Universal Healthcare - will not work in the US

So what?

How much have Bill Gates and Jeff Bezos taken out of your pocket? They acquired BILLIONS at the same time you and I did not, so how much have then taken from you? Had they not acquired BILLIONS, how much more would be in your bank account today?

Probably quite a lot if the wealth were fairly distributed...

You see, funny thing. My Dad's Generation- people belonged to unions and rich people paid a 93% top marginal rate.. which kept them from getting TOO greedy. We had the greatest prosperity in history then.

Back when the tax rate was in the 90% range we were in the mist of WWII, the government was not charging that rate for fairness or to prevent people from getting TOO greedy. And guess what, there are still unions.
 
2) What you fail to understand and I have explained this to you numerous times is that IDC what country it is. If they are sending illegals here it creates a problem. We don’t send illegals into Canada and they don’t send illegals here. Your conflation is false because you’re an idiot.

Naw, guy, besides you making Dr. Goebbels really proud, your point is idiotic. Illegals are a net benefit to our economy.

3) I do have access. Insurance is not difficult to attain so long as you’re working. I care about me and my family. IDGAF about hypocrites like you.

Your argument would work if we lived in a country of selfish bastards...

Um. We don't. I have health insurance. I think everyone should, just as a matter of common fucking decency, but I keep forgetting you don't understand that concept...

And how, exactly, are illegals a net benefit to our economy?
 
Back when the tax rate was in the 90% range we were in the mist of WWII, the government was not charging that rate for fairness or to prevent people from getting TOO greedy. And guess what, there are still unions.

We kept the 93% tax rate up until 1960, when it was lowered to 70%, which was still pretty tough. Then Ronnie Reagan knocked it down to 33%, and we saw wealth inequality grow. That Ronnie Reagan also declared war on unions didn't help.

Here's a chart to help you out.

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Please note that the growth of wealth was fair and equal from 1945 up until 1980, and then Reagan started fucking with things, and we saw the working class decline and the rich grow.

And how, exactly, are illegals a net benefit to our economy?

Well, to start with, they do the bottom rung jobs no one wants to do. Sorry, those chickens aren't going to gut themselves... In fact, there are whole sections of truly unpleasant jobs I wouldn't do no matter how much you paid me and neither would you.
 
So what?

How much have Bill Gates and Jeff Bezos taken out of your pocket? They acquired BILLIONS at the same time you and I did not, so how much have then taken from you? Had they not acquired BILLIONS, how much more would be in your bank account today?

Probably quite a lot if the wealth were fairly distributed...

You see, funny thing. My Dad's Generation- people belonged to unions and rich people paid a 93% top marginal rate.. which kept them from getting TOO greedy. We had the greatest prosperity in history then.

No, "PROBABLY" doesn't answer the question. If you going to lie and make the allegation, step up little guy and PROVE IT!

How many people became multi-millionaires and millionaires because of Jeff Bezos and Bill Gates?

Personally, as a Realtor since the early 1970s, I earned hundreds of thousands of dollars more because I invested in computers many years before they became common. I continued to stay on the cutting edge, not the bleeding edge of technology. Millions of others did the same. Did Jeff Bezos not benefit from the advances laid out by Bill Gates?

As for our society being more prosperous back in the 50s, that's just stupid! If you want to go back and live in the style your household did back then, you go for it!

Personally, I live way better today than we did back then and the vast majority of Americans do too! If you do not, then it really sucks to be you!
 
Do you accept the fact that there is a minority of people, fewer than 20% of our society, who make bad decisions? Do you believe in rewarding bad behavior?

Oh, noes, we got another Medical Calvinist here.
The OP is correct at this time. Our system is far from perfect, but there is too much money being made. But, some things need to change. The far right are perceived as saying let the less fortunate die, move into a tent and eat cat food is not what they think, but is often being seen the the net effect. I have no solution for the masses. Personally know, I and my family I have been lucky. Now I have transitioned to Medicare and Tricare for life, as a retiree. Still, at my age, I wouldn't mind have that average of 3-5 more years longevity of the developed nations with their shitty universal care.
 
No, "PROBABLY" doesn't answer the question. If you going to lie and make the allegation, step up little guy and PROVE IT!

