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GunnyL said:Exactly. The price was paid ...time to move on. The price of slavery in the US was the utter devastation of the South, a way of life, and a generation of young men from both North and South. Account paid in full. Time to fast forward 140 years.
hylandrdet said:One question. If it is so behind us, why object to an official apology, knowing that it could lead to a potential ending of social hostilities between blacks and whites?
Germany apologized, it's time to move out.
My mom used to tell me, "Son, no conflict in the world will ever end so long as neither side refuse to say I'm sorry. That theory applies to things as large as a war, to something as small as aguring over spilled milk."
Jimmyeatworld said:The problem I have for apologizing for slavery is the fact that I never owned a slave, and I don't know anyone that has owned a slave. Who is suppose to apologize for something that happened 150 years ago?
You can assume that it could potentially lead to ending social hostilities, but I think that is quite an assumption. Not long ago, an insurance company that gave policies to slave owners in the 1800s offered an official apology. Was it taken as a symbolic gesture of smoothing things out between the blacks and whites? No. The day after their apology, the lawsuits started.
If something is behind us, what is the point in apologizing anyway? Isn't "behind us" suppose to mean we're over it? It's in the past, leave it there.
GunnyL said:We need the manpower elsewhere. Manning an obsolete defensive perimeter while other troops are pushed to teh limit with short deployment turnaround is not what I'd call efficient.
Manning that perimeter and supporting local economies in a Nation that has been openly critical of the US and voted against us in the UN just simply doesn't make sense to me.
The only threat of invasion Germany currently faces is that of the mediocrity brought on by socialism.
hylandrdet said:they just don't understand why they can't get at least a "thank you" note!
What a memorial (as an apology)would do is perpetuate the fraud that slavery was something peculiar to the United States, when in fact it was one of the oldest and most widespread of all human institutions, existing for thousands of years on every inhabited continent, involving people of every race and color as both slaves and slaveowners. Even in the United States, there were thousands of black slaveowners, and in Africa many more.The United States was one of many Western nations which turned against slavery in the 19th century -- while non-Western nations bitterly resisted efforts by the West to get them to abolish slavery. Only the fact that Western imperialists had more firepower enabled their revulsion against slavery to prevail.
Maybe we should have a monument to historical truth somewhere, though Washington hardly seems the place for it.
hylandrdet said:That's the point of my argument here. It's not really behind us. If it were, we wouldn't be arguing about it now.
Why do we still have troops in Germany? Maybe it's because the halocaust isn't behind us!
Once again it goes back to money; I agree with you about the lawsuits; last I recall, we'll need 14 trillion dollars to comphensate the black community. I believe that the US refusal to apologize revolves around money and not their own conscience.
The black community remains the only minority group to received an official apology for governmental atrocities. The native americans got theirs, plus comphensation; the Japanese-americans got theirs, plus comphensation. The black community understands that there will be no comphensation, they just don't understand why they can't get at least a "thank you" note!
Jimmyeatworld said:The problem I have for apologizing for slavery is the fact that I never owned a slave, and I don't know anyone that has owned a slave. Who is suppose to apologize for something that happened 150 years ago?
You can assume that it could potentially lead to ending social hostilities, but I think that is quite an assumption. Not long ago, an insurance company that gave policies to slave owners in the 1800s offered an official apology. Was it taken as a symbolic gesture of smoothing things out between the blacks and whites? No. The day after their apology, the lawsuits started.
If something is behind us, what is the point in apologizing anyway? Isn't "behind us" suppose to mean we're over it? It's in the past, leave it there.
GunnyL said:I LOVE this. Germany was within its rights to do WHAT? The US decided to realign our troops ... we were not asked to leave.
