USS liberty

[hipeter924]

settle it once and for all

(poll)

At least 70% have a reason other than a Jewish conspiracy that's a good sign.

Second thoughts: This poll goes beyond 100%....

63%+ have a reason other a Jewish conspiracy. Phew that's better.

 

[CMike]

What douche bags.

1) At least five US government agencies investigated it and concluded it was an accident.

There never has been a formal investigation of Israel's attack on the USS Liberty. There have been several informal hearings none of which included testimony from essential witnesses.

Hey douchebag?

The USS Liberty Attack

U.S. Reports
U.S. Navy Court of Inquiry, June 18, 1967" Available evidence combines to indicate the attack on the Liberty on 8 June was in fact a case of mistaken identity."

CIA Report, June 13, 1967
The attack was a mistake. In 1978, in a response to an inquiry, Director of Central Intelligence Stansfield Turner wrote: "It remains our best judgment that the Israeli attack on the U.S.S. Liberty was not made in malice toward the United States and was a mistake."


Joint Chiefs of Staff, Russ Report, June 9-20, 1967 General Russ did not make any findings about the actual attack. The report compiled all message traffic and contains no evidence that the attack was not a mistake.

Foreign Intelligence Advisory Board, Clifford Report, July 18, 1967
"The information thus far available does not reflect that the Israeli high command made a premeditated attack on a ship known to be American…. "

National Security Agency, 1981
"Liberty was mistaken for an Egyptian ship as a result of miscalculation and egregious errors."

Israeli Report
Ram Ron Commission of Inquiry, June 16, 1967
"[T]he attack on the ship by the Israeli Defense Forces was made neither maliciously nor in gross negligence, but as a result of a bona fide mistake."

 

[CMike]

http://www.fas.org/irp/nsa/liberty.pdf

Above is the actual document.

The NSA got the transcipts of the Israeli pilots.

Here it is...again.

USS Liberty incident - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

On July 2, 2003, the National Security Agency released copies of the recordings made by the EC-121 and the resultant translations and summaries.[9] These revelations were elicited as part of a Freedom of Information Act lawsuit by Florida bankruptcy judge and retired naval aviator Jay Cristol. Two linguists who were aboard the EC-121 when the recordings were made, however, have claimed separately that at least two additional tapes were made that have been excluded from the NSA releases up to and including a June 8, 2007, release.[6]

English transcripts of the released tapes indicate that Israel still believed it had hit an Egyptian supply ship even after the attack had stopped. [10] [11] After the attack, the rescue helicopters are heard relaying several urgent requests that the rescuers ask the first survivor pulled out of the water what his nationality is, and discussing whether the survivors from the attacked ship will speak Arabic. [12]

A summary report of the NSA-translated tapes [13] indicates that at 1234Z Hatzor air control began directing two Israeli Air Force helicopters to an Egyptian warship, to rescue its crew: "This ship has now been identified as Egyptian." The helicopters arrived near the ship at about 1303Z: "I see a big vessel, near it are three small vessels..." At 1308Z, Hatzor air control indicated concern about the nationality of the ship's crew: "The first matter to clarify is to find out what their nationality is." .

Also, the first rescue helicopters were Israeli.

 

[CMike]

This is the conclusion of the US Naval Court Of Inquiry into it. It's the transcript.

FINDINGS OF FACT

1. Available evidence combines to indicate the attack on
LIBERTY on 8 June was in fact a case of mistaken
identity.

Note that nowhere in this transcript of the most shameful cover-up in American military history is contained the testimony of the actual survivors of the attack, all of whom insist that the attack was deliberate. Those who might be swayed by this official-looking document need only read Lt. James Ennes' book, Assault on Liberty, to understand that you're being lied to by cowardly, self-serving government officials and Naval officers. The only real investigation of this incident was informal and was conducted by a former intelligence officer, James Bamford, and he presents the facts about this coverup quite clearly in his book, Body of Secrets.

Lt. Ennes was there. He was wounded and nearly killed by IDF personnel on torpedo boats who came so close to the ship that Ennes could read see the insignia on their sleeves, but who claimed they couldn't see an 8' x 5' American flag flying on the ship.

1) Douchebag the people on the ship had no way of knowing why they were attacked. They weren't privy to what the Israeli pilots were saying to each other and to the Israeli command center.

2) The USS Naval Court Of Inquiry does have the sworn testimony. I just posted the conclusion, because it was too long to post the whole thing.

Here is the link.

USS LIBERTY COURT OF INQUIRY

3) Douchebag in war sometimes there is something called friendly fire.

These are incidents that occurred in Iraq.

Friendly fire incidents and accidents - War on Iraq - smh.com.au

FRIENDLY FIRE INCIDENTS:

March 22: A British Royal Air Force (RAF) Tornado jet is accidentally shot down by a US Patriot missile. The Tornado's two crew are killed.

