Universal Healthcare

[Cellblock2429]

Many of those 43 million didn't want insurance, because they didn't want to pay.

Its still a free country.

I'm just referring to those who need health CARE, but are indigent.

The people who you claim to be concerned about.

BTW, if someone doesn't have health insurance, and doesn't have health care expenses- or at least those they aren't paying- what difference should it make to anyone? My grandfather went without medical insurance, although he was covered by medicare when they finally persuaded him to go to the hospital. But he diid not need it.

The problem is, when one of those people who "didn't want it" got sick or injured, and had to go to the hospital, the rest of us end up paying. So, yeah, it does make a difference.

Of course, the real problem is that big insurance is in it for a profit, and they subscribe to the First Rule of Acquisition

"Once you've got their money, you never give it back!"

Trust me, you've never had to wrestle with an insurance company to get them to pay for something. And before you blurt out, "The government is just as bad", no, it really isn't.

/---/ I had an operation in 1973. I didn't have insurance at the age of 22. So I asked the hospital and Dr to bill me and I'd make monthly payments to pay it off. I picked up part-time work on the weekend and paid everyone within a year. It's called taking personal responsibility.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

/—-/ That’s why Canadians come to New York for operations,

How many? I'm sure you don't know, you are one of the many who echoes memes which are nothing more than digested propaganda you've eat.

63,000 Canadians left the country for medical treatment last year: Fraser Institute

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-co...dians-increasingly-come-to-us-for-health-care

CTVNews.ca Staff
Published Sunday, July 2, 2017 10:11PM EDT

"A new report from the Fraser Institute estimates that more than 63,000 Canadians travelled abroad for medical care in 2016.

"The think-tank says that's a nearly 40-per-cent increase over the previous year, and may be related to long wait times for medical procedures in Canada. But one professor warns the data is based only on estimates, making it highly questionable.

Your second link is worth reading, though it is too long for the willfully ignorant (those who only read the headline). At the end of the link, the top five best health care systems are Switzerland, Norway, Denmark, Sweden and Canada.

Yet their sick people come here. Go figure.

Half-truth. Very likely the wealthy come here, not the hoi polloi.

Define “wealthy”?

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Hitler's love of Socialized Medicine is a historical fact, Joe.

Germany had socialized medicine before Hitler was born.

And were you aware that even though Hitler was the author of this program that he inflicted on the Germans, he didn't use it himself? Instead, he employed Dr. Theodor Morell- a private physician- for his own needs. Morell was considered by his peers to be a tremendous doctor and BTW , was not part of the German government and NOT a war criminal.

Uh, Morell was a quack who got Hitler addicted to drugs... which probably made him crazier than he already was.

How many Poles does it take to fuck up history? Apparently just one.

AH, I miss Polish Jokes... they were so much fun in my youth.

Your youth was in the 1800s.

 

[Polishprince]

Many of those 43 million didn't want insurance, because they didn't want to pay.

Its still a free country.

I'm just referring to those who need health CARE, but are indigent.

The people who you claim to be concerned about.

BTW, if someone doesn't have health insurance, and doesn't have health care expenses- or at least those they aren't paying- what difference should it make to anyone? My grandfather went without medical insurance, although he was covered by medicare when they finally persuaded him to go to the hospital. But he diid not need it.

The problem is, when one of those people who "didn't want it" got sick or injured, and had to go to the hospital, the rest of us end up paying. So, yeah, it does make a difference.

Of course, the real problem is that big insurance is in it for a profit, and they subscribe to the First Rule of Acquisition

"Once you've got their money, you never give it back!"

Trust me, you've never had to wrestle with an insurance company to get them to pay for something. And before you blurt out, "The government is just as bad", no, it really isn't.

/---/ I had an operation in 1973. I didn't have insurance at the age of 22. So I asked the hospital and Dr to bill me and I'd make monthly payments to pay it off. I picked up part-time work on the weekend and paid everyone within a year. It's called taking personal responsibility.

There are all kinds of uncovered expenses out there that people deal with. I was reading the story about songstress Cardi B, who was plagued with the problem of an undersized caboose. She was able to find someone to give her injections to resolve the problem, but she paid in cash and dealt with it like an adult.

