CDZ Unions for car makers vs. unions for teachers...school vouchers vs. car vouchers...

[2aguy]

In another thread, Ford union employees and their benefits were discussed as a way to say that if school vouchers were ever universal, teachers would suffer...and this is not true since the comparison between the Ford Union Employee and the Teacher union employee are not even close to being the same.

Ford union employees, at the end of the day, have to compete with other car companies for essentially "Car Vouchers" to put it one way. The voucher is essentially what you pay for your car...if they make a bad car you take your car "voucher" and buy a Toyota, or a Dodge, or a Kia....so the better the car company does, as assessed by how many "vouchers" they get, the more money the unions can legitimately demand.....and often get....

Teachers unions? They are completely disconnected from the end product ...the success of their students. If they last a few years, they get tenure, and cannot be fired, regardless if they are actually getting students to learn the subjects they are teaching. When you have a bad 2nd grade teacher, who passes through a student who can't read at grade level or do math at grade level...that "product", the student...goes forward anyway......and then they are behind in 3rd grade, and so on......so by the time the child drops out of high school.....you can't just pin it on one teacher...who you couldn't replace anyway....

School vouchers would change this dynamic...if a parent sees that their child is not learning, they can take that voucher to another school to get a better "product"...an educated child.....now, a teacher is accountable for the end product.....and the school they work for has a reason to hire the best teachers and to pay those teachers good salaries...since the teacher makes the product that gets the school the "voucher."

So comparing Ford Union employees to teacher's unions is not the right comparison...since one is private, and must create a competitive product, and the other is public sector with no connection to the end product.....

 

[beagle9]

Watching the news, and the unity of many diverse liberal groups are obviously joined together to get this nation back on track to finally destroying it like they were on track to do prior to Trump. It is amazing how entrenched and brainwashed these people are, and how they have been manipulated to think that they can destroy the sovereignty of this nation, open it's borders to continued problems, drugs, human smuggling, illegals, possibly terrorism and etc. People are seeing just how bad this country has been on a path of destruction for quite sometime now. These liberals are doing everything except actually going to war literally with those who want to bring back some sense to this nation again, and to have school choice as just one of those senseable things we need badly in order to battle the failure rates. Who knew that liberals were against good change like they are, but people see what they are all about now.

 

[jillian]

In another thread, Ford union employees and their benefits were discussed as a way to say that if school vouchers were ever universal, teachers would suffer...and this is not true since the comparison between the Ford Union Employee and the Teacher union employee are not even close to being the same.

Ford union employees, at the end of the day, have to compete with other car companies for essentially "Car Vouchers" to put it one way. The voucher is essentially what you pay for your car...if they make a bad car you take your car "voucher" and buy a Toyota, or a Dodge, or a Kia....so the better the car company does, as assessed by how many "vouchers" they get, the more money the unions can legitimately demand.....and often get....

Teachers unions? They are completely disconnected from the end product ...the success of their students. If they last a few years, they get tenure, and cannot be fired, regardless if they are actually getting students to learn the subjects they are teaching. When you have a bad 2nd grade teacher, who passes through a student who can't read at grade level or do math at grade level...that "product", the student...goes forward anyway......and then they are behind in 3rd grade, and so on......so by the time the child drops out of high school.....you can't just pin it on one teacher...who you couldn't replace anyway....

School vouchers would change this dynamic...if a parent sees that their child is not learning, they can take that voucher to another school to get a better "product"...an educated child.....now, a teacher is accountable for the end product.....and the school they work for has a reason to hire the best teachers and to pay those teachers good salaries...since the teacher makes the product that gets the school the "voucher."

So comparing Ford Union employees to teacher's unions is not the right comparison...since one is private, and must create a competitive product, and the other is public sector with no connection to the end product.....

do you think american workers should be paid as if they're mexican or chinese or indonesian?

