United States: Russia directly involved in battles in Ukraine

[Kevin_Kennedy]

And why should we just uncritically take the claims of the U.S. government at face value when it's their goal to expand NATO and completely isolate Russia? Not to mention their direct involvement in undermining the former Ukrainian government. It's not like they're a disinterested third party.

 

[Stratford57]

The democratically elected Ukrainian Parliament ousted Yanukovych because he was one of was the most corrupt politicians in modern history. He robbed the country blind and Ukrainians could no longer tolerate the situation.

August 13, 2014

"In a building in central Kiev, anti-corruption campaigners are piecing together tattered documents in their efforts to trace more than $30bn that prosecutors believe former President Viktor Yanukovich and his network stole from the Ukrainian state."

http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/3a6cf942-222e-11e4-ad60-00144feabdc0.html

Read up on Yanukovych's lifestyle, that of his family and cronies and there can be no doubt of just how bad he is.

That may be right but all the other presidents/prime ministers were (and are!) stealing even more. After International Currency Fund gave billions of euros to Yulia Timoshenko, when she was a prime minister, money disappeared in one-two-three counts.. All Ukrainian "rulers" were only good in stealing money, including current president Poroshenko, one of the richest oligarchs in Ukeaine

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

I wonder why the U.S. is so interested in Ukraine.

EconomicPolicyJournal.com Company In Which Joe Biden s Son Is Director Prepares To Drill Shale Gas In East Ukraine

Oh.

 

[Stratford57]

I wonder why the U.S. is so interested in Ukraine.

EconomicPolicyJournal.com Company In Which Joe Biden s Son Is Director Prepares To Drill Shale Gas In East Ukraine

Oh.

Thank you for bringing this subject. Vice President Joe Biden son Hunter Biden has joined the board of Burisma Holdings, Ukraine’s largest private gas producer. They say is just a coincidence. The U S is pouring a billion dollars into the Ukraine and Hunter Biden is tapped for a job in the SE Ukraine where the fighting is going on. I’m sure he i’s just receiving minimum wage. Or perhaps he'’s the only attorney in the entire world that could handle sure a big job. Either way, I’m sure there’'s no quid pro quo going on.

Burisma's chairman, Alan Apter says Biden was hired totally on merit. I feel a lot better now. But wait, there'’s another problem. Devon Archer another new Burisma board member works with Biden at Rosemont Seneca partners which is half own by Archer and Christopher Heinz, John Kerry's stepson. Sounds like someone is collecting on the billion dollars that the U S is sending the Ukraine. I’m sure I’ll receive my share any day now. Would anybody like some share too?

 

[tinydancer]

The democratically elected Ukrainian Parliament ousted Yanukovych because he was one of was the most corrupt politicians in modern history. He robbed the country blind and Ukrainians could no longer tolerate the situation.

August 13, 2014

"In a building in central Kiev, anti-corruption campaigners are piecing together tattered documents in their efforts to trace more than $30bn that prosecutors believe former President Viktor Yanukovich and his network stole from the Ukrainian state."

http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/3a6cf942-222e-11e4-ad60-00144feabdc0.html

Read up on Yanukovych's lifestyle, that of his family and cronies and there can be no doubt of just how bad he is.

When the protests started no one had even heard of a corruption case against the President. And no one has proof to date that he stole 30 Billion.

Surely you're not trying to unload a pantload of caca on us that the protests were about corruption are you?



That would be bullshit.

Oh and btw. when they overthrew him they did so against their constitution. This was a violent coup backed by the west to overthrow a duly elected President and his party.

 

[Indofred]

Russia should stop the stupid warmongering in Ukraine and supplying the pro-Russian sepetarists.

Should America have set up the coup that overthrew the elected Ukrainian government?
You can hardly complain about political instability when you set it off.

 

[tinydancer]

I wonder why the U.S. is so interested in Ukraine.

EconomicPolicyJournal.com Company In Which Joe Biden s Son Is Director Prepares To Drill Shale Gas In East Ukraine

Oh.

Didn't you love how the media just glossed over this? The classic "nothing to see here, move along".

Also at stake were the huge oil reserves off Crimea. Exxon and BP were in negotiations till whoopsies, Crimea voted to rejoin Russia.

That's one of the major reasons so many in the West are pissed off royally over Crimea. That of course and the West actually thought that Putin and Russia were going to give up their key ports without a murmur.

 

[tinydancer]

I have not one problem with anyone having an opinion. Everyone has a right to an opinion.

BUT no one has a right to their own facts.

Now for those who aren't up to speed on the Ukrainian Constitution here's the part that was not followed consequently the removal of the President was illegal.

There was no investigation and that is a mandate in the procedure to impeach. This is clearly outlined in the Constitution.

There is no gray here. This was not done.