March 24: Two British soldiers are killed when their tank is mistakenly targeted by another British tank in southern Iraq.

March 27: 37 US Marines are injured when US troops mistakenly fire at each other near the southern city of Nasiriyah.

March 28: A British soldier is killed and four others are injured in the region of Basra when a US A-10 ground attack aircraft fires on them.

April 2: An F-18 US fighter jet is downed, probably by a US Patriot missile. The pilot is reported missing.

April 3: A US serviceman mistaken for an Iraqi soldier is shot dead by his own troops in central Iraq.

April 6: 18 Kurdish fighters are killed and 45 wounded near Arbil in northern Iraq when US aircraft mistakenly bomb a joint US-Kurdish convoy.

According to the website of the American War Library, just over half of the coalition troops killed or injured during the 1991 Gulf War were victims of friendly fire incidents.

Of those, about 165 US casualties were due to "friendly fire" out of a total of 367 Americans who lost their lives, it said.

OTHER INCIDENTS:

March 22: A US soldier at a camp in Kuwait lobs grenades into the tents of fellow soldiers, killing two and wounding 11 others.

March 30: 15 American soldiers are injured at a military camp in northern Kuwait when a disgruntled Egyptian employee rams a truck into the group. The truck driver sustained two gunshot wounds

The above incidents occurred when American forces accidently attacked American forces or British forces. The technology during the Iraq war between coalition forces was a lot greater than at the time of the 1967 war.

In addition to the above incidents in Iraq, the air force accidently dropped cluster bombs on the marines.

In war these things happen.

5) Anti-semitic scumbags like yourself make me sick.

I posted these facts numerous times. Any person with a tinsy bitty brain can easily tell it was an accident.

 

[Freeman]

who are the goons who vote N°1,
friendly fire who lasted 1 hour!!!!

 

[georgephillip]

"Every official interview of numerous Liberty Crewmen gave consistent evidence that indeed the Liberty was flying an American flag - and, further, the weather conditions were ideal to ensure its easy observance and identification."

Some of these same crewmen received some of the highest honors the military can bestow, including the Congressional Medal of Honor:

"McGonagle received the Medal of Honor, the highest U.S. medal, for his actions.[40][41] The Medal of Honor is generally presented by the President of the United States in the White House,[41][42] but this time it was awarded at the Washington Navy Yard by the Secretary of the Navy in an unpublicized ceremony, breaking with established tradition.[41]

"Other Liberty sailors received decorations for their actions during and after the attack, but most of the award citations omitted mention of Israel as the perpetrator.

"In 2009, however, a Silver Star awarded to crew member Terry Halbardier, who braved machine-gun and cannon fire to repair a damaged antenna that restored the ship's communications, in the award citation named Israel as the attacker."

Perhaps some of the vets here can tell the rest of us if the Silver Star and CMO are awarded for friendly fire incidents?

Liberty Incident

 

[CMike]

Once again, the sailors on the ship had no way of knowing why they were attacked.

The marines who had the air force drop cluster bombs on them by accident didn't know why they were attatked, just that they were attacked.

The British fighter didn't know why he was shot down by a US missile.

None of the people in friendly fire incidents know why they were attacked, just that they were attacked.

Here it is again, from the US Navy Court Of Inquiry.

USS LIBERTY COURT OF INQUIRY

FINDINGS OF FACT

1. Available evidence combines to indicate the attack on
LIBERTY on 8 June was in fact a case of mistaken
identity.

2. The calm conditions and slow ship speed may well have
made the American Flag difficult to identify.

3. The ship's westerly heading at the time of attack - in
the general direction of Egyptian ports may have
reinforced elements of doubt in the minds of the several
Israeli pilots who looked the ship over in the forenoon.

4. The colors were shot down early in the action and were
replaced prior to the PT attack.

5. The immediate confusion milling around astern followed
by peaceful

[161]

overtures by the attacking surface forces after launching
only two torpedoes of the six presumed available (two on
each PT boat), indicate these craft may well have identified
the colors for the first time when they got in close enough
to see clearly through the smoke and flames billowing, at
times above the mast head.

6. There are no available indications that the attack was
intended against a U. S. Ship.

7. LIBERTY'S position at the time of the attack has been
previously ordered changed farther to seaward by JCS;
however, the messages relating to these changes were not
known to the ship before the attack took place. The reasons
these messages were not known to the ship can be determined
in all instances except for one. Since LIBERTY records and
knowledgeable personnel were lost in the action, it is
impossible to determine the disposition of the message.

8. The communication delays and mis-routing errors which
caused these several non-deliveries combined with delays in
initiating follow-up actions on operational instructions
received, all contributed to the ship itself being unaware
of plans and decisions made for her repositioning. A
detailed accounting of the five pertinent messages are
attached as appendices one through five.

 

[P F Tinmore]

This is just another incident where the official narrative does not match the facts on the ground.

