U.S. Can Make A Difference At G-8 On World Hunger

[Taco]

"Socialism will only work with a society of prisoners, slaves, and robots who can be controlled by the ruling elite (which will always exist in that type of system)."

No. Consider it more, like a posse. If you hoard resources, expect a visit.

It's not ok.

 

[Taomon]

Ahhh... never a leftist stance without the socialist power of allowance and 'taking'...

And maybe you should actually look at the amount per gallon the oil companies actually make.. and step back and see how much various levels of government make... record profits when consumption worldwide is at record levels.. imagine that ...

It is your far left views that are wrong and need to be looked at again... grow up

Grow up? Why so you can feel better about AMERICAN CORPORATIONS EXPLOITING RESOURCES OF WEAKER NATIONS? Why do my views have to change? Have you considered that your views are wrong? Have you considered that these views of yours (pounded into your head since youth) are the reason we were attacked on 9/11 and will continue to be attacked until we change our fioreign policies and military actions?

 

[Gungnir]

Whoa.

Natural carrying capacity? Is it "natural" for us to gobble up a massively disproportionate percentage of world fuel supplies? What's "natural" about people dying from political conflicts?

Yes, you have the choice to be evil and selfish, and it seems to suit some of you fine.

But if you have no respect for human life, expect me to have no respect for your wallet as a push for your money to be used to help the suffering. I mean, nothing else in life really is nearly as important, but some of you will never get it.

The carrying capacity is the Human population able to be supported by the efforts and labors of the native population in a certain region. If outside contact is removed and there is little change in the human population over a generation the land is at its carrying capacity. For instance, through the use of petroleum, certain industries have allowed us much more profitable commerce and so we are able to support a larger population. If petroleum (and all alternatives) were to suddenly become unavailable then the carrying capacity would shrink.

Now, Mr. Taco, it is time for you to get off your high horse. Allowing the population of a land to return to the carrying capacity decreases the risk of famine, pandemic, and strife while preserving the natural resources to the best extent. It encourages an industrious, self-reliant society that, through time, will increase their numbers and support base.

But if you would much rather spread "assistance" around just so historical losers can continue to linger on another mating season, in filth and disease, so that they can bring another generation into their wretched, swollen belly, existence to be abused by some local tribal potentate -- by all means spend your own wealth and labors.

Disproportionate? Because the greatest numbers of Humans live in poverty and stupidity brought about by laziness, vile superstition, and contemptible philosophy; I must reduce my lifestyle to match accordingly their own? When they squat out litters of children that they do not have the means to provide for; I must decrease my wages? You are a lunatic!

It is natural for Humans to seek to increase their numbers through the increased use of technology and industry. To expect a Human nation not to seek all means to advance its position is to be absurd. There is a reason why we have Nation-States -- because they work.

Have you considered that these views of yours (pounded into your head since youth) are the reason we were attacked on 9/11 and will continue to be attacked until we change our fioreign policies and military actions?

No, the United States was attacked on 9/11 because we allowed those foreign heathens into this country and let them use our technology. More to it, they were funded by Saudi Princes made rich off of oil wells we located and accessed with our technology.

Should you be mad if you give a monkey a rock and he throws it at you?

So now, if you want to talk about not being attacked; why are there no more Indian Wars?

 

[Charles_Main]

What gets me the most about all this, is I know if we were ever in a real bad way, we would not find the world lining up to help us, like we always help it.

 

[Charles_Main]

Grow up? Why so you can feel better about AMERICAN CORPORATIONS EXPLOITING RESOURCES OF WEAKER NATIONS? Why do my views have to change? Have you considered that your views are wrong? Have you considered that these views of yours (pounded into your head since youth) are the reason we were attacked on 9/11 and will continue to be attacked until we change our fioreign policies and military actions?

Yeah sure, the it was all our fault argument. It had nothing to do at all with a group of people who want the entire world to live by their 1200 year old ways.

Frankly people who blame it all on the US make me sick.

 

[jillian]

Yeah sure, the it was all our fault argument. It had nothing to do at all with a group of people who want the entire world to live by their 1200 year old ways.

Frankly people who blame it all on the US make me sick.

There are always going to be extremists who say that.... same as there are extremists on the other end of the spectrum.

As for your comment that we wouldn't be helped now the way we've helped others... I agree... but not for the same reason. After 9/11 we had the good will of most of the world (not all, it would be unreasonable to expect that) but most. That good will was squandered by an administration that didn't care about our relationships with the rest of the world. Kind of a silly way to go about things.

And how can a country with a gulag and who thinks it should be able to listen to its citizens' calls turn around and have the moral authority to tell China to fix it's human rights policies.

 

[Gungnir]

Gulag -- shut up.

 

[Epsilon Delta]

Probably the best thing that the US and the developed world can do is to stop super-subsidizing their own argicultural industries. Isn't that what free market is all about?

The heavily subsidized agricultural industries in the industrial world are pretty much just making it worst- it runs producers every where else out of business because their government can't match the resources of industrialized countries' governments to their farmers. It'd make it profitable for all that gigantic portion of the world's poor population who are farmers be able to make a profit again, bring up food production, bring up their income levels, etc. It's called comparative advantage.

 

[Wow]

There are always going to be extremists who say that.... same as there are extremists on the other end of the spectrum.

As for your comment that we wouldn't be helped now the way we've helped others... I agree... but not for the same reason. After 9/11 we had the good will of most of the world (not all, it would be unreasonable to expect that) but most. That good will was squandered by an administration that didn't care about our relationships with the rest of the world. Kind of a silly way to go about things.