"after the review of the case by the Constitutional Court of Ukraine and the receipt of its opinion on the observance of the constitutional procedure of investigation and consideration of the case of impeachment, and the receipt of the opinion of the Supreme Court of Ukraine to the effect that the acts, of which the President of Ukraine is accused, contain elements of state treason or other crime."


Article 111
The President of Ukraine may be removed from office by the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine by the procedure of impeachment, in the event that he or she commits state treason or other crime.

The issue of the removal of the President of Ukraine from office by the procedure of impeachment is initiated by the majority of the constitutional composition of the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine.

To conduct the investigation, the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine establishes a special temporary investigatory commission whose composition includes a special Prosecutor and special investigators.

The conclusions and proposals of the temporary investigatory commission are considered at a meeting of the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine.

For cause, the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine, by no less than two-thirds of its constitutional composition, adopts a decision on the accusation of the President of Ukraine.

The decision on the removal of the President of Ukraine from office by the procedure of impeachment is adopted by the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine by no less than three-quarters of its constitutional composition, after the review of the case by the Constitutional Court of Ukraine and the receipt of its opinion on the observance of the constitutional procedure of investigation and consideration of the case of impeachment, and the receipt of the opinion of the Supreme Court of Ukraine to the effect that the acts, of which the President of Ukraine is accused, contain elements of state treason or other crime.

Constitution of Ukraine 2004 - Wikisource the free online library

 

[Decus]

The democratically elected Ukrainian Parliament ousted Yanukovych because he was one of was the most corrupt politicians in modern history. He robbed the country blind and Ukrainians could no longer tolerate the situation.

August 13, 2014

"In a building in central Kiev, anti-corruption campaigners are piecing together tattered documents in their efforts to trace more than $30bn that prosecutors believe former President Viktor Yanukovich and his network stole from the Ukrainian state."

http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/3a6cf942-222e-11e4-ad60-00144feabdc0.html

Read up on Yanukovych's lifestyle, that of his family and cronies and there can be no doubt of just how bad he is.

When the protests started no one had even heard of a corruption case against the President. And no one has proof to date that he stole 30 Billion.

Surely you're not trying to unload a pantload of caca on us that the protests were about corruption are you?



That would be bullshit.

Oh and btw. when they overthrew him they did so against their constitution. This was a violent coup backed by the west to overthrow a duly elected President and his party.

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The timing of the 2005 Orange revolution was in part a protest against corruption and fraud in Ukrainian politics. People were fed up and took to the streets. Nothing changed but Ukrainians were very, very aware of the extent of corruption practised by Yanukovych and his kind. Everyone knew how corrupt Yanukovych was/is. This was one of many reports in 2012:

"It was sleaze and ballot-box fraud which triggered the "Orange Revolution" street protests of 2004-5 that doomed Yanukovich's first bid for the presidency and paved the way for Viktor Yushchenko's election in a re-run vote.

But the new 'Orange' leaders never purged the system before they were swept away by Yanukovich's comeback in a 2010 vote which won a clean bill of health from international monitors.

Findings of international agencies support the view that corruption is only accelerating under the present leadership.

Transparency International, which monitors corporate and political corruption, downgraded Ukraine to 152nd place out of 183 countries in a study in 2011.

Ernst & Young has set Ukraine among the world's three most corrupt nations alongside Colombia and Brazil."

Corruption No. 1 problem as Ukraine heads for election Reuters

The Orange Revolution is a fact and worsening corruption under Yanukovych is also a fact. To say that corruption did not contribute to the unrest and Yanukovych's ouster is a crock.

Also try to remember that Yanukovych was impeached by a democratically elected Parliament.

"Parliament votes 328-0 to impeach Yanukovych on Feb. 22"

Parliament votes 328-0 to impeach Yanukovych on Feb. 22 sets May 25 for new election Tymoshenko free VIDEO

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[tinydancer]

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The timing of the 2005 Orange revolution was in part a protest against corruption and fraud in Ukrainian politics. People were fed up and took to the streets. Nothing changed but Ukrainians were very, very aware of the extent of corruption practised by Yanukovych and his kind. Everyone knew how corrupt Yanukovych was/is. This was one of many reports in 2012:

"It was sleaze and ballot-box fraud which triggered the "Orange Revolution" street protests of 2004-5 that doomed Yanukovich's first bid for the presidency and paved the way for Viktor Yushchenko's election in a re-run vote.

But the new 'Orange' leaders never purged the system before they were swept away by Yanukovich's comeback in a 2010 vote which won a clean bill of health from international monitors.

Findings of international agencies support the view that corruption is only accelerating under the present leadership.

Transparency International, which monitors corporate and political corruption, downgraded Ukraine to 152nd place out of 183 countries in a study in 2011.