 

[Polishprince]

Uh, Morell was a quack who got Hitler addicted to drugs... which probably made him crazier than he already was.
.

Dr. Morell was a highly sought after, and highly paid private physicians.

A lot of the National Socialists who went to the gallows for crimes against humanity didn't like him.

I can't say how tremendous or untremendous a doctor he was as Morell was dead before my time.


But my point isn't on how actually fantastic his medical practice was, but how he was perceived and the fact that the devoted Socialist Hitler wouldn't trust his OWN health to Hitlercare.

You see the same thing with Hugo Chavez, the Castro boys and other socialists too.

 

[JoeB131]

/---/ I had an operation in 1973. I didn't have insurance at the age of 22. So I asked the hospital and Dr to bill me and I'd make monthly payments to pay it off. I picked up part-time work on the weekend and paid everyone within a year. It's called taking personal responsibility.

Yeah, good luck with that today.

Today, they wouldn't even do that operation if you don't have insurance.

 

[Flopper]

How many? I'm sure you don't know, you are one of the many who echoes memes which are nothing more than digested propaganda you've eat.

63,000 Canadians left the country for medical treatment last year: Fraser Institute

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-co...dians-increasingly-come-to-us-for-health-care

CTVNews.ca Staff
Published Sunday, July 2, 2017 10:11PM EDT

"A new report from the Fraser Institute estimates that more than 63,000 Canadians travelled abroad for medical care in 2016.

"The think-tank says that's a nearly 40-per-cent increase over the previous year, and may be related to long wait times for medical procedures in Canada. But one professor warns the data is based only on estimates, making it highly questionable.

Your second link is worth reading, though it is too long for the willfully ignorant (those who only read the headline). At the end of the link, the top five best health care systems are Switzerland, Norway, Denmark, Sweden and Canada.

Yet their sick people come here. Go figure.

Half-truth. Very likely the wealthy come here, not the hoi polloi.

In other words, in Canada and other socialized medicine "paradises" , the poor are screwed. They are stuck in a line waiting for treatment

The poor are screwed in the US now. Wait times to see specialists under Medicaid can easy run 6 months or more. Doctors tell patients they can't take any more new Medicaid patients at this time and it doesn't matter how serious the illness or how sick you are.

The success of single payer depends on how much money the country wants to spend on healthcare. Canada purposely keeps utilization rates high to keep costs down. That mean long waits times for some specialized care.

However, unlike the US, Canada does use a triage system in which the most serious cases get shorter wait times. We solve that problem in the US with those majestic words, "cash payment".

 

[Polishprince]

63,000 Canadians left the country for medical treatment last year: Fraser Institute

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-co...dians-increasingly-come-to-us-for-health-care

CTVNews.ca Staff
Published Sunday, July 2, 2017 10:11PM EDT

"A new report from the Fraser Institute estimates that more than 63,000 Canadians travelled abroad for medical care in 2016.

"The think-tank says that's a nearly 40-per-cent increase over the previous year, and may be related to long wait times for medical procedures in Canada. But one professor warns the data is based only on estimates, making it highly questionable.

Your second link is worth reading, though it is too long for the willfully ignorant (those who only read the headline). At the end of the link, the top five best health care systems are Switzerland, Norway, Denmark, Sweden and Canada.

Yet their sick people come here. Go figure.

Half-truth. Very likely the wealthy come here, not the hoi polloi.

In other words, in Canada and other socialized medicine "paradises" , the poor are screwed. They are stuck in a line waiting for treatment

The poor are screwed in the US now. Wait times to see specialists under Medicaid can easy run 6 months or more. Doctors tell patients they can't take any more new Medicaid patients at this time and it doesn't matter how serious the illness or how sick you are.

The success of single payer depends on how much money the country wants to spend on healthcare. Canada purposely keeps utilization rates high to keep costs down. That mean long waits times for some specialized care.

However, unlike the US, Canada does use a triage system in which the most serious cases get shorter wait times. We solve that problem in the US with those majestic words, "cash payment".

The government doesn't pay much to physicians to treat Medicaid patients you know. Its basically a charity for doctors to treat these patients, as they lose money or break even at best. And considering the fact that the number of Medicaid patients has expanded exponentially under the ACA, that's what you would expect.

