Universal Healthcare

[Thinker101]

Yep, just wait until it's "free" for everyone, that 6 month wait time will become 9 months for anything.

Nothing is free and it won’t be free.

How can any American think this crazy system works, when 40 million Americans have no insurance? When millions of us could easily go bankrupt, if hit by a terrible disease. When costs have risen exponentially for decades, while life expectancy drops and many Americans are sickly.

It’s a scam.

That's true, we've been waiting for these Democrat candidates to divulge just how much free costs.

When one cocksucker can game the system to attain $150 billion in net worth, I think we have the money.

Who "gamed" the system to get $150 B in net worth?

No one I ever heard of.

Bezos may have $150 Billion, but he earned it. Devised the Amazon system and is in the process of dominating retail or trying to.

LMFAO. Bezos is a fucking psychopath. When millions of Americans are suffering this cocksucker could help, but doesn’t.

Alrighty then, next three in line are:

• Bill Gates
• Warren Buffett
• Mark Zuckerberg

Which one(s) do you figure are going to help?

 

[Polishprince]

Yep, just wait until it's "free" for everyone, that 6 month wait time will become 9 months for anything.

Nothing is free and it won’t be free.

How can any American think this crazy system works, when 40 million Americans have no insurance? When millions of us could easily go bankrupt, if hit by a terrible disease. When costs have risen exponentially for decades, while life expectancy drops and many Americans are sickly.

It’s a scam.

That's true, we've been waiting for these Democrat candidates to divulge just how much free costs.

When one cocksucker can game the system to attain $150 billion in net worth, I think we have the money.

Who "gamed" the system to get $150 B in net worth?

No one I ever heard of.

Bezos may have $150 Billion, but he earned it. Devised the Amazon system and is in the process of dominating retail or trying to.

LMFAO. Bezos is a fucking psychopath. When millions of Americans are suffering this cocksucker could help, but doesn’t.

Bezos actually does help a lot. Provides jobs to many thousands of people, delivers people pills and books and other crap.

He is definitely helping out in his own way.

BTW, I don't care for the character, but he earns an honest living

 

[gipper]

Nothing is free and it won’t be free.

How can any American think this crazy system works, when 40 million Americans have no insurance? When millions of us could easily go bankrupt, if hit by a terrible disease. When costs have risen exponentially for decades, while life expectancy drops and many Americans are sickly.

It’s a scam.

That's true, we've been waiting for these Democrat candidates to divulge just how much free costs.

When one cocksucker can game the system to attain $150 billion in net worth, I think we have the money.

Who "gamed" the system to get $150 B in net worth?

No one I ever heard of.

Bezos may have $150 Billion, but he earned it. Devised the Amazon system and is in the process of dominating retail or trying to.

LMFAO. Bezos is a fucking psychopath. When millions of Americans are suffering this cocksucker could help, but doesn’t.

Alrighty then, next three in line are:

• Bill Gates
• Warren Buffett
• Mark Zuckerberg

Which one(s) do you figure are going to help?

Fuck em all. Our system is set up for the wealthy to run it. They know it. Do You?
Billionaires from George Soros to Abigail Disney are begging to be taxed more

 

[gipper]

Nothing is free and it won’t be free.

How can any American think this crazy system works, when 40 million Americans have no insurance? When millions of us could easily go bankrupt, if hit by a terrible disease. When costs have risen exponentially for decades, while life expectancy drops and many Americans are sickly.

It’s a scam.

That's true, we've been waiting for these Democrat candidates to divulge just how much free costs.

When one cocksucker can game the system to attain $150 billion in net worth, I think we have the money.

Who "gamed" the system to get $150 B in net worth?

No one I ever heard of.

Bezos may have $150 Billion, but he earned it. Devised the Amazon system and is in the process of dominating retail or trying to.

LMFAO. Bezos is a fucking psychopath. When millions of Americans are suffering this cocksucker could help, but doesn’t.

Bezos actually does help a lot. Provides jobs to many thousands of people, delivers people pills and books and other crap.

He is definitely helping out in his own way.

BTW, I don't care for the character, but he earns an honest living

Yeah works his employees to death and pays them shit wages. Good deal.

 

[gipper]

The government doesn't pay much to physicians to treat Medicaid patients you know. Its basically a charity for doctors to treat these patients, as they lose money or break even at best. And considering the fact that the number of Medicaid patients has expanded exponentially under the ACA, that's what you would expect.

