Uh oh! Democrats getting hammered by religious voters

[California Girl]

You mean: there's jack-shit you can do about it. We don't use double negatives in the English language.

Twit.

Really? And how do you propose to enforce a Catholics-only discriminatory hospital? Are Catholics all given an ID card upon enlistment? Or do you propose patients take an oath upon admittance? Yeah, they'll stay in business long.

We're Catholics... we'll find our own way - if we are forced to. But it is good to know that you are happy to trample on the First Amendment.

LOL In other words: It's not going to happen.

No, that's your words. Please don't 'translate' my words - you're not mentally equipped to do so. And most posters - the rational ones - don't need your translations.

 

[sfcalifornia]

We're Catholics... we'll find our own way - if we are forced to. But it is good to know that you are happy to trample on the First Amendment.

LOL In other words: It's not going to happen.

No, that's your words. Please don't 'translate' my words - you're not mentally equipped to do so. And most posters - the rational ones - don't need your translations.

You mean: Those are your words.

Translation: CG is full of shit and she knows it!

LMAO!

 

[California Girl]

all these assumptions and no evidence....
Notice how i never actually gave an opinion on the actual issue?
Defeats your whole take a view assumption....But what else is new....
And thanks for the neg....

Find out for yourself. I'm sick of spoon feeding morons. Yea, I do notice that you add absolutely nothing to the forum. There is no need to point out your own uselessness.

And... you got negged for telling me to 'shut up'. This isn't your board. You are not a Mod. So fuck you, asshole. Don't whine about negs... makes you look even more of a pathetic, sniveling brat.

so you have nothing but insults? someone has a temper it seems because people don't praise her. I mean all this ranting and no evidence to back up your claims. Hell Teapartysamurai at least produces some sort of link to back up her shit. You have nothing.

Spoon feed? Asking to back up your statement is spoon feeding? Okie dokie.......Thats not what spoon feeding is but hey what ever you need to do in order to make yourself feel better.


It must be fun being a rightwing troll...

I insult you because you provide nothing. You whine like a stuck pig.

The issue is that one needs to research the topic. How many Catholic institutions are there in the US, which are affected, how many non catholics are affected, etc etc etc. That requires an interested individual do to their own work - there is no HuffPuff piece to 'back up'...... it's a little bit harder than that. You're so used to being spoon fed 'information' and 'opinions' that you accept as fact.... if I did provide you with the research, and links, it would be too fucking hard for you to work it out for yourself from that... there is no point.

 

[Cowman]

We're Catholics... we'll find our own way - if we are forced to. But it is good to know that you are happy to trample on the First Amendment.

LOL In other words: It's not going to happen.

No, that's your words. Please don't 'translate' my words - you're not mentally equipped to do so. And most posters - the rational ones - don't need your translations.

I dunno... an 100% bitch probably needs some translation, to not have people think of them as nothing but a XXXXX-Meister.

 

[GuyPinestra]

That's not practical or realistic.

BUT, even if the Catholic Church did decide to discriminate in their hospitals based on religious affiliation, I would not have a problem with them closing their doors completely, clearing the way for another hospital to operate on a secular basis.

I don't care what you would or wouldn't have a 'problem' with. If we want to operate our own hospitals, serving Catholics only, there ain't jack shit you can do about it. First Amendment and all that.... unless, you think you're gonna scrap that. Idiot.

You mean: there's jack-shit you can do about it. We don't use double negatives in the English language.

Twit.

Really? And how do you propose to enforce a Catholics-only discriminatory hospital? Are Catholics all given an ID card upon enlistment? Or do you propose patients take an oath upon admittance? Yeah, they'll stay in business long.

It's idiotic statements like this that prove the stupidity of the Left. They're not IN BUSINESS, you dolt. Catholic hospitals are run as CHARITIES. They're not doing it to turn a PROFIT. They're simply helping the people who need it the most, and your ridiculous insistence that they violate their own conscience will cause those poorest people to NOT get the FREE help they so DESPERATELY NEED!


How fucking stupid can you people be???

 

[California Girl]

I don't care what you would or wouldn't have a 'problem' with. If we want to operate our own hospitals, serving Catholics only, there ain't jack shit you can do about it. First Amendment and all that.... unless, you think you're gonna scrap that. Idiot.

