Yeah somebody posted this yesterday. Sad story.
Uh, yeah, I posted this thread, yesterday. Hitting the egg nog a little early ?
That's exactly what my post says.
Duh.
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Yeah somebody posted this yesterday. Sad story.
Uh, yeah, I posted this thread, yesterday. Hitting the egg nog a little early ?
I'm starting to wonder about you. The other day in another thread I made reference to "Michael Brown" and you thought I was talking about a dude in New Orleans.
I'm starting to wonder about you. The other day in another thread I made reference to "Michael Brown" and you thought I was talking about a dude in New Orleans.
What the FLYING FUCK dood...
Does my post not say "somebody posted this yesterday"? Yes or no?
Did you not post this story yesterday? Are you not "somebody"? Yes or no?
Cheeses Christ onna CRACKER this place is like an asylum.
I'm starting to wonder about you. The other day in another thread I made reference to "Michael Brown" and you thought I was talking about a dude in New Orleans.
What the FLYING FUCK dood...
Does my post not say "somebody posted this yesterday"? Yes or no?
Did you not post this story yesterday? Are you not "somebody"? Yes or no?
Cheeses Christ onna CRACKER this place is like an asylum.
From your post it sounded as if you were saying another thread on this was posted yesterday.
Single payer in the US can't be implemented fully anyway because of pre-existing healthcare laws and regulations, which is the same issue with the alternative of a fully private healthcare system.I said four years ago when they passed this shit it would never get implemented. If Vermont can't afford it how the hell are we supposed to do it nationwide?
You hit like a pansy, Listening.I am not even going to go into how the problem has not been defined...so the solution is never clear.
My point in posting this is that they are looking at it and they should learn some things.
Obama would have done well to look at Tenncare which has been around a long long time.
Now....
If Mass has Romneycare....
Tenn has Tenncare......
Vermont gets something.....
Are not the states doing the will of the people......
And if the will of the people in a state is that they don't want it......
Then let's scrap this mess they call Obamacare.
Glad you came around to state level health care for the people.
Good for you. And the people have ACA who can't or won't do through the state.
Shut up Jake....
I've always been for states having that conversation. That does not mean they have to do it....it's up to them.
F**k that ACA.
Got that trip to Omaha rescheduled ?
It's good to see that you are moderating.
So is Antares. That is smart of him. And you, too.
You are full of shit.
When was that Omaha trip ?
I am glad you are admitting you are moderating.
Single payer in the US can't be implemented fully anyway because of pre-existing healthcare laws and regulations, which is the same issue with the alternative of a fully private healthcare system.I said four years ago when they passed this shit it would never get implemented. If Vermont can't afford it how the hell are we supposed to do it nationwide?
To make either work in Vermont, you would have to decrease federal taxes in Vermont and no longer require the state to contribute tax payer money within the state to the federal government healthcare system.
Essentially at the moment if Vermont was to go ahead, you would have the double whammy of having to pay tax for the current flawed system as well as for the state healthcare system in Vermont.
Oh, so the only way that Vermont could hope to support a single payer system was by outside support. There was no way they could fund it with wholly internal revenue? Interesting.
Re-purposing state Medicaid funding is internal revenue. ACA exchange subsidies are not.
The fact that health care is cheaper than expected reduces the bite of both funding sources.
So, it should have moved forward...right ?
...no. Health care spending growth just reached lowest levels ever recorded last year. That means the argument that single-payer is needed to control health spending growth is diminished significantly.
Single-payer is supposed to be the white knight that saves us from what's going on now. But under what's going on now we're getting the best results we've ever seen in this country (the lowest-ever health spending growth, highest-ever insurance rates, the safest and highest quality care we've ever seen, the greatest state-level investment in health system change we've ever known).
It would've been a fine experiment, particularly for a small state, but most of the arguments for it have evaporated. They made the most sense in a pre-ACA world. But we're now in a post-ACA world. Which means most of the wind has been taken out of their sails because we're already seeing much of what they aspire to achieve.
Single-payer is largely predicated on the hope that the ACA underperforms hopes/projections. So far it's overperforming. So single-payer goes kaput (see: Vermont).
You mean taxes would have had to be raised in order to have a single-payer system ?
Color me shocked.
MONTPELIER, Vt. (AP) — Calling it the biggest disappointment of his career, Gov. Peter Shumlinsaid Wednesday he was abandoning plans to makeVermont the first state in the country with a universal, publicly funded health caresystem.
Going forward with a project four years in the making would require tax increases too big for the state to absorb, Shumlin said. The measure had been the centerpiece of the Democratic governor's agenda and was watched and rooted for by single-payer health care supporters around the country.
"I am not going (to) undermine the hope of achieving critically important health care reforms for this state by pushing prematurely for single payer when it is not the right time for Vermont," Shumlin said to reporters and two boards advising him on health care changes.
Legislation Shumlin signed in 2011 put the state on a path to move beyond the federal Affordable Care Act by 2017 to a health care system more similar to that in neighboring Canada. Shumlin adopted the mantra that access to quality health care should be "a right and not a privilege."
The legislation called for the administration to produce a plan for financing the Green Mountain Care system by 2013 but it wasn't completed until the last several days. Shumlin said it showed the plan would require an 11.5 percent payroll tax on businesses and an income tax separate from the one the state already has of up to 9.5 percent.