 

[danielpalos]

In another thread, Ford union employees and their benefits were discussed as a way to say that if school vouchers were ever universal, teachers would suffer...and this is not true since the comparison between the Ford Union Employee and the Teacher union employee are not even close to being the same.

Ford union employees, at the end of the day, have to compete with other car companies for essentially "Car Vouchers" to put it one way. The voucher is essentially what you pay for your car...if they make a bad car you take your car "voucher" and buy a Toyota, or a Dodge, or a Kia....so the better the car company does, as assessed by how many "vouchers" they get, the more money the unions can legitimately demand.....and often get....

Teachers unions? They are completely disconnected from the end product ...the success of their students. If they last a few years, they get tenure, and cannot be fired, regardless if they are actually getting students to learn the subjects they are teaching. When you have a bad 2nd grade teacher, who passes through a student who can't read at grade level or do math at grade level...that "product", the student...goes forward anyway......and then they are behind in 3rd grade, and so on......so by the time the child drops out of high school.....you can't just pin it on one teacher...who you couldn't replace anyway....

School vouchers would change this dynamic...if a parent sees that their child is not learning, they can take that voucher to another school to get a better "product"...an educated child.....now, a teacher is accountable for the end product.....and the school they work for has a reason to hire the best teachers and to pay those teachers good salaries...since the teacher makes the product that gets the school the "voucher."

So comparing Ford Union employees to teacher's unions is not the right comparison...since one is private, and must create a competitive product, and the other is public sector with no connection to the end product.....

Public schools also accommodate the disabled, or those with, "pre-existing conditions".

 

[norwegen]

In another thread, Ford union employees and their benefits were discussed as a way to say that if school vouchers were ever universal, teachers would suffer...and this is not true since the comparison between the Ford Union Employee and the Teacher union employee are not even close to being the same.

Ford union employees, at the end of the day, have to compete with other car companies for essentially "Car Vouchers" to put it one way. The voucher is essentially what you pay for your car...if they make a bad car you take your car "voucher" and buy a Toyota, or a Dodge, or a Kia....so the better the car company does, as assessed by how many "vouchers" they get, the more money the unions can legitimately demand.....and often get....

Teachers unions? They are completely disconnected from the end product ...the success of their students. If they last a few years, they get tenure, and cannot be fired, regardless if they are actually getting students to learn the subjects they are teaching. When you have a bad 2nd grade teacher, who passes through a student who can't read at grade level or do math at grade level...that "product", the student...goes forward anyway......and then they are behind in 3rd grade, and so on......so by the time the child drops out of high school.....you can't just pin it on one teacher...who you couldn't replace anyway....

School vouchers would change this dynamic...if a parent sees that their child is not learning, they can take that voucher to another school to get a better "product"...an educated child.....now, a teacher is accountable for the end product.....and the school they work for has a reason to hire the best teachers and to pay those teachers good salaries...since the teacher makes the product that gets the school the "voucher."

So comparing Ford Union employees to teacher's unions is not the right comparison...since one is private, and must create a competitive product, and the other is public sector with no connection to the end product.....

do you think american workers should be paid as if they're mexican or chinese or indonesian?

Are other people's wages for you to determine? Or anyone else not involved?

 

[beagle9]

In another thread, Ford union employees and their benefits were discussed as a way to say that if school vouchers were ever universal, teachers would suffer...and this is not true since the comparison between the Ford Union Employee and the Teacher union employee are not even close to being the same.

Ford union employees, at the end of the day, have to compete with other car companies for essentially "Car Vouchers" to put it one way. The voucher is essentially what you pay for your car...if they make a bad car you take your car "voucher" and buy a Toyota, or a Dodge, or a Kia....so the better the car company does, as assessed by how many "vouchers" they get, the more money the unions can legitimately demand.....and often get....

Teachers unions? They are completely disconnected from the end product ...the success of their students. If they last a few years, they get tenure, and cannot be fired, regardless if they are actually getting students to learn the subjects they are teaching. When you have a bad 2nd grade teacher, who passes through a student who can't read at grade level or do math at grade level...that "product", the student...goes forward anyway......and then they are behind in 3rd grade, and so on......so by the time the child drops out of high school.....you can't just pin it on one teacher...who you couldn't replace anyway....