You mean: there's jack-shit you can do about it. We don't use double negatives in the English language.

Twit.

Really? And how do you propose to enforce a Catholics-only discriminatory hospital? Are Catholics all given an ID card upon enlistment? Or do you propose patients take an oath upon admittance? Yeah, they'll stay in business long.

It's idiotic statements like this that prove the stupidity of the Left. They're not IN BUSINESS, you dolt. Catholic hospitals are run as CHARITIES. They're not doing it to turn a PROFIT. They're simply helping the people who need it the most, and your ridiculous insistence that they violate their own conscience will cause those poorest people to NOT get the FREE help they so DESPERATELY NEED!


How fucking stupid can you people be???

They appear to labor under the misapprehension that the Church is somehow either making a profit or being fully funded by government. They couldn't be more wrong.

Frankly, the liberals stance on this is sickening. I may have to reevaluate my view of the liberals.

 

[California Girl]

In case anyone is actually interested in the figures.... let's take just the Catholic Hospitals in the US as an example. There are 625 Catholic Hospitals across the country - often in the most economically deprived areas of the country. The Church itself funds those hospitals to a total of $5.7 billion, the total operating costs of those hospitals is $84.6 billion.

One in six patients across this country is cared for in a Catholic Hospital. If you are uninsured, we don't come chasing you for money you don't have. We don't ask the government to pay it. We pick up the tab.

$5.7 billion. I help pay that. It comes from me - and my fellow Catholic Americans. Do we ask you for anything in return? No. Except, it would have been nice if you could see past your sick fucking partisan bullshit.... and supported our work in your fucking communities. You people are sick. But our hospitals cannot cure your sickness.

 

[uscitizen]

Oh, it's SUNDAY MORNING "PREACHER."

But you're here.....

Go away liar.

You are a welfare loser sitting in your underwear behind a computer, nothing more.

You and Obamination are fake Christians.

Oh, I've never heard a wannabe preacher brag about their daughter killing unborn babieS.

Where did I say he bragged about it????

Delusional again?

shows what you think you know.

Except for the underwear part

 

[Annie]

I'm aware there are many pro choicers out there. I support their right to be pro choice. I just wish that you would do likewise and support the Catholic Church's stance not to be forced by government to provide services that are against our core beliefs.

That’s not the situation. If a Catholic hospital is going to function in a secular capacity as a secular employer, it must be subject to the same laws as any other employer. Non-Catholic employees are entitled to comprehensive health insurance, regardless the employer’s religions affiliation.

Indeed, a Catholic hospital is required to abide by other employment laws and policies, such as work hours and pay rates.

If this stance by the government is successful.... Catholic Hospitals will be forced to close their doors to anyone who is not Catholic. Currently, those hospitals provide care and treatment to anyone - regardless of race, color, creed or sexual orientation.... and most of that care is funded by the Church - not by your taxes. We ask nothing in return for that. Other than we are not forced to provide services that we cannot provide. Surely, you see that?

Catholic hospitals won’t be forced to close their doors, that’s baseless hyperbole. And Catholic hospitals aren’t being required to provide any services they object to, they’re providing medical insurance to their employees, nothing more. What treatment the insurance pays for is a private matter between the employee/patient and his doctor, and considered medically necessary accordingly.

This is yet another non-issue contrived by the right in an effort to realize some perceived political advantage.

Wrong, the premise of the controversy is that the government is using coercive power resulting in Catholic institutions to provide birth control and prescriptions for morning after pill, not just hospitals, that employ non-Catholics or serve non-Catholics. The Church staffs, (Catholic) would not fall under these rules. Neither would most successful Catholic schools, that serve overwhelmingly suburban Catholic children and are staffed overwhelmingly by Catholic staff.

The recourse is to only employ and service Catholics, in spite of the bulk of Catholic outreach being to the poor, many if not most of whom are non-Catholics. For some reason the Catholic Church has put a premium on the theory of 'social justice' which includes serving all of God's children. Time to reevaluate that here in the US.

 

[Sarah G]

Oh, it's SUNDAY MORNING "PREACHER."

