US EXPELS 35 Russian diplomats, closes two compounds.

[EverCurious]

I agree getting caught in a Phish is stupid, though it's still generically called hacking by laymen so ya know calling folks out on it like that is a bit disingenuous.

Either way, the admin is indeed pointing out hacking because they're trying to claim that the Russian government wrote and used the publicly available malware. /THAT/ part is pretty much bullshit I agree.

 

[badger2]

Because of insufficient privileges to post on the Clinton Crime thread (which has been seriously truncated), we mention this current item:

2 Jan 2017 Attorney for Suspect in Brittanee Drexel Case Arrested
Attorney for suspect in Brittanee Drexel case arrested
'....cocaine....'

 

[Flopper]

It appears to be same disclaimer on all JAR's. Since this like most JAR's contain mostly recommendations on security as well as product names, such a disclaimer seems reasonable.

If President Obama has no evidence that he can make public then why say anything at all? This whole thing looks like it's motivated by petty domestic political considerations. It would certainly be more compelling if he could do something like this.

The more information released the more difficult it would be for Trump to bury it.

I think the question no one seems to be asking is why is Trump trying to make an ally out of Putin? Russia has little interest in trade deals with the US. They are not a major trading partner. In fact, we share very little common interest with Russia except nuclear arms reduction. Their goals in the Middle East, Eastern Europe, and Asian are just about the opposite on ours.

Political, Trump own party is more closely aligned with Obama's actions toward Russian. In fact, the biggest complaint about Obama's foreign policy is his lack of retaliation in response to Russian aggression. Which brings up another question, at a time when Trump is going to be asking congress for a slew of confirmations of appointments, help with immigration and his wall, tax cuts, spending increases and a dozen other domestic issues, why is he setting himself up for a battle with his own party in congress over Russia?

China

What does China have to do with Trump buddying up with Putin?

Trump want to work with Russia against China, pressure China. Close closer bonds between russia and china are not the US advantage. Having a strong ally against china is.

Trump obviously took a chapter from Kissinger's book

Relations between China and Russia have never been better. Unlike the US, Russia has recognized China's claims in Tibet and Taiwan and China has backed Russian actions to support Assad and activities in the Ukraine. China and Russia have had a long history of supplying arms to nations hostile to the US. Within the last few years China has made massive investments in Russia and China has become a major buyer of Russian oil and gas. Both nations have mutual trade and defense treaties with each other as well as North Korea. The fact that China and Russia are the only two major powers that remain communist and Putin is a devoted communist, makes any alliance between the US and Russia against China very unlikely.

I believe Trump's relationship with Putin was created during the campaign more by accident than plan. Democrats attacked him for his comments about his respect for Putin and Trump in some tweets praised Putin as a person he could work with. Democrats continued to paint Trump as a supporter and confidant of a US advisory and Trump responded in order to oppose Obama who has been at odds with Putin.

After Trump is inaugurated, he will move away from Putin because it is not in the US interest nor his to align ourselves with a nation whose goals are contrary to ours.

 

[aris2chat]

If President Obama has no evidence that he can make public then why say anything at all? This whole thing looks like it's motivated by petty domestic political considerations. It would certainly be more compelling if he could do something like this.

The more information released the more difficult it would be for Trump to bury it.

I think the question no one seems to be asking is why is Trump trying to make an ally out of Putin? Russia has little interest in trade deals with the US. They are not a major trading partner. In fact, we share very little common interest with Russia except nuclear arms reduction. Their goals in the Middle East, Eastern Europe, and Asian are just about the opposite on ours.

Political, Trump own party is more closely aligned with Obama's actions toward Russian. In fact, the biggest complaint about Obama's foreign policy is his lack of retaliation in response to Russian aggression. Which brings up another question, at a time when Trump is going to be asking congress for a slew of confirmations of appointments, help with immigration and his wall, tax cuts, spending increases and a dozen other domestic issues, why is he setting himself up for a battle with his own party in congress over Russia?

China

What does China have to do with Trump buddying up with Putin?

Trump want to work with Russia against China, pressure China. Close closer bonds between russia and china are not the US advantage. Having a strong ally against china is.

Trump obviously took a chapter from Kissinger's book

Relations between China and Russia have never been better. Unlike the US, Russia has recognized China's claims in Tibet and Taiwan and China has backed Russian actions to support Assad and activities in the Ukraine. China and Russia have had a long history of supplying arms to nations hostile to the US. Within the last few years China has made massive investments in Russia and China has become a major buyer of Russian oil and gas. Both nations have mutual trade and defense treaties with each other as well as North Korea. The fact that China and Russia are the only two major powers that remain communist and Putin is a devoted communist, makes any alliance between the US and Russia against China very unlikely.