But I'm surprised you've given up on O-Care so quickly. Why can't the libs support perhaps the idea of tweaking the program instead of shit canning it for Medicare for All.

You can not just shit can Obamacare. The party that tries won't be in power very long because it is too deeply ingrained in our healthcare system.

What I favor is increasing goverment healthcare subsidies to bring down deductibles and premiums and at the same time beginning a slow transition to Medicare by gradually lowering the age requirement. This would move the most expense people to insure to Medicare pushing insurance rates down. Within about 20 years, the health insurance risk pools would contain mostly young low risk customers. What we call healthcare plans today would become real insurance in which customers would pay relatively small premiums to insure against major medical emergencies. That's how began insurance.

We could stop lower the Medicare edibility age at any point leaving the younger workers in insurance pools.

Fuck that. Medicare for all is the best approach. If the rest of the civilized world can do it, why not the richest nation the world has ever seen?

HC in our nation is a fucking scam. It isn’t very effective, yet it is the most expensive in the world. It does greatly enrich the 1%.

In actuality, America has superb health care. Customers can choose the kind of health care they want as well as the price point they want to pay.

People come from all over the world to practice the art of medicine and the allied health sciences here. Every time you turn on TV, new ailments and new treatments are being discovered and promoted. Plagues which have scourged mankind have been virtually conquered in America, everything from Polio to ED.

Although Joe Biden was charged by President Obama to cure cancer and that doofus failed.

Yet our life expectancy is dropping, while costs continue to rise.

US life expectancy has been declining. Here's why

If you take a look at the link, you'll see the 3 major causes of the decrease in life span. All 3 of these causes are associated mostly with younger to middle age adults.

• Drug Overdoes which are most common among young to middle age adults
• An increase in liver disease which is primarily due to increased alcohol consumption in men age 25 to 34.
• Increases in National Suicide Rate with biggest increase in ages 25 to 44.

Although these are healthcare issues, they are also social issues that the healthcare system can not fix on it's on.

Yeah...and death by doctor is the third leading cause of death. My guess is this is a lie. It likely is the first.

 

[Thinker101]

That's true, we've been waiting for these Democrat candidates to divulge just how much free costs.

When one cocksucker can game the system to attain $150 billion in net worth, I think we have the money.

Who "gamed" the system to get $150 B in net worth?

No one I ever heard of.

Bezos may have $150 Billion, but he earned it. Devised the Amazon system and is in the process of dominating retail or trying to.

LMFAO. Bezos is a fucking psychopath. When millions of Americans are suffering this cocksucker could help, but doesn’t.

Alrighty then, next three in line are:

• Bill Gates
• Warren Buffett
• Mark Zuckerberg

Which one(s) do you figure are going to help?

Fuck em all. Our system is set up for the wealthy to run it. They know it. Do You?
Billionaires from George Soros to Abigail Disney are begging to be taxed more

Quit being such an idiot, we know Soros and Buffett owe back taxes...and now for some stupid ass reason you figure they're willing to pay more?

 

[gipper]

When one cocksucker can game the system to attain $150 billion in net worth, I think we have the money.

Who "gamed" the system to get $150 B in net worth?

No one I ever heard of.

Bezos may have $150 Billion, but he earned it. Devised the Amazon system and is in the process of dominating retail or trying to.

LMFAO. Bezos is a fucking psychopath. When millions of Americans are suffering this cocksucker could help, but doesn’t.

Alrighty then, next three in line are:

• Bill Gates
• Warren Buffett
• Mark Zuckerberg

Which one(s) do you figure are going to help?

Fuck em all. Our system is set up for the wealthy to run it. They know it. Do You?
Billionaires from George Soros to Abigail Disney are begging to be taxed more

Quit being such an idiot, we know Soros and Buffett owe back taxes...and now for some stupid ass reason you figure they're willing to pay more?

Don’t be stupid. Read the link.

 

[Thinker101]

That's true, we've been waiting for these Democrat candidates to divulge just how much free costs.

When one cocksucker can game the system to attain $150 billion in net worth, I think we have the money.

Who "gamed" the system to get $150 B in net worth?

No one I ever heard of.

Bezos may have $150 Billion, but he earned it. Devised the Amazon system and is in the process of dominating retail or trying to.

LMFAO. Bezos is a fucking psychopath. When millions of Americans are suffering this cocksucker could help, but doesn’t.

Alrighty then, next three in line are:

• Bill Gates
• Warren Buffett
• Mark Zuckerberg

Which one(s) do you figure are going to help?