School vouchers would change this dynamic...if a parent sees that their child is not learning, they can take that voucher to another school to get a better "product"...an educated child.....now, a teacher is accountable for the end product.....and the school they work for has a reason to hire the best teachers and to pay those teachers good salaries...since the teacher makes the product that gets the school the "voucher."

So comparing Ford Union employees to teacher's unions is not the right comparison...since one is private, and must create a competitive product, and the other is public sector with no connection to the end product.....

do you think american workers should be paid as if they're mexican or chinese or indonesian?

. You mean like government workers have been paid over the years, and therefore robbing the people who have worked for government of their drive, innovation, creativity and etc. ??

 

[beagle9]

In another thread, Ford union employees and their benefits were discussed as a way to say that if school vouchers were ever universal, teachers would suffer...and this is not true since the comparison between the Ford Union Employee and the Teacher union employee are not even close to being the same.

Ford union employees, at the end of the day, have to compete with other car companies for essentially "Car Vouchers" to put it one way. The voucher is essentially what you pay for your car...if they make a bad car you take your car "voucher" and buy a Toyota, or a Dodge, or a Kia....so the better the car company does, as assessed by how many "vouchers" they get, the more money the unions can legitimately demand.....and often get....

Teachers unions? They are completely disconnected from the end product ...the success of their students. If they last a few years, they get tenure, and cannot be fired, regardless if they are actually getting students to learn the subjects they are teaching. When you have a bad 2nd grade teacher, who passes through a student who can't read at grade level or do math at grade level...that "product", the student...goes forward anyway......and then they are behind in 3rd grade, and so on......so by the time the child drops out of high school.....you can't just pin it on one teacher...who you couldn't replace anyway....

School vouchers would change this dynamic...if a parent sees that their child is not learning, they can take that voucher to another school to get a better "product"...an educated child.....now, a teacher is accountable for the end product.....and the school they work for has a reason to hire the best teachers and to pay those teachers good salaries...since the teacher makes the product that gets the school the "voucher."

So comparing Ford Union employees to teacher's unions is not the right comparison...since one is private, and must create a competitive product, and the other is public sector with no connection to the end product.....

Public schools also accommodate the disabled, or those with, "pre-existing conditions".

. Good grief... Kidding right ??

 

[Wyatt earp]

In another thread, Ford union employees and their benefits were discussed as a way to say that if school vouchers were ever universal, teachers would suffer...and this is not true since the comparison between the Ford Union Employee and the Teacher union employee are not even close to being the same.

Ford union employees, at the end of the day, have to compete with other car companies for essentially "Car Vouchers" to put it one way. The voucher is essentially what you pay for your car...if they make a bad car you take your car "voucher" and buy a Toyota, or a Dodge, or a Kia....so the better the car company does, as assessed by how many "vouchers" they get, the more money the unions can legitimately demand.....and often get....

Teachers unions? They are completely disconnected from the end product ...the success of their students. If they last a few years, they get tenure, and cannot be fired, regardless if they are actually getting students to learn the subjects they are teaching. When you have a bad 2nd grade teacher, who passes through a student who can't read at grade level or do math at grade level...that "product", the student...goes forward anyway......and then they are behind in 3rd grade, and so on......so by the time the child drops out of high school.....you can't just pin it on one teacher...who you couldn't replace anyway....

School vouchers would change this dynamic...if a parent sees that their child is not learning, they can take that voucher to another school to get a better "product"...an educated child.....now, a teacher is accountable for the end product.....and the school they work for has a reason to hire the best teachers and to pay those teachers good salaries...since the teacher makes the product that gets the school the "voucher."

So comparing Ford Union employees to teacher's unions is not the right comparison...since one is private, and must create a competitive product, and the other is public sector with no connection to the end product.....

do you think american workers should be paid as if they're mexican or chinese or indonesian?