I believe Trump's relationship with Putin was created during the campaign more by accident than plan. Democrats attacked him for his comments about his respect for Putin and Trump in some tweets praised Putin as a person he could work with. Democrats continued to paint Trump as a supporter and confidant of a US advisory and Trump responded in order to oppose Obama who has been at odds with Putin.

After Trump is inaugurated, he will move away from Putin because it is not in the US interest nor his to align ourselves with a nation whose goals are contrary to ours.

yet military expansion in the pacific and NK working on nuclear ballistic missiles are not at all welcoming to Russia.
Now is the best time to wedge them apart before we have no leverage at all ........... anywhere

 

[badger2]

One can contemplate CIA's James Jesus Angleton's idea that the Sino-Soviet split was a farce, was propaganda, whereas others would tend to disagree. Geographic, one suggested text is Alexander Lukin's The Bear Watches the Dragon. On the now-defunct Clinton crime thread, we had pointed to Samuel Cummings for arms sales, though Alex Jones has a current broader view of politics with his report on Abu Abdullah al Kosovi. The Albanian link to the Clinton cocaine legacy, as was shown on the defunct thread, was at Oliver Springs, Tennessee, which is the link to Mena, Arkansas, and links SOE's Julian Amery, the Albanian SOE operation remaining quite obscure from historical elucidation. The 680 kilograms of Ecuadorian cocaine intercepted at Guatemala on New Year's Eve, 2016, means that it was headed for the U.S.

We think that ISIS routes into Europe are also drug routes, another example of splittinig is reported here:

Heroin Smuggled Through Kosovo, Cocaine Through Albania
Heroin smuggled through Kosovo, cocaine through Albania – Rexhepi | InSerbia News

 

[badger2]

1700 intelligence agencies would still be shaken at their foundations, because the 2016 vote was not collective interest, but collective desire. The term "surreal" will not suffice to describe it. That is why reactionary forces grind their propaganda gears and start up again to divert attention from this phenomenon by focusing on DNC hacking. This focus is an application of Oedipus, a overlain mask that will now invoke the authoritarian voice called "high-level briefing."

 

[EverCurious]

Alright, I'm curious badger2. Who is Jocasta?

 

[Flopper]

Sa

It appears to be same disclaimer on all JAR's. Since this like most JAR's contain mostly recommendations on security as well as product names, such a disclaimer seems reasonable.

If President Obama has no evidence that he can make public then why say anything at all? This whole thing looks like it's motivated by petty domestic political considerations. It would certainly be more compelling if he could do something like this.

The more information released the more difficult it would be for Trump to bury it.

I think the question no one seems to be asking is why is Trump trying to make an ally out of Putin? Russia has little interest in trade deals with the US. They are not a major trading partner. In fact, we share very little common interest with Russia except nuclear arms reduction. Their goals in the Middle East, Eastern Europe, and Asian are just about the opposite on ours.

Political, Trump own party is more closely aligned with Obama's actions toward Russian. In fact, the biggest complaint about Obama's foreign policy is his lack of retaliation in response to Russian aggression. Which brings up another question, at a time when Trump is going to be asking congress for a slew of confirmations of appointments, help with immigration and his wall, tax cuts, spending increases and a dozen other domestic issues, why is he setting himself up for a battle with his own party in congress over Russia?

The fact that the Russians have thousands of nuclear weapons pointed at us should be more than reason enough to seek a better relationship with them. I think politicians who use this incident to increase tensions for their own petty political purposes should be arrested and shot as traitors.

A candidate or the president elect can not improve diplomatic relations with a foreign power via tweets and campaign rhetoric because he does not have all the information, nor does he have the responsibility or the power to do so. When Trump is president in a few weeks, he will have full access to all intelligence. If he feels it's in the best interest of the US to ally this country with Putin then he certainly has the right to do so. It will then be his responsibility in which he must live with the results, good or bad.

Says who? You? Forgive me while I lose my bowels over that

The more information released the more difficult it would be for Trump to bury it.

I think the question no one seems to be asking is why is Trump trying to make an ally out of Putin? Russia has little interest in trade deals with the US. They are not a major trading partner. In fact, we share very little common interest with Russia except nuclear arms reduction. Their goals in the Middle East, Eastern Europe, and Asian are just about the opposite on ours.