Ernst & Young has set Ukraine among the world's three most corrupt nations alongside Colombia and Brazil."

Corruption No. 1 problem as Ukraine heads for election Reuters

The Orange Revolution is a fact and worsening corruption under Yanukovych is also a fact. To say that corruption did not contribute to the unrest and Yanukovych's ouster is a crock.

Also try to remember that Yanukovych was impeached by a democratically elected Parliament.

"Parliament votes 328-0 to impeach Yanukovych on Feb. 22"

Parliament votes 328-0 to impeach Yanukovych on Feb. 22 sets May 25 for new election Tymoshenko free VIDEO

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Decus. I have put up the findings that the 2010 election were not only solid but cheered as a fabulous example of democracy at work.

He was duly elected. His parliamentarians were elected.

As to the impeachment I have also put up the Ukrainian Constitution where the articles of the removal of the President were absolutely not followed.

All makes his removal illegal. What part of coup and illegal removal BY THE UKRAINIANS OWN CONSTITUTION don't you get?

The vote means jack shit. Illegal coup. Illegal ouster. Bastards in Kiev more than happy to fire on anyone in East Ukraine. Over 3,000 dead I hear. As compared to supposedly 70 dead in Maidan Square.

Not a peep from the West because they love their killers in Kiev.

 

[JWBooth]

USA and NATO accuse Russia of a direct involvement in battles between the Seperatists and the western supported Ukrai

Rule #1 Don't believe what the government says.

 

[bendog]

Tiny, it's sort of a chicken and egg thing. The maj didn't want tighter ties to Russia, the guy tried to ram it through in his waning days, people revolted .....

At some point, you gotta stop pointing fingers, and they can be pointed at neocons and Putin, and try and find a workable solution.

If I'm a ukranian, I wouldn't want putin's hand in the pocketbook of natl gas. He's got an ugly history there.

 

[Stratford57]

I am from SE Ukraine (historical Russia) and can confirm: everything Tiny has posted is based on only, truly and nothing but facts. She/he really knows what she/he's talking about. All those Orange and other colorful "spontaneous" revolution were very well prepared and paid by Western governments. Also Soros' money were behind them everywhere around Russia. If you have noticed the countries where colorful revolutions have occurred look all together on the map like a belt under Russia's belly. Coincidence?

 

[Decus]

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The timing of the 2005 Orange revolution was in part a protest against corruption and fraud in Ukrainian politics. People were fed up and took to the streets. Nothing changed but Ukrainians were very, very aware of the extent of corruption practised by Yanukovych and his kind. Everyone knew how corrupt Yanukovych was/is. This was one of many reports in 2012:

"It was sleaze and ballot-box fraud which triggered the "Orange Revolution" street protests of 2004-5 that doomed Yanukovich's first bid for the presidency and paved the way for Viktor Yushchenko's election in a re-run vote.

But the new 'Orange' leaders never purged the system before they were swept away by Yanukovich's comeback in a 2010 vote which won a clean bill of health from international monitors.

Findings of international agencies support the view that corruption is only accelerating under the present leadership.

Transparency International, which monitors corporate and political corruption, downgraded Ukraine to 152nd place out of 183 countries in a study in 2011.

Ernst & Young has set Ukraine among the world's three most corrupt nations alongside Colombia and Brazil."

Corruption No. 1 problem as Ukraine heads for election Reuters

The Orange Revolution is a fact and worsening corruption under Yanukovych is also a fact. To say that corruption did not contribute to the unrest and Yanukovych's ouster is a crock.

Also try to remember that Yanukovych was impeached by a democratically elected Parliament.

"Parliament votes 328-0 to impeach Yanukovych on Feb. 22"

Parliament votes 328-0 to impeach Yanukovych on Feb. 22 sets May 25 for new election Tymoshenko free VIDEO

.

Decus. I have put up the findings that the 2010 election were not only solid but cheered as a fabulous example of democracy at work.

He was duly elected. His parliamentarians were elected.

As to the impeachment I have also put up the Ukrainian Constitution where the articles of the removal of the President were absolutely not followed.

All makes his removal illegal. What part of coup and illegal removal BY THE UKRAINIANS OWN CONSTITUTION don't you get?

The vote means jack shit. Illegal coup. Illegal ouster. Bastards in Kiev more than happy to fire on anyone in East Ukraine. Over 3,000 dead I hear. As compared to supposedly 70 dead in Maidan Square.

Not a peep from the West because they love their killers in Kiev.

First of all the claim of Nazis, killers and that it was a coup was made by Yanukovych and his cronies and later used by Putin's propaganda machine to justify Russia's theft of Ukrainian territory and has been so effective that it remains part of the story told by Putin to justify his actions.

"In the statement broadcast on Ukrainian television, Yanukovych said the ongoing turmoil in Ukraine had all the hallmarks of a coup attempt and likened opposition forces' activities to those of the Nazis in the 1930s."