Fuck em all. Our system is set up for the wealthy to run it. They know it. Do You?
Billionaires from George Soros to Abigail Disney are begging to be taxed more

$
And BTW, Soros net worth is $8.3 billion, Buffet net worth is $78.3 billion....way short of the $32 trillion price tag.

 

[gipper]

When one cocksucker can game the system to attain $150 billion in net worth, I think we have the money.

Who "gamed" the system to get $150 B in net worth?

No one I ever heard of.

Bezos may have $150 Billion, but he earned it. Devised the Amazon system and is in the process of dominating retail or trying to.

LMFAO. Bezos is a fucking psychopath. When millions of Americans are suffering this cocksucker could help, but doesn’t.

Alrighty then, next three in line are:

• Bill Gates
• Warren Buffett
• Mark Zuckerberg

Which one(s) do you figure are going to help?

Fuck em all. Our system is set up for the wealthy to run it. They know it. Do You?
Billionaires from George Soros to Abigail Disney are begging to be taxed more

$
And BTW, Soros net worth is $8.3 billion, Buffet net worth is $78.3 billion....way short of the $32 trillion price tag.

Means nothing.

 

[Flopper]

CTVNews.ca Staff
Published Sunday, July 2, 2017 10:11PM EDT

"A new report from the Fraser Institute estimates that more than 63,000 Canadians travelled abroad for medical care in 2016.

"The think-tank says that's a nearly 40-per-cent increase over the previous year, and may be related to long wait times for medical procedures in Canada. But one professor warns the data is based only on estimates, making it highly questionable.

Your second link is worth reading, though it is too long for the willfully ignorant (those who only read the headline). At the end of the link, the top five best health care systems are Switzerland, Norway, Denmark, Sweden and Canada.

Yet their sick people come here. Go figure.

Half-truth. Very likely the wealthy come here, not the hoi polloi.

In other words, in Canada and other socialized medicine "paradises" , the poor are screwed. They are stuck in a line waiting for treatment

The poor are screwed in the US now. Wait times to see specialists under Medicaid can easy run 6 months or more. Doctors tell patients they can't take any more new Medicaid patients at this time and it doesn't matter how serious the illness or how sick you are.

The success of single payer depends on how much money the country wants to spend on healthcare. Canada purposely keeps utilization rates high to keep costs down. That mean long waits times for some specialized care.

However, unlike the US, Canada does use a triage system in which the most serious cases get shorter wait times. We solve that problem in the US with those majestic words, "cash payment".

Yep, just wait until it's "free" for everyone, that 6 month wait time will become 9 months for anything.

That argument is made often, mostly by people that do not utilize healthcare services or their brain a lot. Theory goes something like this: If we make movies, ice cream, and candy free, their will be huge lines with long waits for these free products. Thus, the same thing will happen with healthcare

The difference of course is that people love movies, ice cream, and candy but hate going to doctors, hospitals, and dentists. They go because they feel they have to go, not because they want to.

Following your line of reason, if we made burials and cremations free, the bodies would be stacked up at funeral homes in order to take advantage of the free service.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Yet their sick people come here. Go figure.

Half-truth. Very likely the wealthy come here, not the hoi polloi.

In other words, in Canada and other socialized medicine "paradises" , the poor are screwed. They are stuck in a line waiting for treatment

The poor are screwed in the US now. Wait times to see specialists under Medicaid can easy run 6 months or more. Doctors tell patients they can't take any more new Medicaid patients at this time and it doesn't matter how serious the illness or how sick you are.

The success of single payer depends on how much money the country wants to spend on healthcare. Canada purposely keeps utilization rates high to keep costs down. That mean long waits times for some specialized care.

However, unlike the US, Canada does use a triage system in which the most serious cases get shorter wait times. We solve that problem in the US with those majestic words, "cash payment".

Yep, just wait until it's "free" for everyone, that 6 month wait time will become 9 months for anything.

That argument is made often, mostly by people that do not utilize healthcare services or their brain a lot. Theory goes something like this: If we make movies, ice cream, and candy free, their will be huge lines with long waits for these free products. Thus, the same thing will happen with healthcare

The difference of course is that people love movies, ice cream, and candy but hate going to doctors, hospitals, and dentists. They go because they feel they have to go, not because they want to.

Following your line of reason, if we made burials and cremations free, the bodies would be stacked up at funeral homes in order to take advantage of the free service.