Political, Trump own party is more closely aligned with Obama's actions toward Russian. In fact, the biggest complaint about Obama's foreign policy is his lack of retaliation in response to Russian aggression. Which brings up another question, at a time when Trump is going to be asking congress for a slew of confirmations of appointments, help with immigration and his wall, tax cuts, spending increases and a dozen other domestic issues, why is he setting himself up for a battle with his own party in congress over Russia?

China

What does China have to do with Trump buddying up with Putin?

Trump want to work with Russia against China, pressure China. Close closer bonds between russia and china are not the US advantage. Having a strong ally against china is.

Trump obviously took a chapter from Kissinger's book

Relations between China and Russia have never been better. Unlike the US, Russia has recognized China's claims in Tibet and Taiwan and China has backed Russian actions to support Assad and activities in the Ukraine. China and Russia have had a long history of supplying arms to nations hostile to the US. Within the last few years China has made massive investments in Russia and China has become a major buyer of Russian oil and gas. Both nations have mutual trade and defense treaties with each other as well as North Korea. The fact that China and Russia are the only two major powers that remain communist and Putin is a devoted communist, makes any alliance between the US and Russia against China very unlikely.

I believe Trump's relationship with Putin was created during the campaign more by accident than plan. Democrats attacked him for his comments about his respect for Putin and Trump in some tweets praised Putin as a person he could work with. Democrats continued to paint Trump as a supporter and confidant of a US advisory and Trump responded in order to oppose Obama who has been at odds with Putin.

After Trump is inaugurated, he will move away from Putin because it is not in the US interest nor his to align ourselves with a nation whose goals are contrary to ours.

yet military expansion in the pacific and NK working on nuclear ballistic missiles are not at all welcoming to Russia.
Now is the best time to wedge them apart before we have no leverage at all ........... anywhere

North Korea's ascension to the status of a nuclear power is unwelcome by both China and Russia and most other nations. Russia as well as China have significant economic and security interest in North Korea. Image sharing a border with a country whose leader is as unpredictable as Trump and is intent on building a nuclear arsenal and using it to become a world power.

 

[aris2chat]

Alright, I'm curious badger2. Who is Jocasta?

Oedipus' mother

 

[beagle9]

Sa

If President Obama has no evidence that he can make public then why say anything at all? This whole thing looks like it's motivated by petty domestic political considerations. It would certainly be more compelling if he could do something like this.

The more information released the more difficult it would be for Trump to bury it.

I think the question no one seems to be asking is why is Trump trying to make an ally out of Putin? Russia has little interest in trade deals with the US. They are not a major trading partner. In fact, we share very little common interest with Russia except nuclear arms reduction. Their goals in the Middle East, Eastern Europe, and Asian are just about the opposite on ours.

Political, Trump own party is more closely aligned with Obama's actions toward Russian. In fact, the biggest complaint about Obama's foreign policy is his lack of retaliation in response to Russian aggression. Which brings up another question, at a time when Trump is going to be asking congress for a slew of confirmations of appointments, help with immigration and his wall, tax cuts, spending increases and a dozen other domestic issues, why is he setting himself up for a battle with his own party in congress over Russia?

The fact that the Russians have thousands of nuclear weapons pointed at us should be more than reason enough to seek a better relationship with them. I think politicians who use this incident to increase tensions for their own petty political purposes should be arrested and shot as traitors.

A candidate or the president elect can not improve diplomatic relations with a foreign power via tweets and campaign rhetoric because he does not have all the information, nor does he have the responsibility or the power to do so. When Trump is president in a few weeks, he will have full access to all intelligence. If he feels it's in the best interest of the US to ally this country with Putin then he certainly has the right to do so. It will then be his responsibility in which he must live with the results, good or bad.

Says who? You? Forgive me while I lose my bowels over that

China

What does China have to do with Trump buddying up with Putin?

Trump want to work with Russia against China, pressure China. Close closer bonds between russia and china are not the US advantage. Having a strong ally against china is.

Trump obviously took a chapter from Kissinger's book

Relations between China and Russia have never been better. Unlike the US, Russia has recognized China's claims in Tibet and Taiwan and China has backed Russian actions to support Assad and activities in the Ukraine. China and Russia have had a long history of supplying arms to nations hostile to the US. Within the last few years China has made massive investments in Russia and China has become a major buyer of Russian oil and gas. Both nations have mutual trade and defense treaties with each other as well as North Korea. The fact that China and Russia are the only two major powers that remain communist and Putin is a devoted communist, makes any alliance between the US and Russia against China very unlikely.