Yanukovych Says He Won t Give In to Bandits News The Moscow Times

What would you expect a crook like Yanukovych to say?

Take a look at Article 111 of the Ukrainian Constitution which reads:

"Article 111


The President of Ukraine may be removed from office by the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine by the procedure of impeachment, in the event that he or she commits state treason or other crime."

Constitute

The 1996 version of Article 111 reads the same way.

The debate over the constitutionality of Yanukovych's impeachment cannot negate that the Rada does have the constitutional power to remove the president. Rada as you know is the name for parliament.

That Ukrainians aspire to have the same opportunities that are enjoyed by new member states like the Czech Republic, Bulgaria, Romania, etc, rather than face a return to a new and improved Soviet empire seems very reasonable. You might want to read up on the Eurasian Union and Putin's dream of the USSR 2.0.

I'll tell you what Tiny, when the Czech Republic votes to rejoin the Soviet Bloc I'll admit that you were right all along and that Yanukovych is just a victim of a plot against Ukrainian interests.

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[Decus]

I am from SE Ukraine (historical Russia) and can confirm: everything Tiny has posted is based on only, truly and nothing but facts. She/he really knows what she/he's talking about. All those Orange and other colorful "spontaneous" revolution were very well prepared and paid by Western governments. Also Soros' money were behind them everywhere around Russia. If you have noticed the countries where colorful revolutions have occurred look all together on the map like a belt under Russia's belly. Coincidence?

To have to depend on Russia for your freedom is not a desirable prospect. If you listen to Putin, he decides which countries can be independent and those that belong to Russia. Here is his latest claim of ownership about a week ago:

"Fears are growing in Kazakhstan over Moscow's rhetoric towards the country following Russia President Vladimir Putin's claim that "Kazakhstan never had any statehood", it was "created".


The Russian leader told a pro-Kremlin youth camp at Lake Seliger near Moscow that Kazakhstan's President Nursultan Nazarbayev had "created a state on a territory that never had a state."


"Kazakhs never had any statehood, he has created it," he said."

Vladimir Putin Continues Soviet Rhetoric by Questioning Kazakhstan s Created Independence

Screwing with Kazakhstan could get Putin knocked on his ass and he better be very careful with this one. China as you may know has made huge investments in Kazakhstan and a pipeline is being built to pump oil directly to China. They will not sit by and allow the Russians to take over the oil fields.

 

[Camp]

I am from SE Ukraine (historical Russia) and can confirm: everything Tiny has posted is based on only, truly and nothing but facts. She/he really knows what she/he's talking about. All those Orange and other colorful "spontaneous" revolution were very well prepared and paid by Western governments. Also Soros' money were behind them everywhere around Russia. If you have noticed the countries where colorful revolutions have occurred look all together on the map like a belt under Russia's belly. Coincidence?

Did your family migrate to Ukraine after Russia with guidance from Stalin cleansed the Ukraine population with the Holodomor murders. Like Tiny, you sound like a traitor to Ukraine. You can not support Russians coming from Russia to kill people born and raised in Ukraine and not be a traitor. The Ukraine Army is full of Russian speaking Ukrainians who have relatives over in Russia. They are loyal to Ukraine. There are more of them fighting the Russian invaders and terrorist than there are with the separatist. Without the Russian invaders their would be no separatist.

 

[Vigilante]

 

[1776]

It is funny seeing the uneducated shit cheer on for Putin and invent lies about the EU and the US "meddling" in Ukraine.

Russia has invaded Ukraine you stupid fuck sacks of shit.

 

[guno]

USA and NATO accuse Russia of a direct involvement in battles between the Seperatists and the western supported Ukrainian army. According to their report, Russian armored forces directly supported the rebels. Russia has denied the involvement but meanwhile, Putin compared the Ukrainian army with the Wehrmacht.

U.S. official says 1 000 Russian troops enter Ukraine - CNN.com

German TV Shows Nazi Symbols on Helmets of Ukraine Soldiers
Germans were confronted with images of their country’s dark past on Monday night, when German public broadcaster ZDF showed video of Ukrainian soldiers with Nazi symbols on their helmets in its evening newscast. In a report on the fragile cease-fire in eastern Ukraine, Moscow correspondent Bernhard Lichte used pictures of a soldier wearing a combat helmet with the "SS runes" of Hitler’s infamous black-uniformed elite corps. A second soldier was seen with a swastika on his gear. “
German TV Shows Nazi Symbols on Helmets of Ukraine Soldiers - NBC News

 

[1776]

Wow....a few idiots with Nazi stuff on their helmets.

One can also find Nazi shit, black gang shit, Hispanic gang shit in the US Army.

Of course the shit-eater is aligned with the closet socialist Putin.