But I'm surprised you've given up on O-Care so quickly. Why can't the libs support perhaps the idea of tweaking the program instead of shit canning it for Medicare for All.

 

[gipper]

Still waiting for that Grreeat health insurance that trump promised when he was running for prez while badmouthing obamacare.

/—-/ It’s called free market.

Yep, those with the most money get the best care. Those with no money get no healthcare. It's such a simple elegant system, you have to wonder why everyone is not embracing it.
It's also referred to as survival of the fittest.

In the richest nation the world has ever seen, we can’t have healthcare for all like much of the rest of the world. Somehow they make work, but we can’t.

Medicare for all would be cheaper than the shitshow we have now, but those big corporations wouldn’t be flush with cash to buy off the politicians. So, no go. Sorry. We Americans must protect the extraordinarily wealthy first and foremost.

 

[Wry Catcher]

CTVNews.ca Staff
Published Sunday, July 2, 2017 10:11PM EDT

"A new report from the Fraser Institute estimates that more than 63,000 Canadians travelled abroad for medical care in 2016.

"The think-tank says that's a nearly 40-per-cent increase over the previous year, and may be related to long wait times for medical procedures in Canada. But one professor warns the data is based only on estimates, making it highly questionable.

Your second link is worth reading, though it is too long for the willfully ignorant (those who only read the headline). At the end of the link, the top five best health care systems are Switzerland, Norway, Denmark, Sweden and Canada.

Yet their sick people come here. Go figure.

Half-truth. Very likely the wealthy come here, not the hoi polloi.

In other words, in Canada and other socialized medicine "paradises" , the poor are screwed. They are stuck in a line waiting for treatment

The poor are screwed in the US now. Wait times to see specialists under Medicaid can easy run 6 months or more. Doctors tell patients they can't take any more new Medicaid patients at this time and it doesn't matter how serious the illness or how sick you are.

The success of single payer depends on how much money the country wants to spend on healthcare. Canada purposely keeps utilization rates high to keep costs down. That mean long waits times for some specialized care.

However, unlike the US, Canada does use a triage system in which the most serious cases get shorter wait times. We solve that problem in the US with those majestic words, "cash payment".

The government doesn't pay much to physicians to treat Medicaid patients you know. Its basically a charity for doctors to treat these patients, as they lose money or break even at best. And considering the fact that the number of Medicaid patients has expanded exponentially under the ACA, that's what you would expect.

But I'm surprised you've given up on O-Care so quickly. Why can't the libs support perhaps the idea of tweaking the program instead of shit canning it for Medicare for All.

The details are way too complicated to discuss here. The premise on the left, is everyone ought to receive affordable preventative health care; the premise on the right is, health care ought to be a free market enterprise.

 

[Flopper]

CTVNews.ca Staff
Published Sunday, July 2, 2017 10:11PM EDT

"A new report from the Fraser Institute estimates that more than 63,000 Canadians travelled abroad for medical care in 2016.

"The think-tank says that's a nearly 40-per-cent increase over the previous year, and may be related to long wait times for medical procedures in Canada. But one professor warns the data is based only on estimates, making it highly questionable.

Your second link is worth reading, though it is too long for the willfully ignorant (those who only read the headline). At the end of the link, the top five best health care systems are Switzerland, Norway, Denmark, Sweden and Canada.

Yet their sick people come here. Go figure.

Half-truth. Very likely the wealthy come here, not the hoi polloi.

In other words, in Canada and other socialized medicine "paradises" , the poor are screwed. They are stuck in a line waiting for treatment

The poor are screwed in the US now. Wait times to see specialists under Medicaid can easy run 6 months or more. Doctors tell patients they can't take any more new Medicaid patients at this time and it doesn't matter how serious the illness or how sick you are.

The success of single payer depends on how much money the country wants to spend on healthcare. Canada purposely keeps utilization rates high to keep costs down. That mean long waits times for some specialized care.

However, unlike the US, Canada does use a triage system in which the most serious cases get shorter wait times. We solve that problem in the US with those majestic words, "cash payment".