I believe Trump's relationship with Putin was created during the campaign more by accident than plan. Democrats attacked him for his comments about his respect for Putin and Trump in some tweets praised Putin as a person he could work with. Democrats continued to paint Trump as a supporter and confidant of a US advisory and Trump responded in order to oppose Obama who has been at odds with Putin.

After Trump is inaugurated, he will move away from Putin because it is not in the US interest nor his to align ourselves with a nation whose goals are contrary to ours.

yet military expansion in the pacific and NK working on nuclear ballistic missiles are not at all welcoming to Russia.
Now is the best time to wedge them apart before we have no leverage at all ........... anywhere

North Korea's ascension to the status of a nuclear power is unwelcome by both China and Russia and most other nations. Russia as well as China have significant economic and security interest in North Korea. Image sharing a border with a country whose leader is as unpredictable as Trump and is intent on building a nuclear arsenal and using it to become a world power.

. Is NK a proxy for China, where as if they (China) wanted to test us or to start something with us, then will they just use NK in order to get it going on maybe ??

 

[Flopper]

Sa

The more information released the more difficult it would be for Trump to bury it.

I think the question no one seems to be asking is why is Trump trying to make an ally out of Putin? Russia has little interest in trade deals with the US. They are not a major trading partner. In fact, we share very little common interest with Russia except nuclear arms reduction. Their goals in the Middle East, Eastern Europe, and Asian are just about the opposite on ours.

Political, Trump own party is more closely aligned with Obama's actions toward Russian. In fact, the biggest complaint about Obama's foreign policy is his lack of retaliation in response to Russian aggression. Which brings up another question, at a time when Trump is going to be asking congress for a slew of confirmations of appointments, help with immigration and his wall, tax cuts, spending increases and a dozen other domestic issues, why is he setting himself up for a battle with his own party in congress over Russia?

The fact that the Russians have thousands of nuclear weapons pointed at us should be more than reason enough to seek a better relationship with them. I think politicians who use this incident to increase tensions for their own petty political purposes should be arrested and shot as traitors.

A candidate or the president elect can not improve diplomatic relations with a foreign power via tweets and campaign rhetoric because he does not have all the information, nor does he have the responsibility or the power to do so. When Trump is president in a few weeks, he will have full access to all intelligence. If he feels it's in the best interest of the US to ally this country with Putin then he certainly has the right to do so. It will then be his responsibility in which he must live with the results, good or bad.

Says who? You? Forgive me while I lose my bowels over that

What does China have to do with Trump buddying up with Putin?

Trump want to work with Russia against China, pressure China. Close closer bonds between russia and china are not the US advantage. Having a strong ally against china is.

Trump obviously took a chapter from Kissinger's book

Relations between China and Russia have never been better. Unlike the US, Russia has recognized China's claims in Tibet and Taiwan and China has backed Russian actions to support Assad and activities in the Ukraine. China and Russia have had a long history of supplying arms to nations hostile to the US. Within the last few years China has made massive investments in Russia and China has become a major buyer of Russian oil and gas. Both nations have mutual trade and defense treaties with each other as well as North Korea. The fact that China and Russia are the only two major powers that remain communist and Putin is a devoted communist, makes any alliance between the US and Russia against China very unlikely.

I believe Trump's relationship with Putin was created during the campaign more by accident than plan. Democrats attacked him for his comments about his respect for Putin and Trump in some tweets praised Putin as a person he could work with. Democrats continued to paint Trump as a supporter and confidant of a US advisory and Trump responded in order to oppose Obama who has been at odds with Putin.

After Trump is inaugurated, he will move away from Putin because it is not in the US interest nor his to align ourselves with a nation whose goals are contrary to ours.

yet military expansion in the pacific and NK working on nuclear ballistic missiles are not at all welcoming to Russia.
Now is the best time to wedge them apart before we have no leverage at all ........... anywhere

North Korea's ascension to the status of a nuclear power is unwelcome by both China and Russia and most other nations. Russia as well as China have significant economic and security interest in North Korea. Image sharing a border with a country whose leader is as unpredictable as Trump and is intent on building a nuclear arsenal and using it to become a world power.

. Is NK a proxy for China, where as if they (China) wanted to test us or to start something with us, then will they just use NK in order to get it going on maybe ??

