Uncovered: The War in Iraq

nakedemperor said:
I'm not going to participate in this link anymore because its underminind my original point

:rotflmao:

No kidding? Really? Libs being undermined? On here? are you sure?
 
DKSuddeth said:
why do you support undermining? :p:

He didn't like my linkies? Or he couldn't bother reading? Or maybe it was WHAT he read that was undermining his points??? :read:
 
nakedemperor said:
If people watch this and continue to stick ehind this neoconservative-run administration, then the blind partisanship that does not allow people to see the subversive, unpatriotic shortcomings of this administration is even stronger than I thought.

I doubt you even know what you are afraid of. Define Neoconservative. I think its just name calling thing for you.
 
DKSuddeth said:
Office of Special Programs? this is new to me. you have proof of this also? please post it.

Office of Special Plans, actually...was set up by Rummy to basically second guess the CIA, and massage intel that would support war with Iraq.

For more info, go to the sites listed below for detailed stories on the OSP.

<a href=http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,999737,00.html>The Guardian Unlimited</a>

<a href=http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/?030512fa_fact>The New Yorker</a>

<a href=http://www.tompaine.com/feature2.cfm/ID/8725>Tom Paine.com</a>

<a href=http://www.counterpunch.org/leopold07262003.html>Counter-Punch</a>

It was also know as "The Office of Faith-Based Intelligence"
 
Why would I waste ten bucks buying something that is "the whole truth" when, in this beautiful nation of completely free information, I can find out the whole truth for free.

Besides, just about anything justifies freeing the Iraqi people.

Do you think rape rooms are a good thing?
 
Bullypulpit said:
Office of Special Plans, actually...was set up by Rummy to basically second guess the CIA, and massage intel that would support war with Iraq.

For more info, go to the sites listed below for detailed stories on the OSP.

<a href=http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,999737,00.html>The Guardian Unlimited</a>

<a href=http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/?030512fa_fact>The New Yorker</a>

<a href=http://www.tompaine.com/feature2.cfm/ID/8725>Tom Paine.com</a>

<a href=http://www.counterpunch.org/leopold07262003.html>Counter-Punch</a>

It was also know as "The Office of Faith-Based Intelligence"

Okay!! I have had enough of the "messaging the intel" fecal matter!

Congress voted overwhelmingly for the war, did it not?

Congress had exactly the same intelligence that the president and everyone else in the world had, did it not?

Saddam was in violation of several United Nations resolutions which were to be enforced by the United States and anyone else who wanted to help, was he not?

Saddam was an evil bastard, was he not?

The Iraqi people can form their own government now, can they not?

THE WAR IS RIGHT, IS IT NOT?!?!?!?!!????!!!!????
 
popefumanchu said:
Why would I waste ten bucks buying something that is "the whole truth" when, in this beautiful nation of completely free information, I can find out the whole truth for free.

Besides, just about anything justifies freeing the Iraqi people.

Do you think rape rooms are a good thing?

liberals only like to help others when there is no real benefit to the US. Why? There should be SOME sort of benefit, whether safety, resources, allies, etc., there should be a payoff for spending our money to help others. Bosnia and Kosovo were really not a great investment. A girl was just hired at my POE who was actually born in Bosnia, and her parents immigrated here about 10 years ago. She actually spent time in Germany, as well as Costa Rica, before becoming an actual US Citizen last summer. She said the US efforts in Bosnia were/are fruitless. She said the people appreciated it though.

Apparently, in the eyes of liberals, Iraqis are not worthy of such help, just because they have a resource that we value and is the life of our society today. Not only that, is that by us BUYING the oil, we will be putting money into the pockets of the people there, thus creating a better future for Iraq. Liberals don't like commercialism, even though it is the best way to rebuild Iraq's economy and secure their future, because it builds jobs-people without jobs are their bread and butter. If we wanted the oil, and that's all, we would be paying a fraction of the prices we are now for gas, because it would be carted in by the shiploads. And the added benefit to freeing Iraq is our knowing that another evil rat has been evicted. There is so much good going on over in Iraq, but the news stations only report the bad stuff. Why report the good, when the bad stuff wins votes for the DemocRATS?

And if the argument comes up that "Bush went about it the wrong way"...what was the RIGHT way? I would like to know.
 
popefumanchu said:
Okay!! I have had enough of the "messaging the intel" fecal matter!

Congress voted overwhelmingly for the war, did it not?

Congress had exactly the same intelligence that the president and everyone else in the world had, did it not?

Saddam was in violation of several United Nations resolutions which were to be enforced by the United States and anyone else who wanted to help, was he not?

Saddam was an evil bastard, was he not?

The Iraqi people can form their own government now, can they not?

THE WAR IS RIGHT, IS IT NOT?!?!?!?!!????!!!!????

great points...I wonder when bullypulpshit will give up?
 
nakedemperor said:
So I just watched the DVD documentary Uncovered: The Whole Truth About the War in Iraq. Prior to watching it I was opposed to the Bush Admin but in favor of the pre-emptive war in Iraq which I deemed necessary to prevent another 9/11 in the U.S. The only reason I mention that is because, having watched this thing, I am completely and utterly at a loss... The document boasts the most impressive series of interviewed experts, ranging from White House upper-echilons to UN Weapon Inspectors to (most importantly) CIA directives and analysts. The documentary reveals INNUMERABLE proven lies, embellishments, and falsifications that the administration made in their justification for war (which, had they been telling the truth, would have completely justify our invasion and occupation). I literally don't know where to start. But please, if you have true bipartisan patriotism in your hearts, please watch this comprehensive, diffinitive, unbelievably eye-opening indictment of the lies told by the Bush admin. and, most importantly, irrefutible evidence that they knew they were lying about countless justification claims.

Anyway I bought this sucker on Amazon, its very cheap, and it will change your entire perspective on the partisan hatred that exists in our singular, extraordinary country today.

Just in case you're peeking back in, I notice you mention "experts, ranging from White House upper-echilons to UN Weapon Inspectors to (most importantly) CIA directives and analysts" but don't mention any names. Who are these people? Don't bother with the UN weapon inspectors if you answer. The UN has little credibility with me anymore.
 
popefumanchu said:
Okay!! I have had enough of the "messaging the intel" fecal matter!

Congress voted overwhelmingly for the war, did it not?

Congress had exactly the same intelligence that the president and everyone else in the world had, did it not?

Saddam was in violation of several United Nations resolutions which were to be enforced by the United States and anyone else who wanted to help, was he not?

Saddam was an evil bastard, was he not?

The Iraqi people can form their own government now, can they not?

THE WAR IS RIGHT, IS IT NOT?!?!?!?!!????!!!!????


Because they were fed the same intel the OSP spun for the Administration...

Lemme get this straight...An administration which utterly disdains the UN wants to enforce UN resolutions...

So is Kim Jung Il, so is the junta ruling Burma, so is Sudan's head of state, and the list goes on. But you don't see the administration rushing out to oust those bloody handed dictators, do you?

The ostensible reason for war with Iraq was the grave and urgent threat posed by non-existent WMD, not national liberation...Or have you forgotten already?

The war is, was and shall forever be...WRONG. Wishing otherwise will not make it so, which is just what the Administration and its brain-dead supporters are doing.
 

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