The government doesn't pay much to physicians to treat Medicaid patients you know. Its basically a charity for doctors to treat these patients, as they lose money or break even at best. And considering the fact that the number of Medicaid patients has expanded exponentially under the ACA, that's what you would expect.

But I'm surprised you've given up on O-Care so quickly. Why can't the libs support perhaps the idea of tweaking the program instead of shit canning it for Medicare for All.

You can not just shit can Obamacare. The party that tries won't be in power very long because it is too deeply ingrained in our healthcare system.

What I favor is increasing goverment healthcare subsidies to bring down deductibles and premiums and at the same time beginning a slow transition to Medicare by gradually lowering the age requirement. This would move the most expensive people to insure to Medicare pushing insurance rates down. Within about 20 years, the health insurance risk pools would contain mostly young low risk customers. What we call healthcare plans today would become real insurance in which customers would pay relatively small premiums to insure against major medical emergencies. That's how health insurance use to work.

We could stop lower the Medicare edibility age at any point leaving the younger workers in insurance pools.

 

[gipper]

Yet their sick people come here. Go figure.

Half-truth. Very likely the wealthy come here, not the hoi polloi.

In other words, in Canada and other socialized medicine "paradises" , the poor are screwed. They are stuck in a line waiting for treatment

The poor are screwed in the US now. Wait times to see specialists under Medicaid can easy run 6 months or more. Doctors tell patients they can't take any more new Medicaid patients at this time and it doesn't matter how serious the illness or how sick you are.

The success of single payer depends on how much money the country wants to spend on healthcare. Canada purposely keeps utilization rates high to keep costs down. That mean long waits times for some specialized care.

However, unlike the US, Canada does use a triage system in which the most serious cases get shorter wait times. We solve that problem in the US with those majestic words, "cash payment".

The government doesn't pay much to physicians to treat Medicaid patients you know. Its basically a charity for doctors to treat these patients, as they lose money or break even at best. And considering the fact that the number of Medicaid patients has expanded exponentially under the ACA, that's what you would expect.

But I'm surprised you've given up on O-Care so quickly. Why can't the libs support perhaps the idea of tweaking the program instead of shit canning it for Medicare for All.

You can not just shit can Obamacare. The party that tries won't be in power very long because it is too deeply ingrained in our healthcare system.

What I favor is increasing goverment healthcare subsidies to bring down deductibles and premiums and at the same time beginning a slow transition to Medicare by gradually lowering the age requirement. This would move the most expense people to insure to Medicare pushing insurance rates down. Within about 20 years, the health insurance risk pools would contain mostly young low risk customers. What we call healthcare plans today would become real insurance in which customers would pay relatively small premiums to insure against major medical emergencies. That's how began insurance.

We could stop lower the Medicare edibility age at any point leaving the younger workers in insurance pools.

Fuck that. Medicare for all is the best approach. If the rest of the civilized world can do it, why not the richest nation the world has ever seen?

HC in our nation is a fucking scam. It isn’t very effective, yet it is the most expensive in the world. It does greatly enrich the 1%.

 

[Cellblock2429]

Still waiting for that Grreeat health insurance that trump promised when he was running for prez while badmouthing obamacare.

/—-/ It’s called free market.

Yep, those with the most money get the best care. Those with no money get no healthcare. It's such a simple elegant system, you have to wonder why everyone is not embracing it.
It's also referred to as survival of the fittest.

In the richest nation the world has ever seen, we can’t have healthcare for all like much of the rest of the world. Somehow they make work, but we can’t.

Medicare for all would be cheaper than the shitshow we have now, but those big corporations wouldn’t be flush with cash to buy off the politicians. So, no go. Sorry. We Americans must protect the extraordinarily wealthy first and foremost.

/—-/ How thick can you be? They do it because the US supplies their national defense you dolt. As the president pushes them to pay their fair share of NATO expect those freebies to shrink drastically.

 

[Cellblock2429]

Half-truth. Very likely the wealthy come here, not the hoi polloi.

In other words, in Canada and other socialized medicine "paradises" , the poor are screwed. They are stuck in a line waiting for treatment

The poor are screwed in the US now. Wait times to see specialists under Medicaid can easy run 6 months or more. Doctors tell patients they can't take any more new Medicaid patients at this time and it doesn't matter how serious the illness or how sick you are.