Why in the world would China want NK to put a military move on the US or our allies in the region? China's trade with the NK amounts to only about .5 billion dollars while trade with the US and it's allies in the region, South Korea and Japan amounts to more than a trillion dollars. The US, South Korea, and Japan are China's largest trading partners. Any military move NK might make in the area could serious damage the Chinese economy.

 

[aris2chat]

Sa

The more information released the more difficult it would be for Trump to bury it.

I think the question no one seems to be asking is why is Trump trying to make an ally out of Putin? Russia has little interest in trade deals with the US. They are not a major trading partner. In fact, we share very little common interest with Russia except nuclear arms reduction. Their goals in the Middle East, Eastern Europe, and Asian are just about the opposite on ours.

Political, Trump own party is more closely aligned with Obama's actions toward Russian. In fact, the biggest complaint about Obama's foreign policy is his lack of retaliation in response to Russian aggression. Which brings up another question, at a time when Trump is going to be asking congress for a slew of confirmations of appointments, help with immigration and his wall, tax cuts, spending increases and a dozen other domestic issues, why is he setting himself up for a battle with his own party in congress over Russia?

The fact that the Russians have thousands of nuclear weapons pointed at us should be more than reason enough to seek a better relationship with them. I think politicians who use this incident to increase tensions for their own petty political purposes should be arrested and shot as traitors.

A candidate or the president elect can not improve diplomatic relations with a foreign power via tweets and campaign rhetoric because he does not have all the information, nor does he have the responsibility or the power to do so. When Trump is president in a few weeks, he will have full access to all intelligence. If he feels it's in the best interest of the US to ally this country with Putin then he certainly has the right to do so. It will then be his responsibility in which he must live with the results, good or bad.

Says who? You? Forgive me while I lose my bowels over that

What does China have to do with Trump buddying up with Putin?

Trump want to work with Russia against China, pressure China. Close closer bonds between russia and china are not the US advantage. Having a strong ally against china is.

Trump obviously took a chapter from Kissinger's book

Relations between China and Russia have never been better. Unlike the US, Russia has recognized China's claims in Tibet and Taiwan and China has backed Russian actions to support Assad and activities in the Ukraine. China and Russia have had a long history of supplying arms to nations hostile to the US. Within the last few years China has made massive investments in Russia and China has become a major buyer of Russian oil and gas. Both nations have mutual trade and defense treaties with each other as well as North Korea. The fact that China and Russia are the only two major powers that remain communist and Putin is a devoted communist, makes any alliance between the US and Russia against China very unlikely.

I believe Trump's relationship with Putin was created during the campaign more by accident than plan. Democrats attacked him for his comments about his respect for Putin and Trump in some tweets praised Putin as a person he could work with. Democrats continued to paint Trump as a supporter and confidant of a US advisory and Trump responded in order to oppose Obama who has been at odds with Putin.

After Trump is inaugurated, he will move away from Putin because it is not in the US interest nor his to align ourselves with a nation whose goals are contrary to ours.

yet military expansion in the pacific and NK working on nuclear ballistic missiles are not at all welcoming to Russia.
Now is the best time to wedge them apart before we have no leverage at all ........... anywhere

North Korea's ascension to the status of a nuclear power is unwelcome by both China and Russia and most other nations. Russia as well as China have significant economic and security interest in North Korea. Image sharing a border with a country whose leader is as unpredictable as Trump and is intent on building a nuclear arsenal and using it to become a world power.

. Is NK a proxy for China, where as if they (China) wanted to test us or to start something with us, then will they just use NK in order to get it going on maybe ??

time for bull in the china store

 

[badger2]

Oedipus is always an application in the strictest sense. " That's what you really wanted, Jocasta!." That is why intelligence forces, having placed the legitimacy of the election in question with hacking by Russia, will now act as the Clinton's penis-shield when they attend the Trump inauguration. It is a symbol of autoimmunity just right for the occasion. The expelling of the 35 is a variation on the theme that the prisoners are not allowed to claim anything they did on their own, such as the 2016 election. The authoritarian project is to introduce sad effects, doubt and troubled spirit at every turn in lieu of the prisoners realizing what actually happened: desire itself is revolutionary, and can destroy entire sectors.

 

[EverCurious]

Hmmm I suppose in their arrogance of godliness believe that the people will never see the truth in all this - and perhaps their ego's are somewhat justified given the reporting of the MSM, and true too the MSM does appear to be hanging itself these days. We can only hope the curtain falls soon on this modern tragedy heh

 

[beagle9]

Sa

The fact that the Russians have thousands of nuclear weapons pointed at us should be more than reason enough to seek a better relationship with them. I think politicians who use this incident to increase tensions for their own petty political purposes should be arrested and shot as traitors.