Red State factory workers make more money now then blue state factory workers... Right to work is the proven way to go


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The other big cluster of industrial hotspots is in the Southeast. Manufacturing has been heading to the region for several decades, recently primed by major investments from German and Japanese companies, among others. A prime example is Nashville-Davidson-Murfreesboro, Tenn., No. 4 on our list, where manufacturing employment has jumped 23.9% since 2009. Japan’s Nissan and Bridgestone have establishing manufacturing plants in Central Tennessee, which has also created opportunities for small domestic parts companies in the region. Nissan also relocated its U.S. headquarters to the area in 2006 from Southern California. And domestic auto makers are have become major players in the Southeast—Ford employs some 14,000 in the Louisville, Ky., area, which checks in at No. 7 among our largest MSAs. The South, notes a recentBrookings study, now has the highest number of workers in the country employed in “advanced industries,” which tend to be the higher paying, more technically oriented parts of the factory economy.

 

[beagle9]

In another thread, Ford union employees and their benefits were discussed as a way to say that if school vouchers were ever universal, teachers would suffer...and this is not true since the comparison between the Ford Union Employee and the Teacher union employee are not even close to being the same.

Ford union employees, at the end of the day, have to compete with other car companies for essentially "Car Vouchers" to put it one way. The voucher is essentially what you pay for your car...if they make a bad car you take your car "voucher" and buy a Toyota, or a Dodge, or a Kia....so the better the car company does, as assessed by how many "vouchers" they get, the more money the unions can legitimately demand.....and often get....

Teachers unions? They are completely disconnected from the end product ...the success of their students. If they last a few years, they get tenure, and cannot be fired, regardless if they are actually getting students to learn the subjects they are teaching. When you have a bad 2nd grade teacher, who passes through a student who can't read at grade level or do math at grade level...that "product", the student...goes forward anyway......and then they are behind in 3rd grade, and so on......so by the time the child drops out of high school.....you can't just pin it on one teacher...who you couldn't replace anyway....

School vouchers would change this dynamic...if a parent sees that their child is not learning, they can take that voucher to another school to get a better "product"...an educated child.....now, a teacher is accountable for the end product.....and the school they work for has a reason to hire the best teachers and to pay those teachers good salaries...since the teacher makes the product that gets the school the "voucher."

So comparing Ford Union employees to teacher's unions is not the right comparison...since one is private, and must create a competitive product, and the other is public sector with no connection to the end product.....

do you think american workers should be paid as if they're mexican or chinese or indonesian?

. You got a problem with the people you mention when you tie their ethnicity to their pay ?? Hmmm.

 

[beagle9]

In another thread, Ford union employees and their benefits were discussed as a way to say that if school vouchers were ever universal, teachers would suffer...and this is not true since the comparison between the Ford Union Employee and the Teacher union employee are not even close to being the same.

Ford union employees, at the end of the day, have to compete with other car companies for essentially "Car Vouchers" to put it one way. The voucher is essentially what you pay for your car...if they make a bad car you take your car "voucher" and buy a Toyota, or a Dodge, or a Kia....so the better the car company does, as assessed by how many "vouchers" they get, the more money the unions can legitimately demand.....and often get....

Teachers unions? They are completely disconnected from the end product ...the success of their students. If they last a few years, they get tenure, and cannot be fired, regardless if they are actually getting students to learn the subjects they are teaching. When you have a bad 2nd grade teacher, who passes through a student who can't read at grade level or do math at grade level...that "product", the student...goes forward anyway......and then they are behind in 3rd grade, and so on......so by the time the child drops out of high school.....you can't just pin it on one teacher...who you couldn't replace anyway....

School vouchers would change this dynamic...if a parent sees that their child is not learning, they can take that voucher to another school to get a better "product"...an educated child.....now, a teacher is accountable for the end product.....and the school they work for has a reason to hire the best teachers and to pay those teachers good salaries...since the teacher makes the product that gets the school the "voucher."