And how can a country with a gulag and who thinks it should be able to listen to its citizens' calls turn around and have the moral authority to tell China to fix it's human rights policies.

This administration had support from 63 countries in Iraq, the problem is with NATO in Afghanistan. Only 4 NATO countries are following the rules of the treaty. NATO is a disaster in Afghanistan, thankfully, NATO was not in command in Iraq.
The EU has gulags in several countries and they are being used like Gitmo, but no one ever mentions those gulags? Hmmmmmm
The US should be the only country without a gulag?

 

[Epsilon Delta]

No country should have a gulag- That's obvious.

 

[Wow]

No country should have a gulag- That's obvious.

I certainly hope you do not have a prison near your neighborhood full of terrorists that want to murder Americans.

I also hope you do not have to serve on a jury trying a terrorist.
I do not want you nor your family's lives to be in danger of a terror attack.

 

[Epsilon Delta]

I certainly hope you do not have a prison near your neighborhood full of terrorists that want to murder Americans.

I also hope you do not have to serve on a jury trying a terrorist.
I do not want you nor your family's lives to be in danger of a terror attack.

Jesus Christ, is that what is on Americans' minds all of the time? Sorry mate, me and my family are quite safe from any terrorists. The only terrorists near here were the Contras up north, and those were your boys last I checked. Thankfully, they're all gone too. But thanks for the heads up, Mr. Soviet Commisar.

 

[Wow]

Jesus Christ, is that what is on Americans' minds all of the time? Sorry mate, me and my family are quite safe from any terrorists. The only terrorists near here were the Contras up north, and those were your boys last I checked. Thankfully, they're all gone too. But thanks for the heads up, Mr. Soviet Commisar.

Oh, you do not live in America but you think your opinion matters. Hahahaha

You have no clue of what I'm talking about, yet you attack Americans?

Where do you get all of this hatred for something that you are ignorant of?

 

[Epsilon Delta]

HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Dude, you are one to talk about shit that you know absolutely nothing about. I lived in the US for 6 years, I know plenty about 'America'. If your idea of 'attacking Americans' is me saying that no country should have a gulag then maybe you should go back and read your own constitution, man. You might learn something.

Just for kicks: there's about 35 million foreign-born people in the United States, and they account for about 40% of the country's population growth. Not to mention that non-Americans form some 96% of the opinions on the planet. For a superpower of global reach it should seem at least rational for their opinions to matter, you know, just a tiny tiny bit. A tiny tiny bit. 2 cents, maybe.

Either way, calm yourself down, it just startled me that your response to "No country should have gulags" is "WELL I CERTAINLY HOPE THE TERRORISTS DON'T KILL YOU AND YOUR FAMILY IN YOUR SLEEP AND MURDER EVERYONE YOU KNOW".

For the record I don't hate any Americans. I know a lot of Americans. A lot of Americans are my friends. I don't simply hate everyone in a country because I don't like their governments' actions every now and again. In that case I'd hate near every single fucking place on earth.

Edit: And just in case I didn't make it clear enough, you see that picture in your avatar? I had been living in the US for 2 years, and had moved to New York on September 4th, 2001. I was some 40 blocks away from those Towers. I could see them from my house, I saw them fall down, and I was scared shitless like everyone else in that city was that day and the days after. At 13 it was, you know, kinda traumatic, but you don't see me supporting gulags, because that's exactly what gulags incubate- terrorism.

 

[AllieBaba]

er...doesn't it flood along the delta EVERY SINGLE YEAR? Just in different areas...but it's a delta. It floods. Nobody is going to be starved out of existence over this.

And farmers already have crop insurance, folks. A year where drought or flood or foot rot or locusts or hail takes out their crops is like a vacation for them. They still get paid, they get their crops in for the next harvest, everything is hunky-dory.

 

[Wow]

HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Dude, you are one to talk about shit that you know absolutely nothing about. I lived in the US for 6 years, I know plenty about 'America'. If your idea of 'attacking Americans' is me saying that no country should have a gulag then maybe you should go back and read your own constitution, man. You might learn something.

Just for kicks: there's about 35 million foreign-born people in the United States, and they account for about 40% of the country's population growth. Not to mention that non-Americans form some 96% of the opinions on the planet. For a superpower of global reach it should seem at least rational for their opinions to matter, you know, just a tiny tiny bit. A tiny tiny bit. 2 cents, maybe.

Either way, calm yourself down, it just startled me that your response to "No country should have gulags" is "WELL I CERTAINLY HOPE THE TERRORISTS DON'T KILL YOU AND YOUR FAMILY IN YOUR SLEEP AND MURDER EVERYONE YOU KNOW".

For the record I don't hate any Americans. I know a lot of Americans. A lot of Americans are my friends. I don't simply hate everyone in a country because I don't like their governments' actions every now and again. In that case I'd hate near every single fucking place on earth.

Edit: And just in case I didn't make it clear enough, you see that picture in your avatar? I had been living in the US for 2 years, and had moved to New York on September 4th, 2001. I was some 40 blocks away from those Towers. I could see them from my house, I saw them fall down, and I was scared shitless like everyone else in that city was that day and the days after. At 13 it was, you know, kinda traumatic, but you don't see me supporting gulags, because that's exactly what gulags incubate- terrorism.

Why not support offshore jails and courts of law?