A candidate or the president elect can not improve diplomatic relations with a foreign power via tweets and campaign rhetoric because he does not have all the information, nor does he have the responsibility or the power to do so. When Trump is president in a few weeks, he will have full access to all intelligence. If he feels it's in the best interest of the US to ally this country with Putin then he certainly has the right to do so. It will then be his responsibility in which he must live with the results, good or bad.

Says who? You? Forgive me while I lose my bowels over that

Trump want to work with Russia against China, pressure China. Close closer bonds between russia and china are not the US advantage. Having a strong ally against china is.

Trump obviously took a chapter from Kissinger's book

Relations between China and Russia have never been better. Unlike the US, Russia has recognized China's claims in Tibet and Taiwan and China has backed Russian actions to support Assad and activities in the Ukraine. China and Russia have had a long history of supplying arms to nations hostile to the US. Within the last few years China has made massive investments in Russia and China has become a major buyer of Russian oil and gas. Both nations have mutual trade and defense treaties with each other as well as North Korea. The fact that China and Russia are the only two major powers that remain communist and Putin is a devoted communist, makes any alliance between the US and Russia against China very unlikely.

I believe Trump's relationship with Putin was created during the campaign more by accident than plan. Democrats attacked him for his comments about his respect for Putin and Trump in some tweets praised Putin as a person he could work with. Democrats continued to paint Trump as a supporter and confidant of a US advisory and Trump responded in order to oppose Obama who has been at odds with Putin.

After Trump is inaugurated, he will move away from Putin because it is not in the US interest nor his to align ourselves with a nation whose goals are contrary to ours.

yet military expansion in the pacific and NK working on nuclear ballistic missiles are not at all welcoming to Russia.
Now is the best time to wedge them apart before we have no leverage at all ........... anywhere

North Korea's ascension to the status of a nuclear power is unwelcome by both China and Russia and most other nations. Russia as well as China have significant economic and security interest in North Korea. Image sharing a border with a country whose leader is as unpredictable as Trump and is intent on building a nuclear arsenal and using it to become a world power.

. Is NK a proxy for China, where as if they (China) wanted to test us or to start something with us, then will they just use NK in order to get it going on maybe ??

Why in the world would China want NK to put a military move on the US or our allies in the region? China's trade with the NK amounts to only about .5 billion dollars while trade with the US and it's allies in the region, South Korea and Japan amounts to more than a trillion dollars. The US, South Korea, and Japan are China's largest trading partners. Any military move NK might make in the area could serious damage the Chinese economy.

. Do you understand the word PROXY ? Yes you do. It means someone does things on your behalf, but the targeted victim doesn't connect the needed dots in order to put the puzzle together afterwards.

 

[Flopper]

Sa

A candidate or the president elect can not improve diplomatic relations with a foreign power via tweets and campaign rhetoric because he does not have all the information, nor does he have the responsibility or the power to do so. When Trump is president in a few weeks, he will have full access to all intelligence. If he feels it's in the best interest of the US to ally this country with Putin then he certainly has the right to do so. It will then be his responsibility in which he must live with the results, good or bad.

Says who? You? Forgive me while I lose my bowels over that

Relations between China and Russia have never been better. Unlike the US, Russia has recognized China's claims in Tibet and Taiwan and China has backed Russian actions to support Assad and activities in the Ukraine. China and Russia have had a long history of supplying arms to nations hostile to the US. Within the last few years China has made massive investments in Russia and China has become a major buyer of Russian oil and gas. Both nations have mutual trade and defense treaties with each other as well as North Korea. The fact that China and Russia are the only two major powers that remain communist and Putin is a devoted communist, makes any alliance between the US and Russia against China very unlikely.

I believe Trump's relationship with Putin was created during the campaign more by accident than plan. Democrats attacked him for his comments about his respect for Putin and Trump in some tweets praised Putin as a person he could work with. Democrats continued to paint Trump as a supporter and confidant of a US advisory and Trump responded in order to oppose Obama who has been at odds with Putin.

After Trump is inaugurated, he will move away from Putin because it is not in the US interest nor his to align ourselves with a nation whose goals are contrary to ours.

yet military expansion in the pacific and NK working on nuclear ballistic missiles are not at all welcoming to Russia.
Now is the best time to wedge them apart before we have no leverage at all ........... anywhere

North Korea's ascension to the status of a nuclear power is unwelcome by both China and Russia and most other nations. Russia as well as China have significant economic and security interest in North Korea. Image sharing a border with a country whose leader is as unpredictable as Trump and is intent on building a nuclear arsenal and using it to become a world power.