The success of single payer depends on how much money the country wants to spend on healthcare. Canada purposely keeps utilization rates high to keep costs down. That mean long waits times for some specialized care.

However, unlike the US, Canada does use a triage system in which the most serious cases get shorter wait times. We solve that problem in the US with those majestic words, "cash payment".

The government doesn't pay much to physicians to treat Medicaid patients you know. Its basically a charity for doctors to treat these patients, as they lose money or break even at best. And considering the fact that the number of Medicaid patients has expanded exponentially under the ACA, that's what you would expect.

But I'm surprised you've given up on O-Care so quickly. Why can't the libs support perhaps the idea of tweaking the program instead of shit canning it for Medicare for All.

You can not just shit can Obamacare. The party that tries won't be in power very long because it is too deeply ingrained in our healthcare system.

What I favor is increasing goverment healthcare subsidies to bring down deductibles and premiums and at the same time beginning a slow transition to Medicare by gradually lowering the age requirement. This would move the most expense people to insure to Medicare pushing insurance rates down. Within about 20 years, the health insurance risk pools would contain mostly young low risk customers. What we call healthcare plans today would become real insurance in which customers would pay relatively small premiums to insure against major medical emergencies. That's how began insurance.

We could stop lower the Medicare edibility age at any point leaving the younger workers in insurance pools.

Fuck that. Medicare for all is the best approach. If the rest of the civilized world can do it, why not the richest nation the world has ever seen?

HC in our nation is a fucking scam. It isn’t very effective, yet it is the most expensive in the world. It does greatly enrich the 1%.

/—-/ Talk about scams... Hey folks this is what the Progs have in mind for you: Socialized Medicine: A Dose of Reality

 

[gipper]

Still waiting for that Grreeat health insurance that trump promised when he was running for prez while badmouthing obamacare.

/—-/ It’s called free market.

Yep, those with the most money get the best care. Those with no money get no healthcare. It's such a simple elegant system, you have to wonder why everyone is not embracing it.
It's also referred to as survival of the fittest.

In the richest nation the world has ever seen, we can’t have healthcare for all like much of the rest of the world. Somehow they make work, but we can’t.

Medicare for all would be cheaper than the shitshow we have now, but those big corporations wouldn’t be flush with cash to buy off the politicians. So, no go. Sorry. We Americans must protect the extraordinarily wealthy first and foremost.

/—-/ How thick can you be? They do it because the US supplies their national defense you dolt. As the president pushes them to pay their fair share of NATO expect those freebies to shrink drastically.

Fuck that too. We need to bring all our hired killers home. Mind our own business. Then turn the pentagon into affordable housing, terminate the CIA, NSA, NATO, ETC....

Please read....Koch-Backed Think Tank Finds That “Medicare for All” Would Cut Health Care Spending and Raise Wages. Whoops.

 

[Polishprince]

Half-truth. Very likely the wealthy come here, not the hoi polloi.

In other words, in Canada and other socialized medicine "paradises" , the poor are screwed. They are stuck in a line waiting for treatment

The poor are screwed in the US now. Wait times to see specialists under Medicaid can easy run 6 months or more. Doctors tell patients they can't take any more new Medicaid patients at this time and it doesn't matter how serious the illness or how sick you are.

The success of single payer depends on how much money the country wants to spend on healthcare. Canada purposely keeps utilization rates high to keep costs down. That mean long waits times for some specialized care.

However, unlike the US, Canada does use a triage system in which the most serious cases get shorter wait times. We solve that problem in the US with those majestic words, "cash payment".

The government doesn't pay much to physicians to treat Medicaid patients you know. Its basically a charity for doctors to treat these patients, as they lose money or break even at best. And considering the fact that the number of Medicaid patients has expanded exponentially under the ACA, that's what you would expect.

But I'm surprised you've given up on O-Care so quickly. Why can't the libs support perhaps the idea of tweaking the program instead of shit canning it for Medicare for All.

You can not just shit can Obamacare. The party that tries won't be in power very long because it is too deeply ingrained in our healthcare system.