No. People who are bored, especially the elderly do go because it gives them something to do. My grandmother used to look forward to them and would make needless appointments constantly.

 

[Thinker101]

Yet their sick people come here. Go figure.

Half-truth. Very likely the wealthy come here, not the hoi polloi.

In other words, in Canada and other socialized medicine "paradises" , the poor are screwed. They are stuck in a line waiting for treatment

The poor are screwed in the US now. Wait times to see specialists under Medicaid can easy run 6 months or more. Doctors tell patients they can't take any more new Medicaid patients at this time and it doesn't matter how serious the illness or how sick you are.

The success of single payer depends on how much money the country wants to spend on healthcare. Canada purposely keeps utilization rates high to keep costs down. That mean long waits times for some specialized care.

However, unlike the US, Canada does use a triage system in which the most serious cases get shorter wait times. We solve that problem in the US with those majestic words, "cash payment".

Yep, just wait until it's "free" for everyone, that 6 month wait time will become 9 months for anything.

That argument is made often, mostly by people that do not utilize healthcare services or their brain a lot. Theory goes something like this: If we make movies, ice cream, and candy free, their will be huge lines with long waits for these free products. Thus, the same thing will happen with healthcare

The difference of course is that people love movies, ice cream, and candy but hate going to doctors, hospitals, and dentists. They go because they feel they have to go, not because they want to.

Following your line of reason, if we made burials and cremations free, the bodies would be stacked up at funeral homes in order to take advantage of the free service.

No kidding, what a dumbass analogy.

 

[Thinker101]

Yet their sick people come here. Go figure.

Half-truth. Very likely the wealthy come here, not the hoi polloi.

In other words, in Canada and other socialized medicine "paradises" , the poor are screwed. They are stuck in a line waiting for treatment

The poor are screwed in the US now. Wait times to see specialists under Medicaid can easy run 6 months or more. Doctors tell patients they can't take any more new Medicaid patients at this time and it doesn't matter how serious the illness or how sick you are.

The success of single payer depends on how much money the country wants to spend on healthcare. Canada purposely keeps utilization rates high to keep costs down. That mean long waits times for some specialized care.

However, unlike the US, Canada does use a triage system in which the most serious cases get shorter wait times. We solve that problem in the US with those majestic words, "cash payment".

Yep, just wait until it's "free" for everyone, that 6 month wait time will become 9 months for anything.

That argument is made often, mostly by people that do not utilize healthcare services or their brain a lot. Theory goes something like this: If we make movies, ice cream, and candy free, their will be huge lines with long waits for these free products. Thus, the same thing will happen with healthcare

The difference of course is that people love movies, ice cream, and candy but hate going to doctors, hospitals, and dentists. They go because they feel they have to go, not because they want to.

Following your line of reason, if we made burials and cremations free, the bodies would be stacked up at funeral homes in order to take advantage of the free service.

Maybe you ought to stop by and visit a County run ER, just to see first hand how expedient they are.

 

[Cellblock2429]

Yep, those with the most money get the best care. Those with no money get no healthcare. It's such a simple elegant system, you have to wonder why everyone is not embracing it.
It's also referred to as survival of the fittest.

In the richest nation the world has ever seen, we can’t have healthcare for all like much of the rest of the world. Somehow they make work, but we can’t.

Medicare for all would be cheaper than the shitshow we have now, but those big corporations wouldn’t be flush with cash to buy off the politicians. So, no go. Sorry. We Americans must protect the extraordinarily wealthy first and foremost.

/—-/ How thick can you be? They do it because the US supplies their national defense you dolt. As the president pushes them to pay their fair share of NATO expect those freebies to shrink drastically.

Fuck that too. We need to bring all our hired killers home. Mind our own business. Then turn the pentagon into affordable housing, terminate the CIA, NSA, NATO, ETC....

Please read....Koch-Backed Think Tank Finds That “Medicare for All” Would Cut Health Care Spending and Raise Wages. Whoops.

Medicare for All would reduce quality, especially if coupled with the liberal idea of outlawing private pay health care and insurance.

No.

/——-/ VA with vets committing suicide in the parking lot. Nuff said.

 

[Flopper]

Nothing is free and it won’t be free.

How can any American think this crazy system works, when 40 million Americans have no insurance? When millions of us could easily go bankrupt, if hit by a terrible disease. When costs have risen exponentially for decades, while life expectancy drops and many Americans are sickly.

It’s a scam.