. Is NK a proxy for China, where as if they (China) wanted to test us or to start something with us, then will they just use NK in order to get it going on maybe ??

Why in the world would China want NK to put a military move on the US or our allies in the region? China's trade with the NK amounts to only about .5 billion dollars while trade with the US and it's allies in the region, South Korea and Japan amounts to more than a trillion dollars. The US, South Korea, and Japan are China's largest trading partners. Any military move NK might make in the area could serious damage the Chinese economy.

. Do you understand the word PROXY ? Yes you do. It means someone does things on your behalf, but the targeted victim doesn't connect the needed dots in order to put the puzzle together afterwards.

Yes, I'm not sure you do.
Proxy

1. the authority to represent someone else, especially in voting.
   "they may register to vote by proxy"
   synonyms: deputy, representative, substitute, delegate, agent, surrogate, stand-in, attorney, go-between
   "I am here to vote as Mrs. Carlson's proxy"
2. a figure that can be used to represent the value of something in a calculation.

 

[beagle9]

Sa
Says who? You? Forgive me while I lose my bowels over that

yet military expansion in the pacific and NK working on nuclear ballistic missiles are not at all welcoming to Russia.
Now is the best time to wedge them apart before we have no leverage at all ........... anywhere

North Korea's ascension to the status of a nuclear power is unwelcome by both China and Russia and most other nations. Russia as well as China have significant economic and security interest in North Korea. Image sharing a border with a country whose leader is as unpredictable as Trump and is intent on building a nuclear arsenal and using it to become a world power.

. Is NK a proxy for China, where as if they (China) wanted to test us or to start something with us, then will they just use NK in order to get it going on maybe ??

Why in the world would China want NK to put a military move on the US or our allies in the region? China's trade with the NK amounts to only about .5 billion dollars while trade with the US and it's allies in the region, South Korea and Japan amounts to more than a trillion dollars. The US, South Korea, and Japan are China's largest trading partners. Any military move NK might make in the area could serious damage the Chinese economy.

. Do you understand the word PROXY ? Yes you do. It means someone does things on your behalf, but the targeted victim doesn't connect the needed dots in order to put the puzzle together afterwards.

Yes, I'm not sure you do.
Proxy

1. the authority to represent someone else, especially in voting.
   "they may register to vote by proxy"
   synonyms: deputy, representative, substitute, delegate, agent, surrogate, stand-in, attorney, go-between
   "I am here to vote as Mrs. Carlson's proxy"
2. a figure that can be used to represent the value of something in a calculation.

. I'll use a different but allowed interpretation of this as well, and I will take one or a few of the words listed above, and keep them in context as well. Let's just use Iran for example, and let's apply the definition to how it uses proxies, surrogates, go betweens, agents, and substitutes that keep them from directly being charged or associated with the bad things that it advocates, wants or uses to project it's interest or ideals in the world.

 

[Flopper]

North Korea's ascension to the status of a nuclear power is unwelcome by both China and Russia and most other nations. Russia as well as China have significant economic and security interest in North Korea. Image sharing a border with a country whose leader is as unpredictable as Trump and is intent on building a nuclear arsenal and using it to become a world power.

. Is NK a proxy for China, where as if they (China) wanted to test us or to start something with us, then will they just use NK in order to get it going on maybe ??

Why in the world would China want NK to put a military move on the US or our allies in the region? China's trade with the NK amounts to only about .5 billion dollars while trade with the US and it's allies in the region, South Korea and Japan amounts to more than a trillion dollars. The US, South Korea, and Japan are China's largest trading partners. Any military move NK might make in the area could serious damage the Chinese economy.

. Do you understand the word PROXY ? Yes you do. It means someone does things on your behalf, but the targeted victim doesn't connect the needed dots in order to put the puzzle together afterwards.

Yes, I'm not sure you do.
Proxy

1. the authority to represent someone else, especially in voting.
   "they may register to vote by proxy"
   synonyms: deputy, representative, substitute, delegate, agent, surrogate, stand-in, attorney, go-between
   "I am here to vote as Mrs. Carlson's proxy"
2. a figure that can be used to represent the value of something in a calculation.

