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Turkey uses chemical weapons on Kurds
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nopeNow you're just making shit up.support was only to the level that kept it a stalemateThe U.S., under Reagan, supported Saddam with intel and support during the Iran-Iraq War. That's a fact. We were happy to forgive his sins when he was helping our interests.
but you will continue to believe the lies
Dive, research it all yourself. Do not count on right wing pundits and publications to tell you the whole truth.
Neither liberals or cons will do that. Although libs come closer than cons on telling the whole truth.
your responses were classical denial for no logical reason.
Neither liberals or cons will do that. Although libs come closer than cons on telling the whole truth.
your responses were classical denial for no logical reason.
i have researched it myselfDive, research it all yourself. Do not count on right wing pundits and publications to tell you the whole truth.
Neither liberals or cons will do that. Although libs come closer than cons on telling the whole truth.
your responses were classical denial for no logical reason.
and the stuff you linked was total bullshit
i have researched it myselfDive, research it all yourself. Do not count on right wing pundits and publications to tell you the whole truth.
Neither liberals or cons will do that. Although libs come closer than cons on telling the whole truth.
your responses were classical denial for no logical reason.
and the stuff you linked was total bullshit
You might want to try some other sources.
It will not be on sites that do not like the full truth.
LOLi have researched it myselfDive, research it all yourself. Do not count on right wing pundits and publications to tell you the whole truth.
Neither liberals or cons will do that. Although libs come closer than cons on telling the whole truth.
your responses were classical denial for no logical reason.
and the stuff you linked was total bullshit
You might want to try some other sources.
It will not be on sites that do not like the full truth.
you mean you didn't use biased sources
PLEASE
Reagans WMD Connection to Saddam Hussein
by Jacob G. Hornberger, June 18, 2004
Given all the indignant neoconservative outrage over the financial misdeeds arising from the UNs socialist oil-for-food program during the 1990s, when the UN embargo was killing untold numbers of Iraqi children, one would think that there would be an equal amount of outrage over a much more disgraceful scandal the U.S. delivery of weapons of mass destruction to Saddam Hussein during the Reagan administration in the 1980s.
After all, as everyone knows, it was those WMDs that U.S. officials, from President Bush and Vice-President Cheney on down, ultimately used to terrify the American people into supporting the invasion and war of aggression against Iraq, a war that has killed or maimed thousands of innocent people that is, people who had absolutely nothing to do with the 9/11 attacks in New York and Washington.
In an October 1, 2002, article entitled Iraq Got Germs for Weapons Program from U.S. in 80s, Associated Press writer Matt Kelly wrote,
[The] Iraqi bioweapons program that President Bush wants to eradicate got its start with help from Uncle Sam two decades ago, according to government records that are getting new scrutiny in light of the discussion of war against Iraq.
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention sent samples directly to several Iraqi sites that U.N. weapons inspectors determined were part of Saddam Husseins biological weapons program, CDC and congressional records from the early 1990s show. Iraq had ordered the samples, saying it needed them for legitimate medical research.
The CDC and a biological-sample company, the American Type Culture Collection, sent strains of all the germs Iraq used to make weapons, including anthrax, the bacteria that make botulinum toxin, and the germs that cause gas gangrene, the records show. Iraq also got samples of other deadly pathogens, including West Nile virus.
The transfers came in the 1980s, when the United States backed Iraq in its war against Iran.
In a December 17, 2002, article entitled Iraq Used Many Suppliers for Nuke Program, the Associated Press stated,
Dozens of suppliers, most in Europe, the United States and Japan, provided the components and know-how Saddam Hussein needed to build an atomic bomb, according to Iraqs 1996 accounting of its nuclear program....
Iraqs report says the equipment was either sold or made by more than 30 German companies, 10 American companies, 11 British companies and a handful of Swiss, Japanese, Italian, French, Swedish and Brazilian firms. It says more than 30 countries supplied its nuclear program.
It details nuclear efforts from the early 1980s to the Gulf War and contains diagrams, plans and test results in uranium enrichment, detonation, implosion testing and warhead construction....
Most of the sales were legal and often made with the knowledge of governments. In 198590, the U.S. Commerce Department, for example, licensed $1.5 billion in sales to Iraq of American technology with potential military uses. Iraq was then getting Western support for its war against Iran, which at the time was regarded as the main threat to stability in the oil-rich Gulf region.