How many people became multi-millionaires and millionaires because of Jeff Bezos and Bill Gates?

I wouldn't know.

I do know the guys at Netscape went to the poor house because Bill Gates stole their idea and incorporated it into Windows 98.... I'm sure all the guys who got their jobs moved to India by MS felt a bit cheated, too.

As for our society being more prosperous back in the 50s, that's just stupid! If you want to go back and live in the style your household did back then, you go for it!

Personally, I live way better today than we did back then and the vast majority of Americans do too! If you do not, then it really sucks to be you!

I think you are a bit confused... yes, I have more nice technological toys now than they had back in the 1950's...

But in terms of things like Job Security, not so much.

Last years of his life, my Dad had a lot of health issues.. but because he belonged to a union, his employer (who neglected to tell him that the Asbestos he was working with was a carcinogen) couldn't fire him. What cured me of Republican Stupidity- as I've said - is when I busted up my knee and my employer and Cigna spent the next year fucking me over.

The ironic thing is, I consider myself lucky. My college years were back in the 1980's, when you could work a min, wage job and still afford a state college.

Nowadays, these kids get college degrees, put themselves massively in debt, and end up taking a shitty job at a Starbucks.

Then you all scratch your big monkey craniums and wonder why Bernie Sanders is so popular with them. Must be their professors lying to them about socialism!
 
I presume then we should all have the same "level of food", same "level of housing" same "level of job"... Right?

Nope, didn't say that at all..

In fact, I can't imagine what kind of truly EVIL fuck would want a poor child to die of a treatable disease because her parents are poor.

That's just all manner of fucked up...

Sure you did. Is food and shelter not just as important or more important than health care?

You just seem to insist on making stupid statements. No one WANTS to see a poor child die of a treatable disease. That explains why we have MEDICAID.

What part of this is not clear to you?
 
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Sure you did. Is food and shelter not just as important or more important than health care?

You just seem to insist on making stupid statements. No one WANTS to see a poor child die of a treatable disease. That explains why we have MEDICAID.

We have people who have to make a choice between food and medicine, then our system IS failing.

I think most of you right wingers really do want to see the poor go off and die... given that you keep trying to cut Medicaid and SCHIP and other programs like it.

Trump said he wouldn’t cut Medicaid, Social Security, and Medicare. His 2020 budget cuts all 3.

Yeah, fuck them poor people... those Dressage Horses aren't going to buy themselves for rich people!
 
Sure you did. Is food and shelter not just as important or more important than health care?

You just seem to insist on making stupid statements. No one WANTS to see a poor child die of a treatable disease. That explains why we have MEDICAID.

We have people who have to make a choice between food and medicine, then our system IS failing.

I think most of you right wingers really do want to see the poor go off and die... given that you keep trying to cut Medicaid and SCHIP and other programs like it.

Trump said he wouldn’t cut Medicaid, Social Security, and Medicare. His 2020 budget cuts all 3.

Yeah, fuck them poor people... those Dressage Horses aren't going to buy themselves for rich people!

Once again, you are dodging the questions. You are so transparent! You are lying, worse, you know it and continue to lie in a desperate effort to defend your defenseless positions.
 
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Back when the tax rate was in the 90% range we were in the mist of WWII, the government was not charging that rate for fairness or to prevent people from getting TOO greedy. And guess what, there are still unions.

We kept the 93% tax rate up until 1960, when it was lowered to 70%, which was still pretty tough. Then Ronnie Reagan knocked it down to 33%, and we saw wealth inequality grow. That Ronnie Reagan also declared war on unions didn't help.

Here's a chart to help you out.

inequality-pimer-infocus_infocus.png


Please note that the growth of wealth was fair and equal from 1945 up until 1980, and then Reagan started fucking with things, and we saw the working class decline and the rich grow.

And how, exactly, are illegals a net benefit to our economy?

Well, to start with, they do the bottom rung jobs no one wants to do. Sorry, those chickens aren't going to gut themselves... In fact, there are whole sections of truly unpleasant jobs I wouldn't do no matter how much you paid me and neither would you.

So you're going to show me how wonderful high taxes are by showing a chart on income gains?