. I'll use a different but allowed interpretation of this as well, and I will take one or a few of the words listed above, and keep them in context as well. Let's just use Iran for example, and let's apply the definition to how it uses proxies, surrogates, go betweens, agents, and substitutes that keep them from directly being charged or associated with the bad things that it advocates, wants or uses to project it's interest or ideals in the world.

Are you saying you believe N.K. may act as a surrogate for China? If so, in what way? I can't think of anything N.K. could actually do other than attack South Korea, Japan or the US. N.K. launching a military attack on China's three largest trading partners and dragging them into a conflict that would destroy the Chinese economy would hardly be of benefit to China.

 

[aris2chat]

Sa
Says who? You? Forgive me while I lose my bowels over that

yet military expansion in the pacific and NK working on nuclear ballistic missiles are not at all welcoming to Russia.
Now is the best time to wedge them apart before we have no leverage at all ........... anywhere

North Korea's ascension to the status of a nuclear power is unwelcome by both China and Russia and most other nations. Russia as well as China have significant economic and security interest in North Korea. Image sharing a border with a country whose leader is as unpredictable as Trump and is intent on building a nuclear arsenal and using it to become a world power.

. Is NK a proxy for China, where as if they (China) wanted to test us or to start something with us, then will they just use NK in order to get it going on maybe ??

Why in the world would China want NK to put a military move on the US or our allies in the region? China's trade with the NK amounts to only about .5 billion dollars while trade with the US and it's allies in the region, South Korea and Japan amounts to more than a trillion dollars. The US, South Korea, and Japan are China's largest trading partners. Any military move NK might make in the area could serious damage the Chinese economy.

. Do you understand the word PROXY ? Yes you do. It means someone does things on your behalf, but the targeted victim doesn't connect the needed dots in order to put the puzzle together afterwards.

Yes, I'm not sure you do.
Proxy

1. the authority to represent someone else, especially in voting.
   "they may register to vote by proxy"
   synonyms: deputy, representative, substitute, delegate, agent, surrogate, stand-in, attorney, go-between
   "I am here to vote as Mrs. Carlson's proxy"
2. a figure that can be used to represent the value of something in a calculation.

You have to have the person give permission to fill out the absentee ballot or have given the person a legal proxy for them to walk in and vote their behalf. You can't just walk in and vote for someone else

It is not as easy as saying I want so and so's ballot so I can vote

You have to have notarized proof and it has to have been registered beforehand

It is probably different in each state and perhaps even in each county

it is not always possible

Double-voting – even triple-voting – found in US elections

 

[beagle9]

. Is NK a proxy for China, where as if they (China) wanted to test us or to start something with us, then will they just use NK in order to get it going on maybe ??

Why in the world would China want NK to put a military move on the US or our allies in the region? China's trade with the NK amounts to only about .5 billion dollars while trade with the US and it's allies in the region, South Korea and Japan amounts to more than a trillion dollars. The US, South Korea, and Japan are China's largest trading partners. Any military move NK might make in the area could serious damage the Chinese economy.

. Do you understand the word PROXY ? Yes you do. It means someone does things on your behalf, but the targeted victim doesn't connect the needed dots in order to put the puzzle together afterwards.

Yes, I'm not sure you do.
Proxy

1. the authority to represent someone else, especially in voting.
   "they may register to vote by proxy"
   synonyms: deputy, representative, substitute, delegate, agent, surrogate, stand-in, attorney, go-between
   "I am here to vote as Mrs. Carlson's proxy"
2. a figure that can be used to represent the value of something in a calculation.

. I'll use a different but allowed interpretation of this as well, and I will take one or a few of the words listed above, and keep them in context as well. Let's just use Iran for example, and let's apply the definition to how it uses proxies, surrogates, go betweens, agents, and substitutes that keep them from directly being charged or associated with the bad things that it advocates, wants or uses to project it's interest or ideals in the world.

Are you saying you believe N.K. may act as a surrogate for China? If so, in what way? I can't think of anything N.K. could actually do other than attack South Korea, Japan or the US. N.K. launching a military attack on China's three largest trading partners and dragging them into a conflict that would destroy the Chinese economy would hardly be of benefit to China.

. Regardless of trade with anyone, nations still are sovereign and powerful. They are always seeking more power, a bigger stake in the world, a plan to protect their people's economies, and their cultures in which make up the fabric of their lifestyles, cultures, identities, and their ideologies. These things can be threatened in many ways, and if you think trade is more important than what nations hold as sovereign and sacred unto them, then you are Looney Tunes.