In a September 26, 2002, article entitled Following Iraq's Bioweapons Trail, columnist Robert Novak wrote,
An eight-year-old Senate report confirms that disease-producing and poisonous materials were exported, under U.S. government license, to Iraq from 1985 to 1988 during the Iran-Iraq war. Furthermore, the report adds, the American-exported materials were identical to microorganisms destroyed by United Nations inspectors after the Gulf War. The shipments were approved despite allegations that Saddam used biological weapons against Kurdish rebels and (according to the current official U.S. position) initiated war with Iran.
In a September 18, 2002, ABC article entitled A Tortured Relationship, reporter Chris Bury wrote,
Indeed, even as President Bush castigates Saddams regime as a grave and gathering danger, its important to remember that the United States helped arm Iraq with the very weapons that administration officials are now citing as justification for Saddams forcible removal from power.
In a March 16, 2003, article entitled How Iraq Built Its Weapons Program, in the St. Petersburg Times, staff writer Tom Drury wrote,
Yet here we are, on the eve of what could turn into a $100-billion war to disarm and dismantle the Iraqi dictatorship. U.N. inspectors are working against the clock to figure out if Iraq retains chemical and biological weapons, the systems to deliver them, and the capacity to manufacture them.
And heres the strange part, easily forgotten in the barrage of recent rhetoric: It was Western governments and businesses that helped build that capacity in the first place. From anthrax to high-speed computers to artillery ammunition cases, the militarily useful products of a long list of Western democracies flowed into Iraq in the decade before its 1990 invasion of Kuwait.
Unfortunately, the U.S.-WMD connection to Saddam Hussein involved more than just delivering those WMDs to him. In an August 18, 2002, New York Times article entitled Officers Say U.S. Aided Iraq in War Despite Use of Gas, Patrick E. Tyler wrote,
A covert American program during the Reagan administration provided Iraq with critical battle planning assistance at a time when American intelligence agencies knew that Iraqi commanders would employ chemical weapons in waging the decisive battles of the Iran-Iraq war, according to senior military officers with direct knowledge of the program.
Those officers, most of whom agreed to speak on the condition that they not be identified, spoke in response to a reporters questions about the nature of gas warfare on both sides of the conflict between Iran and Iraq from 1981 to 1988. Iraqs use of gas in that conflict is repeatedly cited by President Bush and, this week, by his national security adviser, Condoleezza Rice, as justification for regime change in Iraq.
As writer Norm Dixon put it in his June 17, 2004, article How Reagan Armed Saddam with Chemical Weapons,
While the August 18 NYT article added new details about the extent of US military collaboration with Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein during Iraq's 1980-88 war with Iran, it omitted the most outrageous aspect of the scandal: not only did Ronald Reagan's Washington turn a blind-eye to the Hussein regime's repeated use of chemical weapons against Iranian soldiers and Iraq's Kurdish minority, but the US helped Iraq develop its chemical, biological and nuclear weapons programs.
Immediately prior to the US invasion of Iraq, Saddam Hussein delivered a WMD declarations report to the United Nations in an attempt to avert a U.S. invasion. Do you recall that U.S. officials intercepted the report and removed special sections of it, based on claims of national security? Well, it turned out that the removed sections involved the delivery of those WMDs by the United States and other Western countries to Saddam Hussein, information that obviously caused U.S. officials a bit of discomfort on the eve of their invasion.
More at link:
Reagan's WMD Connection to Saddam Hussein
A libertaian site it says, just the first hit I got using "reagan Sadam"
by Jacob G. Hornberger, June 18, 2004
Given all the indignant neoconservative outrage over the financial misdeeds arising from the UNs socialist oil-for-food program during the 1990s, when the UN embargo was killing untold numbers of Iraqi children, one would think that there would be an equal amount of outrage over a much more disgraceful scandal the U.S. delivery of weapons of mass destruction to Saddam Hussein during the Reagan administration in the 1980s.
After all, as everyone knows, it was those WMDs that U.S. officials, from President Bush and Vice-President Cheney on down, ultimately used to terrify the American people into supporting the invasion and war of aggression against Iraq, a war that has killed or maimed thousands of innocent people that is, people who had absolutely nothing to do with the 9/11 attacks in New York and Washington.
