dr Griffiths said the average age of gun crime victims needing treatment at the hospital had decreased from 25 to the mid to late teens since 2012.

He added that medics at the Barts Health hospital’s major trauma centre in Whitechapel had seen a bigger rise in patients with gun injuries rather than knife wounds and that most were caused by pistols or shotguns.

Met Police commander Jim Stokley, who was also invited to speak at the meeting, said that handguns and shotguns were the weapons of choice and that 46 per cent of London’s gun crime discharges were gang-related.

He said: “We believe that a lot of it is associated with the drugs trade, and by that I mean people dealing drugs at street level and disagreements between different gangs.”

Violent crime on the rise in every corner of the country, figures suggest

But analysis of the figures force by force, showed the full extent of the problem, with only one constabulary, Nottinghamshire, recording a reduction in violent offences.

The vast majority of police forces actually witnessed double digit rises in violent crime, with Northumbria posting a 95 per cent increase year on year.

Of the other forces, Durham Police recorded a 73 per cent rise; West Yorkshire was up 48 per cent; Avon and Somerset 45 per cent; Dorset 39 per cent and Warwickshire 37 per cent.

Elsewhere Humberside, South Yorkshire, Staffordshire, Essex, Hertfordshire, Kent, Wiltshire and Dyfed Powys all saw violence rise by more than a quarter year on year.




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Two men stabbed dead within hours as violent crime soars in London

The shocking attacks come as new figures revealed crime overall in London is rising, with significant increases in cases of youth violence.


A total of 35 young people under the age of 25 have been murdered in the capital in the last 12 months, an 84 per cent rise on the same period last year.

The number of cases of serious youth violence - a measure of gang activity - also rose by 18 per cent.

-----


as well as a 16 per cent rise in the number of rapes.

-------

Gun crime rose by nearly 19 per cent and the number of shootings was up by 11 per cent to 338.

==============

London now more dangerous than New York City, crime stats suggest

While both London and New York have populations of around 8 million, figures suggest you are almost six times more likely to be burgled in the British capital than in the US city, and one and a half times more likely to fall victim to a robbery.

London has almost three times the number of reported rapes and while the murder rate in New York remains higher, the gap is narrowing dramatically.


The change in fortunes of the two global cities has been put down largely to the difference in tactics adopted by the two police forces.

Both Scotland Yard and the New York City Police Department (NYPD) have just over 30,000 officers each and budgets of around £3 billion a year.

But in the mid-1990s spiralling crime rates in New York - sparked by the crack cocaine epidemic - resulted in radical a new approach being adopted by the city's police department.

Under the leadership of Mayor Rudy Giuliani, and police commissioner, Bill Bratton, the NYPD introduced a zero tolerance approach to low level crime and flooded problem areas with patrols.

The force also put a huge amount of emphasis on community policing in order to build bridges between the police and members of the public.

As a result the murder plummeted from a high in 1990 of over 2,000 to a record low of 335 last year.

That figure is expected to fall even lower this year, and is currently in line to dip below 240.

=======

We have five times the murder rate of Great Britain

I would take their gun laws in a minute

You would have to show that banning and confiscating guns in Britain lowered their gun murder rate....it didn't...

Americans owning and carrying guns lowered our gun murder rate 49%...

Britain...

Culture of violence: Gun crime goes up by 89% in a decade | Daily Mail Online

The latest Government figures show that the total number of firearm offences in England and Wales has increased from 5,209 in 1998/99 to 9,865 last year - a rise of 89 per cent.

The number of people injured or killed by guns, excluding air weapons, has increased from 864 in 1998/99 to a provisional figure of 1,760 in 2008/09, an increase of 104 per cent .


U.S....

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 17 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2017...guess what happened...
-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.