 

[eots]

yes we all read the cover-up

 

[georgephillip]

Once again, the sailors on the ship had no way of knowing why they were attacked.

The marines who had the air force drop cluster bombs on them by accident didn't know why they were attatked, just that they were attacked.

The British fighter didn't know why he was shot down by a US missile.

None of the people in friendly fire incidents know why they were attacked, just that they were attacked.

Here it is again, from the US Navy Court Of Inquiry.

USS LIBERTY COURT OF INQUIRY

FINDINGS OF FACT

1. Available evidence combines to indicate the attack on
LIBERTY on 8 June was in fact a case of mistaken
identity.

2. The calm conditions and slow ship speed may well have
made the American Flag difficult to identify.

3. The ship's westerly heading at the time of attack - in
the general direction of Egyptian ports may have
reinforced elements of doubt in the minds of the several
Israeli pilots who looked the ship over in the forenoon.

4. The colors were shot down early in the action and were
replaced prior to the PT attack.

5. The immediate confusion milling around astern followed
by peaceful

[161]

overtures by the attacking surface forces after launching
only two torpedoes of the six presumed available (two on
each PT boat), indicate these craft may well have identified
the colors for the first time when they got in close enough
to see clearly through the smoke and flames billowing, at
times above the mast head.

6. There are no available indications that the attack was
intended against a U. S. Ship.

7. LIBERTY'S position at the time of the attack has been
previously ordered changed farther to seaward by JCS;
however, the messages relating to these changes were not
known to the ship before the attack took place. The reasons
these messages were not known to the ship can be determined
in all instances except for one. Since LIBERTY records and
knowledgeable personnel were lost in the action, it is
impossible to determine the disposition of the message.

8. The communication delays and mis-routing errors which
caused these several non-deliveries combined with delays in
initiating follow-up actions on operational instructions
received, all contributed to the ship itself being unaware
of plans and decisions made for her repositioning. A
detailed accounting of the five pertinent messages are
attached as appendices one through five.

"During the morning of the attack, early June 8, the ship was overflown by Israeli Air Force (IAF) aircraft including a Nord Noratlas "flying boxcar" and Mirage III jet fighters eight times.[20][21] At least some of those flybys were from a close range...

"Many Liberty crewmen gave testimony that one of the aircraft flew so close to Liberty that its propellers rattled the deck plating of the ship, and the pilots waved to the crew of Liberty, and the crewmen waved back."

If it's true your heroic Jews machine-gunned life rafts filled with wounded Americans, would you still defend them?

 

[CMike]

That's where in the us navy court of inquiry testimony?

 

[eots]

I put other because the u.s government was complicit in the cover -up

 

[The Rabbi]

Can we take everyone who voted that it was a Jewish conspiracy and throw them in mental institutitions? Can we administer drug treatments to restore their lost sanity?

 

[hipeter924]

Can we take everyone who voted that it was a Jewish conspiracy and throw them in mental institutitions? Can we administer drug treatments to restore their lost sanity?

We should, but the vast majority of western governments are too stupid and incompetent to do such a thing.

 

[eots]

Can we take everyone who voted that it was a Jewish conspiracy and throw them in mental institutitions? Can we administer drug treatments to restore their lost sanity?

We should, but the vast majority of western governments are too stupid and incompetent to do such a thing.

awe the final solution....

 

[Kalam]

Can we take everyone who voted that it was a Jewish conspiracy and throw them in mental institutitions? Can we administer drug treatments to restore their lost sanity?

We should, but the vast majority of western governments are too stupid and incompetent to do such a thing.

awe the final solution....

It's different when Jews do it. Trust me.

 

[The Rabbi]

Can we take everyone who voted that it was a Jewish conspiracy and throw them in mental institutitions? Can we administer drug treatments to restore their lost sanity?

We should, but the vast majority of western governments are too stupid and incompetent to do such a thing.

awe the final solution....

The final solution to stupidity, you mean. Anyone who believes such a thing needs to be medicated.

 

[eots]

We should, but the vast majority of western governments are too stupid and incompetent to do such a thing.

awe the final solution....

The final solution to stupidity, you mean. Anyone who believes such a thing needs to be medicated.

No way man..anyone who doesn't believe it needs to be medicated..so there...told you...guess that settles that...

 

[hipeter924]

awe the final solution....

The final solution to stupidity, you mean. Anyone who believes such a thing needs to be medicated.

No way man..anyone who doesn't believe it needs to be medicated..so there...told you...guess that settles that...

People like you wouldn't be let near needles.

 

[eots]

The final solution to stupidity, you mean. Anyone who believes such a thing needs to be medicated.

No way man..anyone who doesn't believe it needs to be medicated..so there...told you...guess that settles that...

People like you wouldn't be let near needles.

No way people like you wouldn't be let near needles...ha !..fixed yer wagon , never saw that one coming.. did ya... who's crying now ?