So comparing Ford Union employees to teacher's unions is not the right comparison...since one is private, and must create a competitive product, and the other is public sector with no connection to the end product.....

do you think american workers should be paid as if they're mexican or chinese or indonesian?

Red State factory workers make more money now then blue state factory workers... Right to work is the proven way to go


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. Not always... I think the people's right to unionize is just as important as people's right not to unionize, but who has effectively overseen either of them when they go rogue ? It is a problem.

 

[Wyatt earp]

In another thread, Ford union employees and their benefits were discussed as a way to say that if school vouchers were ever universal, teachers would suffer...and this is not true since the comparison between the Ford Union Employee and the Teacher union employee are not even close to being the same.

Ford union employees, at the end of the day, have to compete with other car companies for essentially "Car Vouchers" to put it one way. The voucher is essentially what you pay for your car...if they make a bad car you take your car "voucher" and buy a Toyota, or a Dodge, or a Kia....so the better the car company does, as assessed by how many "vouchers" they get, the more money the unions can legitimately demand.....and often get....

Teachers unions? They are completely disconnected from the end product ...the success of their students. If they last a few years, they get tenure, and cannot be fired, regardless if they are actually getting students to learn the subjects they are teaching. When you have a bad 2nd grade teacher, who passes through a student who can't read at grade level or do math at grade level...that "product", the student...goes forward anyway......and then they are behind in 3rd grade, and so on......so by the time the child drops out of high school.....you can't just pin it on one teacher...who you couldn't replace anyway....

School vouchers would change this dynamic...if a parent sees that their child is not learning, they can take that voucher to another school to get a better "product"...an educated child.....now, a teacher is accountable for the end product.....and the school they work for has a reason to hire the best teachers and to pay those teachers good salaries...since the teacher makes the product that gets the school the "voucher."

So comparing Ford Union employees to teacher's unions is not the right comparison...since one is private, and must create a competitive product, and the other is public sector with no connection to the end product.....

do you think american workers should be paid as if they're mexican or chinese or indonesian?

Red State factory workers make more money now then blue state factory workers... Right to work is the proven way to go


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. Not always... I think the people's right to unionize is just as important as people's right not to unionize, but who has effectively overseen either of them when they go rogue ? It is a problem.

The high pay high tech factory jobs moved south that article proved it

 

[danielpalos]

In another thread, Ford union employees and their benefits were discussed as a way to say that if school vouchers were ever universal, teachers would suffer...and this is not true since the comparison between the Ford Union Employee and the Teacher union employee are not even close to being the same.

Ford union employees, at the end of the day, have to compete with other car companies for essentially "Car Vouchers" to put it one way. The voucher is essentially what you pay for your car...if they make a bad car you take your car "voucher" and buy a Toyota, or a Dodge, or a Kia....so the better the car company does, as assessed by how many "vouchers" they get, the more money the unions can legitimately demand.....and often get....

Teachers unions? They are completely disconnected from the end product ...the success of their students. If they last a few years, they get tenure, and cannot be fired, regardless if they are actually getting students to learn the subjects they are teaching. When you have a bad 2nd grade teacher, who passes through a student who can't read at grade level or do math at grade level...that "product", the student...goes forward anyway......and then they are behind in 3rd grade, and so on......so by the time the child drops out of high school.....you can't just pin it on one teacher...who you couldn't replace anyway....

School vouchers would change this dynamic...if a parent sees that their child is not learning, they can take that voucher to another school to get a better "product"...an educated child.....now, a teacher is accountable for the end product.....and the school they work for has a reason to hire the best teachers and to pay those teachers good salaries...since the teacher makes the product that gets the school the "voucher."

So comparing Ford Union employees to teacher's unions is not the right comparison...since one is private, and must create a competitive product, and the other is public sector with no connection to the end product.....

Public schools also accommodate the disabled, or those with, "pre-existing conditions".