But you're here.....

Go away liar.

You are a welfare loser sitting in your underwear behind a computer, nothing more.

Where did I say he bragged about it????

Delusional again?

shows what you think you know.

Except for the underwear part

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

They're simply helping the people who need it the most, and your ridiculous insistence that they violate their own conscience will cause those poorest people to NOT get the FREE help they so DESPERATELY NEED!

Hysterical nonsense.

No one is being compelled to violate anything. The employer/hospital merely provides the health coverage, how that coverage is used is the business only of the patient, doctor, and insurance company. As far as the employer/hospital knows, no ‘inappropriate’ services are being provided.

This non-issue is about partisan politics only.

 

[JoeB131]

Yes...Religious voters will flock to the Mormon

Well, Romney carried the Catholic vote 2-1 in Nevada.... which, given Obama's current fight with us... does not bode well for your Messiah in the GE.

The overall vote in Nevada was down from 2008 and only half the anticipated 70,000 the GOP had predicted would participate.

 

[California Girl]

Yes...Religious voters will flock to the Mormon

Well, Romney carried the Catholic vote 2-1 in Nevada.... which, given Obama's current fight with us... does not bode well for your Messiah in the GE.

The overall vote in Nevada was down from 2008 and only half the anticipated 70,000 the GOP had predicted would participate.

Not for the first time, you're mistaking me for someone who gives a damn.

 

[uscitizen]

With the low Republican primary voter turnouts it seems that perhaps Obama might win.
Or will the right bond together in fellowship and claim to have the best candidate ever? Whomever that may be.

What ever happened to the Tea Party anyway?

 

[sealybobo]

With the low Republican primary voter turnouts it seems that perhaps Obama might win.
Or will the right bond together in fellowship and claim to have the best candidate ever? Whomever that may be.

What ever happened to the Tea Party anyway?

Republicans count on low voter turn out for midterms. Then they suggest they have a mandate.

This should teach Democratic voters that its important to show up every two years.

And Republicans are hoping that people who voted for Obama will either vote for Romney or not show up. Not a chance in hell.

Mitt will do no better than McCain. He may win a couple more states because the GOP have redrawn voting districts and they will no doubt steal a state or two like they did in 2000 and 2004, but I don't think it will be enough.

Something really bad will have to happen between now and then, and so far looks like the economy is getting better, not worst. Makes all their doomsday talk about socialism seem like bs, huh?

And don't forget when the economy was falling apart on the middle class but the corporations were doing fine, in 2005 and 2006, the GOP said things were fine. They liked it that the middle classes wages were going down and we were bleeding jobs. Hell, they passed tax breaks for companies going overseas.

Now they want to say they know best?

The tea party imploded when the Wallstreeters came into existance. It exposed them for a Koch Brother fraud they were. Their agenda is the Billionaires agenda.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Well, Romney carried the Catholic vote 2-1 in Nevada.... which, given Obama's current fight with us... does not bode well for your Messiah in the GE.

Nonsense.

No Catholics are paying attention to any ‘fight,’ most aren’t even paying attention to the primaries overall, like the rest of the voters – it will be forgotten well before November.

Catholics who voted for Obama in 2008 will vote for him again, or stay home. But they won’t be voting for Romney.

 

[GuyPinestra]

Face it Lefties, y'all are dead meat come November.

35 million Catholics voted in 2008, and Obama got 19 million of them.

I just don't see y'all doing HALF that well this go-round...

 

[bodecea]

I see the hick can't refute the FACTS.

Obamination is not a Christian, he is a fake. He will be alongside you in hell someday.

Obamination was raised a muslim - FACT

Obamination is not a Chrisitan, he just claims it for political needs - FACT

You are an idiot - FACT

As the extremist chimes in

Please continue. You are fascinating me.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

Rise of the Religious Right in the Republican Party

 

[Luddly Neddite]

The number one concern for America according to every poll is jobs and the economy. Obama took us from losing 750,000 jobs per month to 23 solid months of job growth and adding 240,000 jobs in January. Romney spent years buying companies and firing the workers. Romney had the 47th WORST job creation of any Governor when he was Governor of MA. THAT is why Obama will win a second term, which is very well deserved.