What I favor is increasing goverment healthcare subsidies to bring down deductibles and premiums and at the same time beginning a slow transition to Medicare by gradually lowering the age requirement. This would move the most expense people to insure to Medicare pushing insurance rates down. Within about 20 years, the health insurance risk pools would contain mostly young low risk customers. What we call healthcare plans today would become real insurance in which customers would pay relatively small premiums to insure against major medical emergencies. That's how began insurance.

We could stop lower the Medicare edibility age at any point leaving the younger workers in insurance pools.

Fuck that. Medicare for all is the best approach. If the rest of the civilized world can do it, why not the richest nation the world has ever seen?

HC in our nation is a fucking scam. It isn’t very effective, yet it is the most expensive in the world. It does greatly enrich the 1%.

In actuality, America has superb health care. Customers can choose the kind of health care they want as well as the price point they want to pay.

People come from all over the world to practice the art of medicine and the allied health sciences here. Every time you turn on TV, new ailments and new treatments are being discovered and promoted. Plagues which have scourged mankind have been virtually conquered in America, everything from Polio to ED.

Although Joe Biden was charged by President Obama to cure cancer and that doofus failed.

 

[Cellblock2429]

Still waiting for that Grreeat health insurance that trump promised when he was running for prez while badmouthing obamacare.

/—-/ It’s called free market.

Yep, those with the most money get the best care. Those with no money get no healthcare. It's such a simple elegant system, you have to wonder why everyone is not embracing it.
It's also referred to as survival of the fittest.

In the richest nation the world has ever seen, we can’t have healthcare for all like much of the rest of the world. Somehow they make work, but we can’t.

Medicare for all would be cheaper than the shitshow we have now, but those big corporations wouldn’t be flush with cash to buy off the politicians. So, no go. Sorry. We Americans must protect the extraordinarily wealthy first and foremost.

/—-/ How thick can you be? They do it because the US supplies their national defense you dolt. As the president pushes them to pay their fair share of NATO expect those freebies to shrink drastically.

Fuck that too. We need to bring all our hired killers home. Mind our own business. Then turn the pentagon into affordable housing, terminate the CIA, NSA, NATO, ETC....

Please read....Koch-Backed Think Tank Finds That “Medicare for All” Would Cut Health Care Spending and Raise Wages. Whoops.

/—-/ True, rationed care does cut costs. You’re denied care until you croak.

 

[Polishprince]

Still waiting for that Grreeat health insurance that trump promised when he was running for prez while badmouthing obamacare.

/—-/ It’s called free market.

Yep, those with the most money get the best care. Those with no money get no healthcare. It's such a simple elegant system, you have to wonder why everyone is not embracing it.
It's also referred to as survival of the fittest.

In the richest nation the world has ever seen, we can’t have healthcare for all like much of the rest of the world. Somehow they make work, but we can’t.

Medicare for all would be cheaper than the shitshow we have now, but those big corporations wouldn’t be flush with cash to buy off the politicians. So, no go. Sorry. We Americans must protect the extraordinarily wealthy first and foremost.

/—-/ How thick can you be? They do it because the US supplies their national defense you dolt. As the president pushes them to pay their fair share of NATO expect those freebies to shrink drastically.

Fuck that too. We need to bring all our hired killers home. Mind our own business. Then turn the pentagon into affordable housing, terminate the CIA, NSA, NATO, ETC....

Please read....Koch-Backed Think Tank Finds That “Medicare for All” Would Cut Health Care Spending and Raise Wages. Whoops.

Medicare for All would reduce quality, especially if coupled with the liberal idea of outlawing private pay health care and insurance.

 

[gipper]

In other words, in Canada and other socialized medicine "paradises" , the poor are screwed. They are stuck in a line waiting for treatment

The poor are screwed in the US now. Wait times to see specialists under Medicaid can easy run 6 months or more. Doctors tell patients they can't take any more new Medicaid patients at this time and it doesn't matter how serious the illness or how sick you are.

The success of single payer depends on how much money the country wants to spend on healthcare. Canada purposely keeps utilization rates high to keep costs down. That mean long waits times for some specialized care.

However, unlike the US, Canada does use a triage system in which the most serious cases get shorter wait times. We solve that problem in the US with those majestic words, "cash payment".