. Good grief... Kidding right ??

Only those with diversions which are usually considered fallacies, must be kidding.

 

[beagle9]

In another thread, Ford union employees and their benefits were discussed as a way to say that if school vouchers were ever universal, teachers would suffer...and this is not true since the comparison between the Ford Union Employee and the Teacher union employee are not even close to being the same.

Ford union employees, at the end of the day, have to compete with other car companies for essentially "Car Vouchers" to put it one way. The voucher is essentially what you pay for your car...if they make a bad car you take your car "voucher" and buy a Toyota, or a Dodge, or a Kia....so the better the car company does, as assessed by how many "vouchers" they get, the more money the unions can legitimately demand.....and often get....

Teachers unions? They are completely disconnected from the end product ...the success of their students. If they last a few years, they get tenure, and cannot be fired, regardless if they are actually getting students to learn the subjects they are teaching. When you have a bad 2nd grade teacher, who passes through a student who can't read at grade level or do math at grade level...that "product", the student...goes forward anyway......and then they are behind in 3rd grade, and so on......so by the time the child drops out of high school.....you can't just pin it on one teacher...who you couldn't replace anyway....

School vouchers would change this dynamic...if a parent sees that their child is not learning, they can take that voucher to another school to get a better "product"...an educated child.....now, a teacher is accountable for the end product.....and the school they work for has a reason to hire the best teachers and to pay those teachers good salaries...since the teacher makes the product that gets the school the "voucher."

So comparing Ford Union employees to teacher's unions is not the right comparison...since one is private, and must create a competitive product, and the other is public sector with no connection to the end product.....

do you think american workers should be paid as if they're mexican or chinese or indonesian?

Red State factory workers make more money now then blue state factory workers... Right to work is the proven way to go


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. Not always... I think the people's right to unionize is just as important as people's right not to unionize, but who has effectively overseen either of them when they go rogue ? It is a problem.

The high pay high tech factory jobs moved south that article proved it

. What does geography have to do with what happens in individual companies ? Do tell... Class warfare in this nation need not continue unabated, and companies shouldn't be unionizing in management levels and/or in ownerships across these lands in order to screw over the American workers either. It has been a problem.

 

[beagle9]

In another thread, Ford union employees and their benefits were discussed as a way to say that if school vouchers were ever universal, teachers would suffer...and this is not true since the comparison between the Ford Union Employee and the Teacher union employee are not even close to being the same.

Ford union employees, at the end of the day, have to compete with other car companies for essentially "Car Vouchers" to put it one way. The voucher is essentially what you pay for your car...if they make a bad car you take your car "voucher" and buy a Toyota, or a Dodge, or a Kia....so the better the car company does, as assessed by how many "vouchers" they get, the more money the unions can legitimately demand.....and often get....

Teachers unions? They are completely disconnected from the end product ...the success of their students. If they last a few years, they get tenure, and cannot be fired, regardless if they are actually getting students to learn the subjects they are teaching. When you have a bad 2nd grade teacher, who passes through a student who can't read at grade level or do math at grade level...that "product", the student...goes forward anyway......and then they are behind in 3rd grade, and so on......so by the time the child drops out of high school.....you can't just pin it on one teacher...who you couldn't replace anyway....

School vouchers would change this dynamic...if a parent sees that their child is not learning, they can take that voucher to another school to get a better "product"...an educated child.....now, a teacher is accountable for the end product.....and the school they work for has a reason to hire the best teachers and to pay those teachers good salaries...since the teacher makes the product that gets the school the "voucher."

So comparing Ford Union employees to teacher's unions is not the right comparison...since one is private, and must create a competitive product, and the other is public sector with no connection to the end product.....

Public schools also accommodate the disabled, or those with, "pre-existing conditions".

. Good grief... Kidding right ??

Only those with diversions which are usually considered fallacies, must be kidding.

. Are you saying that charter schools would defy law's in this country ?