How in the world did we manage to survive for so many years without those pesky illegals.
 
I wouldn't know.

I do know the guys at Netscape went to the poor house because Bill Gates stole their idea and incorporated it into Windows 98.... I'm sure all the guys who got their jobs moved to India by MS felt a bit cheated, too.

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Marc Andreessen, one of the founders of Netscape, net worth today is $1.32 BILLION. Not exactly the "poor house"?

As for Jim Clark, the other founder of Netscape

The divorce from his third wife of 15 years, Nancy Rutter, a Forbes journalist, is reported to have cost him $125 million in cash and assets in the settlement.

He remains the current owner of two other large sailing yachts:
Keep up the good work! You're an impressive troll helping to bring out the FACTS about your misguided lies.
 
2) What you fail to understand and I have explained this to you numerous times is that IDC what country it is. If they are sending illegals here it creates a problem. We don’t send illegals into Canada and they don’t send illegals here. Your conflation is false because you’re an idiot.

Naw, guy, besides you making Dr. Goebbels really proud, your point is idiotic. Illegals are a net benefit to our economy.

3) I do have access. Insurance is not difficult to attain so long as you’re working. I care about me and my family. IDGAF about hypocrites like you.

Your argument would work if we lived in a country of selfish bastards...

Um. We don't. I have health insurance. I think everyone should, just as a matter of common fucking decency, but I keep forgetting you don't understand that concept...
1) Immigrants do but illegals do not. Dr. Idiot.

2) We are super selfish. Your insurance sucks.
 
Back when the tax rate was in the 90% range we were in the mist of WWII, the government was not charging that rate for fairness or to prevent people from getting TOO greedy. And guess what, there are still unions.

We kept the 93% tax rate up until 1960, when it was lowered to 70%, which was still pretty tough. Then Ronnie Reagan knocked it down to 33%, and we saw wealth inequality grow. That Ronnie Reagan also declared war on unions didn't help.

Here's a chart to help you out.

inequality-pimer-infocus_infocus.png


Please note that the growth of wealth was fair and equal from 1945 up until 1980, and then Reagan started fucking with things, and we saw the working class decline and the rich grow.

And how, exactly, are illegals a net benefit to our economy?

Well, to start with, they do the bottom rung jobs no one wants to do. Sorry, those chickens aren't going to gut themselves... In fact, there are whole sections of truly unpleasant jobs I wouldn't do no matter how much you paid me and neither would you.
Another idiot post by JoeB. The real tax rate was never above 40% due to all the loopholes. JoeB is an uneducated fool. That’s the thing.
 
Back when the tax rate was in the 90% range we were in the mist of WWII, the government was not charging that rate for fairness or to prevent people from getting TOO greedy. And guess what, there are still unions.

We kept the 93% tax rate up until 1960, when it was lowered to 70%, which was still pretty tough. Then Ronnie Reagan knocked it down to 33%, and we saw wealth inequality grow. That Ronnie Reagan also declared war on unions didn't help.

Here's a chart to help you out.

inequality-pimer-infocus_infocus.png


Please note that the growth of wealth was fair and equal from 1945 up until 1980, and then Reagan started fucking with things, and we saw the working class decline and the rich grow.

And how, exactly, are illegals a net benefit to our economy?

Well, to start with, they do the bottom rung jobs no one wants to do. Sorry, those chickens aren't going to gut themselves... In fact, there are whole sections of truly unpleasant jobs I wouldn't do no matter how much you paid me and neither would you.

So you're going to show me how wonderful high taxes are by showing a chart on income gains?

How in the world did we manage to survive for so many years without those pesky illegals.


We always had illegals.
In fact, we have fewer now than ever before.
The net balance right now is negative, with more leaving than entering.
 
2) What you fail to understand and I have explained this to you numerous times is that IDC what country it is. If they are sending illegals here it creates a problem. We don’t send illegals into Canada and they don’t send illegals here. Your conflation is false because you’re an idiot.

Naw, guy, besides you making Dr. Goebbels really proud, your point is idiotic. Illegals are a net benefit to our economy.

3) I do have access. Insurance is not difficult to attain so long as you’re working. I care about me and my family. IDGAF about hypocrites like you.