In an October 1, 2002, article entitled Iraq Got Germs for Weapons Program from U.S. in 80s, Associated Press writer Matt Kelly wrote,
[The] Iraqi bioweapons program that President Bush wants to eradicate got its start with help from Uncle Sam two decades ago, according to government records that are getting new scrutiny in light of the discussion of war against Iraq.
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention sent samples directly to several Iraqi sites that U.N. weapons inspectors determined were part of Saddam Husseins biological weapons program, CDC and congressional records from the early 1990s show. Iraq had ordered the samples, saying it needed them for legitimate medical research.
The CDC and a biological-sample company, the American Type Culture Collection, sent strains of all the germs Iraq used to make weapons, including anthrax, the bacteria that make botulinum toxin, and the germs that cause gas gangrene, the records show. Iraq also got samples of other deadly pathogens, including West Nile virus.
The transfers came in the 1980s, when the United States backed Iraq in its war against Iran.
In a December 17, 2002, article entitled Iraq Used Many Suppliers for Nuke Program, the Associated Press stated,
Dozens of suppliers, most in Europe, the United States and Japan, provided the components and know-how Saddam Hussein needed to build an atomic bomb, according to Iraqs 1996 accounting of its nuclear program....
Iraqs report says the equipment was either sold or made by more than 30 German companies, 10 American companies, 11 British companies and a handful of Swiss, Japanese, Italian, French, Swedish and Brazilian firms. It says more than 30 countries supplied its nuclear program.
It details nuclear efforts from the early 1980s to the Gulf War and contains diagrams, plans and test results in uranium enrichment, detonation, implosion testing and warhead construction....
Most of the sales were legal and often made with the knowledge of governments. In 198590, the U.S. Commerce Department, for example, licensed $1.5 billion in sales to Iraq of American technology with potential military uses. Iraq was then getting Western support for its war against Iran, which at the time was regarded as the main threat to stability in the oil-rich Gulf region.
In a September 26, 2002, article entitled Following Iraq's Bioweapons Trail, columnist Robert Novak wrote,
An eight-year-old Senate report confirms that disease-producing and poisonous materials were exported, under U.S. government license, to Iraq from 1985 to 1988 during the Iran-Iraq war. Furthermore, the report adds, the American-exported materials were identical to microorganisms destroyed by United Nations inspectors after the Gulf War. The shipments were approved despite allegations that Saddam used biological weapons against Kurdish rebels and (according to the current official U.S. position) initiated war with Iran.
In a September 18, 2002, ABC article entitled A Tortured Relationship, reporter Chris Bury wrote,
Indeed, even as President Bush castigates Saddams regime as a grave and gathering danger, its important to remember that the United States helped arm Iraq with the very weapons that administration officials are now citing as justification for Saddams forcible removal from power.
In a March 16, 2003, article entitled How Iraq Built Its Weapons Program, in the St. Petersburg Times, staff writer Tom Drury wrote,
Yet here we are, on the eve of what could turn into a $100-billion war to disarm and dismantle the Iraqi dictatorship. U.N. inspectors are working against the clock to figure out if Iraq retains chemical and biological weapons, the systems to deliver them, and the capacity to manufacture them.
And heres the strange part, easily forgotten in the barrage of recent rhetoric: It was Western governments and businesses that helped build that capacity in the first place. From anthrax to high-speed computers to artillery ammunition cases, the militarily useful products of a long list of Western democracies flowed into Iraq in the decade before its 1990 invasion of Kuwait.
Unfortunately, the U.S.-WMD connection to Saddam Hussein involved more than just delivering those WMDs to him. In an August 18, 2002, New York Times article entitled Officers Say U.S. Aided Iraq in War Despite Use of Gas, Patrick E. Tyler wrote,
A covert American program during the Reagan administration provided Iraq with critical battle planning assistance at a time when American intelligence agencies knew that Iraqi commanders would employ chemical weapons in waging the decisive battles of the Iran-Iraq war, according to senior military officers with direct knowledge of the program.
Those officers, most of whom agreed to speak on the condition that they not be identified, spoke in response to a reporters questions about the nature of gas warfare on both sides of the conflict between Iran and Iraq from 1981 to 1988. Iraqs use of gas in that conflict is repeatedly cited by President Bush and, this week, by his national security adviser, Condoleezza Rice, as justification for regime change in Iraq.