 

[Wyatt earp]

In another thread, Ford union employees and their benefits were discussed as a way to say that if school vouchers were ever universal, teachers would suffer...and this is not true since the comparison between the Ford Union Employee and the Teacher union employee are not even close to being the same.

Ford union employees, at the end of the day, have to compete with other car companies for essentially "Car Vouchers" to put it one way. The voucher is essentially what you pay for your car...if they make a bad car you take your car "voucher" and buy a Toyota, or a Dodge, or a Kia....so the better the car company does, as assessed by how many "vouchers" they get, the more money the unions can legitimately demand.....and often get....

Teachers unions? They are completely disconnected from the end product ...the success of their students. If they last a few years, they get tenure, and cannot be fired, regardless if they are actually getting students to learn the subjects they are teaching. When you have a bad 2nd grade teacher, who passes through a student who can't read at grade level or do math at grade level...that "product", the student...goes forward anyway......and then they are behind in 3rd grade, and so on......so by the time the child drops out of high school.....you can't just pin it on one teacher...who you couldn't replace anyway....

School vouchers would change this dynamic...if a parent sees that their child is not learning, they can take that voucher to another school to get a better "product"...an educated child.....now, a teacher is accountable for the end product.....and the school they work for has a reason to hire the best teachers and to pay those teachers good salaries...since the teacher makes the product that gets the school the "voucher."

So comparing Ford Union employees to teacher's unions is not the right comparison...since one is private, and must create a competitive product, and the other is public sector with no connection to the end product.....

do you think american workers should be paid as if they're mexican or chinese or indonesian?

Red State factory workers make more money now then blue state factory workers... Right to work is the proven way to go


US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum

. Not always... I think the people's right to unionize is just as important as people's right not to unionize, but who has effectively overseen either of them when they go rogue ? It is a problem.

The high pay high tech factory jobs moved south that article proved it

. What does geography have to do with what happens in individual companies ? Do tell... Class warfare in this nation need not continue unabated, and companies shouldn't be unionizing in management levels and/or in ownerships across these lands in order to screw over the American workers either. It has been a problem.

Uhm... Right to work has everything to do with it...

 

[danielpalos]

In another thread, Ford union employees and their benefits were discussed as a way to say that if school vouchers were ever universal, teachers would suffer...and this is not true since the comparison between the Ford Union Employee and the Teacher union employee are not even close to being the same.

Ford union employees, at the end of the day, have to compete with other car companies for essentially "Car Vouchers" to put it one way. The voucher is essentially what you pay for your car...if they make a bad car you take your car "voucher" and buy a Toyota, or a Dodge, or a Kia....so the better the car company does, as assessed by how many "vouchers" they get, the more money the unions can legitimately demand.....and often get....

Teachers unions? They are completely disconnected from the end product ...the success of their students. If they last a few years, they get tenure, and cannot be fired, regardless if they are actually getting students to learn the subjects they are teaching. When you have a bad 2nd grade teacher, who passes through a student who can't read at grade level or do math at grade level...that "product", the student...goes forward anyway......and then they are behind in 3rd grade, and so on......so by the time the child drops out of high school.....you can't just pin it on one teacher...who you couldn't replace anyway....

School vouchers would change this dynamic...if a parent sees that their child is not learning, they can take that voucher to another school to get a better "product"...an educated child.....now, a teacher is accountable for the end product.....and the school they work for has a reason to hire the best teachers and to pay those teachers good salaries...since the teacher makes the product that gets the school the "voucher."

So comparing Ford Union employees to teacher's unions is not the right comparison...since one is private, and must create a competitive product, and the other is public sector with no connection to the end product.....

Public schools also accommodate the disabled, or those with, "pre-existing conditions".

. Good grief... Kidding right ??

Only those with diversions which are usually considered fallacies, must be kidding.

. Are you saying that charter schools would defy law's in this country ?

Only if their CEOs want to keep their bonuses by lying to their stockholders.