That's true, we've been waiting for these Democrat candidates to divulge just how much free costs.

When one cocksucker can game the system to attain $150 billion in net worth, I think we have the money.

Who "gamed" the system to get $150 B in net worth?

No one I ever heard of.

Bezos may have $150 Billion, but he earned it. Devised the Amazon system and is in the process of dominating retail or trying to.

LMFAO. Bezos is a fucking psychopath. When millions of Americans are suffering this cocksucker could help, but doesn’t.

Bezos actually does help a lot. Provides jobs to many thousands of people, delivers people pills and books and other crap.

He is definitely helping out in his own way.

BTW, I don't care for the character, but he earns an honest living

$2 billion fund to support homeless families and education programs in undeserved communities.

 

[Cellblock2429]

The poor are screwed in the US now. Wait times to see specialists under Medicaid can easy run 6 months or more. Doctors tell patients they can't take any more new Medicaid patients at this time and it doesn't matter how serious the illness or how sick you are.

The success of single payer depends on how much money the country wants to spend on healthcare. Canada purposely keeps utilization rates high to keep costs down. That mean long waits times for some specialized care.

However, unlike the US, Canada does use a triage system in which the most serious cases get shorter wait times. We solve that problem in the US with those majestic words, "cash payment".

The government doesn't pay much to physicians to treat Medicaid patients you know. Its basically a charity for doctors to treat these patients, as they lose money or break even at best. And considering the fact that the number of Medicaid patients has expanded exponentially under the ACA, that's what you would expect.

But I'm surprised you've given up on O-Care so quickly. Why can't the libs support perhaps the idea of tweaking the program instead of shit canning it for Medicare for All.

You can not just shit can Obamacare. The party that tries won't be in power very long because it is too deeply ingrained in our healthcare system.

What I favor is increasing goverment healthcare subsidies to bring down deductibles and premiums and at the same time beginning a slow transition to Medicare by gradually lowering the age requirement. This would move the most expense people to insure to Medicare pushing insurance rates down. Within about 20 years, the health insurance risk pools would contain mostly young low risk customers. What we call healthcare plans today would become real insurance in which customers would pay relatively small premiums to insure against major medical emergencies. That's how began insurance.

We could stop lower the Medicare edibility age at any point leaving the younger workers in insurance pools.

Fuck that. Medicare for all is the best approach. If the rest of the civilized world can do it, why not the richest nation the world has ever seen?

HC in our nation is a fucking scam. It isn’t very effective, yet it is the most expensive in the world. It does greatly enrich the 1%.

In actuality, America has superb health care. Customers can choose the kind of health care they want as well as the price point they want to pay.

People come from all over the world to practice the art of medicine and the allied health sciences here. Every time you turn on TV, new ailments and new treatments are being discovered and promoted. Plagues which have scourged mankind have been virtually conquered in America, everything from Polio to ED.

Although Joe Biden was charged by President Obama to cure cancer and that doofus failed.

Yet our life expectancy is dropping, while costs continue to rise.

US life expectancy has been declining. Here's why

/—-/ Drugs and gang violence

 

[Flopper]

Half-truth. Very likely the wealthy come here, not the hoi polloi.

In other words, in Canada and other socialized medicine "paradises" , the poor are screwed. They are stuck in a line waiting for treatment

The poor are screwed in the US now. Wait times to see specialists under Medicaid can easy run 6 months or more. Doctors tell patients they can't take any more new Medicaid patients at this time and it doesn't matter how serious the illness or how sick you are.

The success of single payer depends on how much money the country wants to spend on healthcare. Canada purposely keeps utilization rates high to keep costs down. That mean long waits times for some specialized care.

However, unlike the US, Canada does use a triage system in which the most serious cases get shorter wait times. We solve that problem in the US with those majestic words, "cash payment".

Yep, just wait until it's "free" for everyone, that 6 month wait time will become 9 months for anything.

That argument is made often, mostly by people that do not utilize healthcare services or their brain a lot. Theory goes something like this: If we make movies, ice cream, and candy free, their will be huge lines with long waits for these free products. Thus, the same thing will happen with healthcare

The difference of course is that people love movies, ice cream, and candy but hate going to doctors, hospitals, and dentists. They go because they feel they have to go, not because they want to.

Following your line of reason, if we made burials and cremations free, the bodies would be stacked up at funeral homes in order to take advantage of the free service.

Maybe you ought to stop by and visit a County run ER, just to see first hand how expedient they are.