Your argument would work if we lived in a country of selfish bastards...

Um. We don't. I have health insurance. I think everyone should, just as a matter of common fucking decency, but I keep forgetting you don't understand that concept...
1) Immigrants do but illegals do not. Dr. Idiot.

2) We are super selfish. Your insurance sucks.

Immigrants do not have health insurance, because it costs too much.
Not many families can afford $1200/month to prepay for something that might not happen.
Most programmers are hired as contractors, so do not get benefits like health insurance.

I have paid in over half a million in insurance premiums, and never got a single cent back out.
Now that I am retired, none of that money I paid in does me any good at all.
Face it, health insurance is a total scam, charging over twice what other countries do for the same health care.
 
Back when the tax rate was in the 90% range we were in the mist of WWII, the government was not charging that rate for fairness or to prevent people from getting TOO greedy. And guess what, there are still unions.

We kept the 93% tax rate up until 1960, when it was lowered to 70%, which was still pretty tough. Then Ronnie Reagan knocked it down to 33%, and we saw wealth inequality grow. That Ronnie Reagan also declared war on unions didn't help.

Here's a chart to help you out.

inequality-pimer-infocus_infocus.png


Please note that the growth of wealth was fair and equal from 1945 up until 1980, and then Reagan started fucking with things, and we saw the working class decline and the rich grow.

And how, exactly, are illegals a net benefit to our economy?

Well, to start with, they do the bottom rung jobs no one wants to do. Sorry, those chickens aren't going to gut themselves... In fact, there are whole sections of truly unpleasant jobs I wouldn't do no matter how much you paid me and neither would you.

So you're going to show me how wonderful high taxes are by showing a chart on income gains?

How in the world did we manage to survive for so many years without those pesky illegals.


We always had illegals.
In fact, we have fewer now than ever before.
The net balance right now is negative, with more leaving than entering.

You are so full of crap, we have no idea how many are here, we have no idea how many cross the border, the only thing we know is how many are deported. But for some dumbass reason you feel you know there are fewer now than ever?
 
2) What you fail to understand and I have explained this to you numerous times is that IDC what country it is. If they are sending illegals here it creates a problem. We don’t send illegals into Canada and they don’t send illegals here. Your conflation is false because you’re an idiot.

Naw, guy, besides you making Dr. Goebbels really proud, your point is idiotic. Illegals are a net benefit to our economy.

3) I do have access. Insurance is not difficult to attain so long as you’re working. I care about me and my family. IDGAF about hypocrites like you.

Your argument would work if we lived in a country of selfish bastards...

Um. We don't. I have health insurance. I think everyone should, just as a matter of common fucking decency, but I keep forgetting you don't understand that concept...
1) Immigrants do but illegals do not. Dr. Idiot.

2) We are super selfish. Your insurance sucks.

Immigrants do not have health insurance, because it costs too much.
Not many families can afford $1200/month to prepay for something that might not happen.
Most programmers are hired as contractors, so do not get benefits like health insurance.

I have paid in over half a million in insurance premiums, and never got a single cent back out.
Now that I am retired, none of that money I paid in does me any good at all.
Face it, health insurance is a total scam, charging over twice what other countries do for the same health care.
Idiot. I told You to never respond to my posts. Luckily you’re old and will die soon because your idiocy is off the charts.
 
Once again, you are dodging the questions. You are so transparent! You are lying, worse, you know it and continue to lie in a desperate effort to defend your defenseless positions.

I didn't dodge the question at all.

As long as you keep bringing up food, the thing is, food is affordable. We have MASSIVE government subsidies to make it affordable. As much as you guys deplore socialism, there's nothing more socialistic than our agriculture program in this country... $141 BILLION spent on creating and distributing food by the Federal Government alone.

The ironic thing is, ACA was a free-market solution you all said you wanted. UNTIL THE BLACK GUY DID IT.
 
You are so full of crap, we have no idea how many are here, we have no idea how many cross the border, the only thing we know is how many are deported. But for some dumbass reason you feel you know there are fewer now than ever?

Well, no, we know exactly how many are here now, about 11 million. less than the peak in 2007.

It's just not that big of a deal.
 

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