 

[beagle9]

In another thread, Ford union employees and their benefits were discussed as a way to say that if school vouchers were ever universal, teachers would suffer...and this is not true since the comparison between the Ford Union Employee and the Teacher union employee are not even close to being the same.

Ford union employees, at the end of the day, have to compete with other car companies for essentially "Car Vouchers" to put it one way. The voucher is essentially what you pay for your car...if they make a bad car you take your car "voucher" and buy a Toyota, or a Dodge, or a Kia....so the better the car company does, as assessed by how many "vouchers" they get, the more money the unions can legitimately demand.....and often get....

Teachers unions? They are completely disconnected from the end product ...the success of their students. If they last a few years, they get tenure, and cannot be fired, regardless if they are actually getting students to learn the subjects they are teaching. When you have a bad 2nd grade teacher, who passes through a student who can't read at grade level or do math at grade level...that "product", the student...goes forward anyway......and then they are behind in 3rd grade, and so on......so by the time the child drops out of high school.....you can't just pin it on one teacher...who you couldn't replace anyway....

School vouchers would change this dynamic...if a parent sees that their child is not learning, they can take that voucher to another school to get a better "product"...an educated child.....now, a teacher is accountable for the end product.....and the school they work for has a reason to hire the best teachers and to pay those teachers good salaries...since the teacher makes the product that gets the school the "voucher."

So comparing Ford Union employees to teacher's unions is not the right comparison...since one is private, and must create a competitive product, and the other is public sector with no connection to the end product.....

Public schools also accommodate the disabled, or those with, "pre-existing conditions".

. Good grief... Kidding right ??

Only those with diversions which are usually considered fallacies, must be kidding.

. Are you saying that charter schools would defy law's in this country ?

Only if their CEOs want to keep their bonuses by lying to their stockholders.

. Wouldn't government regulators be keeping an eye on things ? Would these schools have no oversight what so ever ? All that needs to happen, is the laws be obeyed, and results happen.

 

[danielpalos]

Public schools also accommodate the disabled, or those with, "pre-existing conditions".

. Good grief... Kidding right ??

Only those with diversions which are usually considered fallacies, must be kidding.

. Are you saying that charter schools would defy law's in this country ?

Only if their CEOs want to keep their bonuses by lying to their stockholders.

. Wouldn't government regulators be keeping an eye on things ? Would these schools have no oversight what so ever ? All that needs to happen, is the laws be obeyed, and results happen.

Profit and loss.

 

[beagle9]

. Good grief... Kidding right ??

Only those with diversions which are usually considered fallacies, must be kidding.

. Are you saying that charter schools would defy law's in this country ?

Only if their CEOs want to keep their bonuses by lying to their stockholders.

. Wouldn't government regulators be keeping an eye on things ? Would these schools have no oversight what so ever ? All that needs to happen, is the laws be obeyed, and results happen.

Profit and loss.

. Nothing wrong with profits (everyone benefits), and if not run right then everyone loses including the top. Must have incentives to win, and oversight to ensure corruption doesn't take hold in any form in which causes a catastrophic loss.

 

[Dragonlady]

Only those with diversions which are usually considered fallacies, must be kidding.

. Are you saying that charter schools would defy law's in this country ?

Only if their CEOs want to keep their bonuses by lying to their stockholders.

. Wouldn't government regulators be keeping an eye on things ? Would these schools have no oversight what so ever ? All that needs to happen, is the laws be obeyed, and results happen.

Profit and loss.

. Nothing wrong with profits (everyone benefits), and if not run right then everyone loses including the top. Must have incentives to win, and oversight to ensure corruption doesn't take hold in any form in which causes a catastrophic loss.

The profit motive means that special needs kids are too expensive to take on. So are discipline problems, and kids who aren't bright enough to make their schools test scores shine. Charter schools have turned away children of colour, children whose parents are gay, or the "wrong" religion.

Many religious schools and charter schools exist to discriminate against people the parents don't want around their snowflake children.