Governor abandons single-payer health care plan - Yahoo News
You hit like a pansy, Listening.Glad you came around to state level health care for the people.
Good for you. And the people have ACA who can't or won't do through the state.
Shut up Jake....
I've always been for states having that conversation. That does not mean they have to do it....it's up to them.
F**k that ACA.
Got that trip to Omaha rescheduled ?
It's good to see that you are moderating.
So is Antares. That is smart of him. And you, too.
You are full of shit.
When was that Omaha trip ?
I am glad you are admitting you are moderating.
I'd respond if I thought people actually took the time to read what you crap out on the board.
But since they don't.....
You mean taxes would have had to be raised in order to have a single-payer system ?
Color me shocked.
MONTPELIER, Vt. (AP) — Calling it the biggest disappointment of his career, Gov. Peter Shumlinsaid Wednesday he was abandoning plans to makeVermont the first state in the country with a universal, publicly funded health caresystem.
Going forward with a project four years in the making would require tax increases too big for the state to absorb, Shumlin said. The measure had been the centerpiece of the Democratic governor's agenda and was watched and rooted for by single-payer health care supporters around the country.
"I am not going (to) undermine the hope of achieving critically important health care reforms for this state by pushing prematurely for single payer when it is not the right time for Vermont," Shumlin said to reporters and two boards advising him on health care changes.
Legislation Shumlin signed in 2011 put the state on a path to move beyond the federal Affordable Care Act by 2017 to a health care system more similar to that in neighboring Canada. Shumlin adopted the mantra that access to quality health care should be "a right and not a privilege."
The legislation called for the administration to produce a plan for financing the Green Mountain Care system by 2013 but it wasn't completed until the last several days. Shumlin said it showed the plan would require an 11.5 percent payroll tax on businesses and an income tax separate from the one the state already has of up to 9.5 percent.
Governor abandons single-payer health care plan - Yahoo News
Color me double shocked.
Of course they would have to raise taxes to pay so everyone would have health coverage.
All those freeloaders would have to be taken care of just like the taxpayers.
Color me double shocked. Just as shocked as those Vermont taxpayers were gonna be.
Here's over performing I guess.
SNIP;
CBS poll showing health-care cost pressures increasing on Americans
posted at 6:41 pm on December 18, 2014 by Ed Morrissey
It’s been almost five years since the passage of the Affordable Care Act and its promise to “bend the cost curve downward” for Americans and their health care. More than five years have passed since the technical start of the recovery and the Obama administration’s bragging about jobs and economic expansion. The two combined should produce noticeable improvement in the lives of Americans, yes? According to the latest CBS News poll, no (via Jeff Dunetz):
Fifty-two percent of Americans say they find basic medical care affordable, but that’s down from 61 percent last December. Today, for 46 percent of Americans, paying for medical care is a hardship, up 10 points.
Similarly, just over half of Americans are at least somewhat satisfied with their health care costs, while 43 percent are dissatisfied.
Americans are feeling the cost of their health care. Fifty-two percent say the amount of money they pay for out-of-pocket health care costs — those not covered by insurance — has gone up over the past few years, including a third who say those costs have gone up a lot.
Most attribute the rise of out-of-pocket costs to more expensive medical treatment, rather than an increase in the amount of treatment they are receiving.
The cost increase is not coming from increased access to care, either. Only 14% of those responding say they are accessing more treatment than before. For 74% of respondents, health care is just more expensive. More now are less willing to see a doctor, and 78% of those choose to avoid it because of cost alone.
Satisfaction with health care has dropped over the last five years, too. Those somewhat or very satisfied has gone from 78% in September 2009 to 69% in this poll. Dissatisfaction over the quality of care has risen from 18% to 28%.
ALL of it here:
CBS poll showing health-care cost pressures increasing on Americans Hot Air
Here's over performing I guess.
SNIP;
CBS poll showing health-care cost pressures increasing on Americans
posted at 6:41 pm on December 18, 2014 by Ed Morrissey
It’s been almost five years since the passage of the Affordable Care Act and its promise to “bend the cost curve downward” for Americans and their health care. More than five years have passed since the technical start of the recovery and the Obama administration’s bragging about jobs and economic expansion. The two combined should produce noticeable improvement in the lives of Americans, yes? According to the latest CBS News poll, no (via Jeff Dunetz):
Fifty-two percent of Americans say they find basic medical care affordable, but that’s down from 61 percent last December. Today, for 46 percent of Americans, paying for medical care is a hardship, up 10 points.
Similarly, just over half of Americans are at least somewhat satisfied with their health care costs, while 43 percent are dissatisfied.
Americans are feeling the cost of their health care. Fifty-two percent say the amount of money they pay for out-of-pocket health care costs — those not covered by insurance — has gone up over the past few years, including a third who say those costs have gone up a lot.
Most attribute the rise of out-of-pocket costs to more expensive medical treatment, rather than an increase in the amount of treatment they are receiving.
The cost increase is not coming from increased access to care, either. Only 14% of those responding say they are accessing more treatment than before. For 74% of respondents, health care is just more expensive. More now are less willing to see a doctor, and 78% of those choose to avoid it because of cost alone.
Satisfaction with health care has dropped over the last five years, too. Those somewhat or very satisfied has gone from 78% in September 2009 to 69% in this poll. Dissatisfaction over the quality of care has risen from 18% to 28%.
ALL of it here:
CBS poll showing health-care cost pressures increasing on Americans Hot Air