The government doesn't pay much to physicians to treat Medicaid patients you know. Its basically a charity for doctors to treat these patients, as they lose money or break even at best. And considering the fact that the number of Medicaid patients has expanded exponentially under the ACA, that's what you would expect.

But I'm surprised you've given up on O-Care so quickly. Why can't the libs support perhaps the idea of tweaking the program instead of shit canning it for Medicare for All.

You can not just shit can Obamacare. The party that tries won't be in power very long because it is too deeply ingrained in our healthcare system.

What I favor is increasing goverment healthcare subsidies to bring down deductibles and premiums and at the same time beginning a slow transition to Medicare by gradually lowering the age requirement. This would move the most expense people to insure to Medicare pushing insurance rates down. Within about 20 years, the health insurance risk pools would contain mostly young low risk customers. What we call healthcare plans today would become real insurance in which customers would pay relatively small premiums to insure against major medical emergencies. That's how began insurance.

We could stop lower the Medicare edibility age at any point leaving the younger workers in insurance pools.

Fuck that. Medicare for all is the best approach. If the rest of the civilized world can do it, why not the richest nation the world has ever seen?

HC in our nation is a fucking scam. It isn’t very effective, yet it is the most expensive in the world. It does greatly enrich the 1%.

In actuality, America has superb health care. Customers can choose the kind of health care they want as well as the price point they want to pay.

People come from all over the world to practice the art of medicine and the allied health sciences here. Every time you turn on TV, new ailments and new treatments are being discovered and promoted. Plagues which have scourged mankind have been virtually conquered in America, everything from Polio to ED.

Although Joe Biden was charged by President Obama to cure cancer and that doofus failed.

Yet our life expectancy is dropping, while costs continue to rise.

US life expectancy has been declining. Here's why

 

[Wry Catcher]

Half-truth. Very likely the wealthy come here, not the hoi polloi.

In other words, in Canada and other socialized medicine "paradises" , the poor are screwed. They are stuck in a line waiting for treatment

The poor are screwed in the US now. Wait times to see specialists under Medicaid can easy run 6 months or more. Doctors tell patients they can't take any more new Medicaid patients at this time and it doesn't matter how serious the illness or how sick you are.

The success of single payer depends on how much money the country wants to spend on healthcare. Canada purposely keeps utilization rates high to keep costs down. That mean long waits times for some specialized care.

However, unlike the US, Canada does use a triage system in which the most serious cases get shorter wait times. We solve that problem in the US with those majestic words, "cash payment".

The government doesn't pay much to physicians to treat Medicaid patients you know. Its basically a charity for doctors to treat these patients, as they lose money or break even at best. And considering the fact that the number of Medicaid patients has expanded exponentially under the ACA, that's what you would expect.

But I'm surprised you've given up on O-Care so quickly. Why can't the libs support perhaps the idea of tweaking the program instead of shit canning it for Medicare for All.

You can not just shit can Obamacare. The party that tries won't be in power very long because it is too deeply ingrained in our healthcare system.

What I favor is increasing goverment healthcare subsidies to bring down deductibles and premiums and at the same time beginning a slow transition to Medicare by gradually lowering the age requirement. This would move the most expense people to insure to Medicare pushing insurance rates down. Within about 20 years, the health insurance risk pools would contain mostly young low risk customers. What we call healthcare plans today would become real insurance in which customers would pay relatively small premiums to insure against major medical emergencies. That's how began insurance.

We could stop lower the Medicare edibility age at any point leaving the younger workers in insurance pools.

Fuck that. Medicare for all is the best approach. If the rest of the civilized world can do it, why not the richest nation the world has ever seen?

HC in our nation is a fucking scam. It isn’t very effective, yet it is the most expensive in the world. It does greatly enrich the 1%.

Agree to an extent. Before the ACA what you claimed was true. The effort to make health insurance fair, affordable and available to all is half way to Medicare for all.

The only Rebuttal of those 1% rs who profited from health insurance before the ACA, and while it was debated was their fear mongering, and claim it was Socialism, or a creeping form of Socialism.

If every citizen is provided affordable preventative health care, we would be dollars ahead in the long run. Profiteer's don't look into the future, they want their money and as much as they can grab, immediately.