I think I've visited every damn ER in this county. My experience is wait time in an ER is very short if you have a real life threatening emergency. The time between the EMS person transferring you to the ER doctor is often only a minute or so.

However, if you use the ER the way many people do, that is your tummy is upset and you have a headache and you don't want to wait two days to see your doctor, then you should plan on a good 8 to 10 hours in the ER. An ER does not work on a first come first serve basis. They triage. You get a quick evaluation when you check in to determinate if it appears you have a life threaten emergency. If not they assign an ER room when one's available. After connecting you up to monitoring, a doctor checks you again to see if your condition appears life threatening. If not, he orders appropriate diagnostic tests and blood draws. Chances are you want see the the doctor until all tests are in. I've been through this with my wife, my kids, my grand kids, and myself many times.

Just because you wait in an ER a long time is not a sign they are short on personnel. If an ER provides immediate medical services for everyone that walks in the door, their staff would be twice as large as would their bill.

 

[Flopper]

Half-truth. Very likely the wealthy come here, not the hoi polloi.

In other words, in Canada and other socialized medicine "paradises" , the poor are screwed. They are stuck in a line waiting for treatment

The poor are screwed in the US now. Wait times to see specialists under Medicaid can easy run 6 months or more. Doctors tell patients they can't take any more new Medicaid patients at this time and it doesn't matter how serious the illness or how sick you are.

The success of single payer depends on how much money the country wants to spend on healthcare. Canada purposely keeps utilization rates high to keep costs down. That mean long waits times for some specialized care.

However, unlike the US, Canada does use a triage system in which the most serious cases get shorter wait times. We solve that problem in the US with those majestic words, "cash payment".

Yep, just wait until it's "free" for everyone, that 6 month wait time will become 9 months for anything.

That argument is made often, mostly by people that do not utilize healthcare services or their brain a lot. Theory goes something like this: If we make movies, ice cream, and candy free, their will be huge lines with long waits for these free products. Thus, the same thing will happen with healthcare

The difference of course is that people love movies, ice cream, and candy but hate going to doctors, hospitals, and dentists. They go because they feel they have to go, not because they want to.

Following your line of reason, if we made burials and cremations free, the bodies would be stacked up at funeral homes in order to take advantage of the free service.

No kidding, what a dumbass analogy.

So you think people will go to the doctor or ER and spend hours sitting there so they can be poked with needles and be told a lot of stuff they don't want to hear just because there's little or no cost.

 

[Cellblock2429]

How can any American think this crazy system works, when 40 million Americans have no insurance? When millions of us could easily go bankrupt, if hit by a terrible disease. When costs have risen exponentially for decades, while life expectancy drops and many Americans are sickly.

It’s a scam.

Everyone gets very sick and dies , if they live long enough.

And people are living longer, a lot longer, here in America. The number of people making it to their 90's and beyond has gone up exponentially.

More Americans living to age 90 and older; number of nonagenarians tripled over past three decades

/——/ Everyone who eats English peas dies—— eventually. Just sayin

 

[Thinker101]

In other words, in Canada and other socialized medicine "paradises" , the poor are screwed. They are stuck in a line waiting for treatment

The poor are screwed in the US now. Wait times to see specialists under Medicaid can easy run 6 months or more. Doctors tell patients they can't take any more new Medicaid patients at this time and it doesn't matter how serious the illness or how sick you are.

The success of single payer depends on how much money the country wants to spend on healthcare. Canada purposely keeps utilization rates high to keep costs down. That mean long waits times for some specialized care.

However, unlike the US, Canada does use a triage system in which the most serious cases get shorter wait times. We solve that problem in the US with those majestic words, "cash payment".

Yep, just wait until it's "free" for everyone, that 6 month wait time will become 9 months for anything.

That argument is made often, mostly by people that do not utilize healthcare services or their brain a lot. Theory goes something like this: If we make movies, ice cream, and candy free, their will be huge lines with long waits for these free products. Thus, the same thing will happen with healthcare

The difference of course is that people love movies, ice cream, and candy but hate going to doctors, hospitals, and dentists. They go because they feel they have to go, not because they want to.

Following your line of reason, if we made burials and cremations free, the bodies would be stacked up at funeral homes in order to take advantage of the free service.

No kidding, what a dumbass analogy.

So you think people will go to the doctor or ER and spend hours sitting there so they can be poked with needles and be told a lot of stuff they don't want to hear just because there's little or no cost.

Seems to work pretty good for illegals.