As writer Norm Dixon put it in his June 17, 2004, article How Reagan Armed Saddam with Chemical Weapons,
While the August 18 NYT article added new details about the extent of US military collaboration with Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein during Iraq's 1980-88 war with Iran, it omitted the most outrageous aspect of the scandal: not only did Ronald Reagan's Washington turn a blind-eye to the Hussein regime's repeated use of chemical weapons against Iranian soldiers and Iraq's Kurdish minority, but the US helped Iraq develop its chemical, biological and nuclear weapons programs.
Immediately prior to the US invasion of Iraq, Saddam Hussein delivered a WMD declarations report to the United Nations in an attempt to avert a U.S. invasion. Do you recall that U.S. officials intercepted the report and removed special sections of it, based on claims of national security? Well, it turned out that the removed sections involved the delivery of those WMDs by the United States and other Western countries to Saddam Hussein, information that obviously caused U.S. officials a bit of discomfort on the eve of their invasion.
More at link:
Reagan's WMD Connection to Saddam Hussein
A libertaian site it says, just the first hit I got using "reagan Sadam"
He did, in the Reagan/Bush years. Who the hell do you think gave him the chemical weapons he used on the Kurds during Bush The Wiser's term?yeah, NOW Saddam had WMD
LOL
I want to re-address this post.support was only to the level that kept it a stalemateThe U.S., under Reagan, supported Saddam with intel and support during the Iran-Iraq War. That's a fact. We were happy to forgive his sins when he was helping our interests.
Is being a brutal dictator acceptable when he's fighting our enemy to a 'stalemate' as you call it?
What happened to Rightwingers standing up for their principles, morals, and American Way when it came to helping Saddam?
actually, they got them from several sources, and not the USHe did, in the Reagan/Bush years. Who the hell do you think gave him the chemical weapons he used on the Kurds during Bush The Wiser's term?yeah, NOW Saddam had WMD
LOL
but i'm sick of having to show morons the proof
i didnt say i liked itI want to re-address this post.support was only to the level that kept it a stalemateThe U.S., under Reagan, supported Saddam with intel and support during the Iran-Iraq War. That's a fact. We were happy to forgive his sins when he was helping our interests.
Is being a brutal dictator acceptable when he's fighting our enemy to a 'stalemate' as you call it?
What happened to Rightwingers standing up for their principles, morals, and American Way when it came to helping Saddam?
but that was the facts jack
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i have, assholeDive con is afraid to really read the article.
fuck off
Dive con is afraid to really read the article.
fuck off
Yeah that is what chatting with you is like.
Live a good clueless life.
nice editDive con is afraid to really read the article.
fuck off
Yeah that is what chatting with you is like.
Live a good clueless life.
asshole
and btw, its YOU that is clueless
rhodescholar
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The PKK are brutal terrorists. Reagan called the terrorist Contras 'freedom fighters', too. Must be a wingnut delusion.
If the turks, syrians and iranians did not spend so much time and effort oppressing the kurds, and gave them their land back - they would not resort to violence.
The left calls hamas and hezboolah freedom fighters. Must be a leftwing mental illness.
rhodescholar
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We put Sadam in power in Iraq.
Are facts or history important? You're totally fucking wrong, the US had nothing to do with his power grab...go read a history book or a newspaper...is there such a thing as a well-informed liberal?
The PKK are brutal terrorists. Reagan called the terrorist Contras 'freedom fighters', too. Must be a wingnut delusion.
If the turks, syrians and iranians did not spend so much time and effort oppressing the kurds, and gave them their land back - they would not resort to violence.
The left calls hamas and hezboolah freedom fighters. Must be a leftwing mental illness.
Give them their land back??? Are you 13 years old? What country gives land back? And who ever declared it Kurdish land? I'm all for a Kurdistan, but carve it out of the defeated Iraq, not sovereign nations like Turkey, Iran and Syria.
That's like saying that since there are so many Mexicans still in Texas, we should just give the Mexicans back their land. Retarded.
And no, dope - I call Hamas and Hezbollah terrorists at their core, disguised as public officials.
rhodescholar
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Give them their land back??? Are you 13 years old? What country gives land back? And who ever declared it Kurdish land? I'm all for a Kurdistan, but carve it out of the defeated Iraq, not sovereign nations like Turkey, Iran and Syria.
You must have missed it, but there is a large chunk of SE Turkey that is kurd-majority, and has been for a very long time. Of course, imperialistic turks like you would rather continue to oppress the kurd minority, but I'd rather give them sovereignty...
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