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I was just answering, "what harm will it do?" I realize not everyone thinks it is a waste. You don't need to keep making the same argument over and over. I realize what your position is.And is that worth the harm of the government shutdown? What does the least harm? Also, the other side disagrees that the 5B would be wasted.what harm will it do?Why not a border barrier (wall, fence,whatever)?
Many say because it will be ineffective. Many think it's a necessity and will be effective. My question to those against the border barrier is what harm will it do? Is it really worth keeping the government "shut down" to say no to the border barrier.
Lets be real, both sides have the power to end the government shutdown. Trump can cave in, but then there will certainly not be funding for more border barrier. NP and the house can end the shutdown for 2-3 billion for new border barrier, a lot of money, but hardly a blip on total national spending.
The truth is that the fight is not really about the border barrier, it's about the presidential election in 2020. If Trump fights and gets his "wall", his chance of winning reelection increases greatly. If he had caved in December, like he almost did, he could had kissed his chances of reelection goodbye because he would have lost his base. And of course the real reason NP and the dems don't want to appropriate money for the border barrier is that it would be a win for Trump, possibly giving him a second term. They want a dem sitting in the oval.
If someone could wave a magic wand and remove the politics of the next presidential election, a compromise would be quite easy to reach and the shutdown would be over.
$5B wasted.
This is 1B. Multiply by 5.
this is actally the one thing that I am very upset aboutCoast Guard pulls drowning people from the water.
would you link up something on this?Like in California, where I heard on the radio this morning, the state wants to "loan" TSA employees some of their unemployment funds to get them by 'til they get their retroactive pay. Trump has forbidden it. The state says they're going to do it anyway.
Can you prove every immigrant votes for the Dems?It would have been much more politically convenient for the democrats had he not saved this fight for them to show how they love to sell us out to foreign interests for new voters.I do not expect he will offer anything of substance in his so-called deal. He's really shown colossal stupidity picking this fight that should have began and ended with his inability to get anything from a republican congress.
I am kind of glad he did. The house GOP got kicked in the balls for doing nothing and now the house Dems are getting kicked the balls.
They are all hate us. They loath us. They are angry that they have to kiss our asses to get elected but after that, not one of these Washingto assholes give a single rat fuck about Americans.
Fuck them all!!!
I hope Trump keeps going in dry on their raw anuses. I hope they suffer many many more rotten cases of scorching hemorrhoids.
Keep up the ass rape, Trump.
Penny wise and pound foolish!I was just answering, "what harm will it do?" I realize not everyone thinks it is a waste. You don't need to keep making the same argument over and over. I realize what your position is.And is that worth the harm of the government shutdown? What does the least harm? Also, the other side disagrees that the 5B would be wasted.what harm will it do?Why not a border barrier (wall, fence,whatever)?
Many say because it will be ineffective. Many think it's a necessity and will be effective. My question to those against the border barrier is what harm will it do? Is it really worth keeping the government "shut down" to say no to the border barrier.
Lets be real, both sides have the power to end the government shutdown. Trump can cave in, but then there will certainly not be funding for more border barrier. NP and the house can end the shutdown for 2-3 billion for new border barrier, a lot of money, but hardly a blip on total national spending.
The truth is that the fight is not really about the border barrier, it's about the presidential election in 2020. If Trump fights and gets his "wall", his chance of winning reelection increases greatly. If he had caved in December, like he almost did, he could had kissed his chances of reelection goodbye because he would have lost his base. And of course the real reason NP and the dems don't want to appropriate money for the border barrier is that it would be a win for Trump, possibly giving him a second term. They want a dem sitting in the oval.
If someone could wave a magic wand and remove the politics of the next presidential election, a compromise would be quite easy to reach and the shutdown would be over.
$5B wasted.
This is 1B. Multiply by 5.
So why would he give up on his #1 issue?His presidency and his legacy as POTUS is all he cares about. He does not care about the wall or illegal immigrants, this is about securing his place in history.
Gov. Gavin Newsom offers unemployment benefits to TSA workers, defying Trump administrationthis is actally the one thing that I am very upset aboutCoast Guard pulls drowning people from the water.
and Coasties do a lot more than that
would you link up something on this?Like in California, where I heard on the radio this morning, the state wants to "loan" TSA employees some of their unemployment funds to get them by 'til they get their retroactive pay. Trump has forbidden it. The state says they're going to do it anyway.
Well, a Tweet oughta do it. Right?actually yes he didTrump wasn't the one who offered citizenship to millions, was it?Wonder if he will offer citizenship to millions again?with this president, I doubt itno doubt one way or another trump will give the dems exactly what they want
he has to give them something, but no way they get "everything they want"
In that case incentive is everything.
TRUMP TWEETS that he wants DACA amnesty and Dems DON’T!!!
I was thinking more along the lines of a valid offer made to reps of Congress, like happened a year ago and Trump rejected, two days after saying on national television that he would sign whatever Congress agreed to.
The Pres let us down. He would have gotten his 5B. He could have battled on for his other immigration reforms the next time. The Wall would be under construction by now.
But Trump said NO.
Can you prove they don't. If I am wrong, why are dems fighting so hard?Can you prove every immigrant votes for the Dems?
I know the Coasties do a lot of other stuff--I live on the coast and they are a big part of our community. I was just keeping my post short. Around here, they are having potluck suppers for them, restaurants are giving them discounts--they are the last people who should be punished by this.this is actally the one thing that I am very upset aboutCoast Guard pulls drowning people from the water.
and Coasties do a lot more than that
would you link up something on this?Like in California, where I heard on the radio this morning, the state wants to "loan" TSA employees some of their unemployment funds to get them by 'til they get their retroactive pay. Trump has forbidden it. The state says they're going to do it anyway.
_________I do not expect he will offer anything of substance in his so-called deal. He's really shown colossal stupidity picking this fight that should have began and ended with his inability to get anything from a republican congress.
Why are them dems fighting so hard? You tell me you are the one who knows everything and can't prove what he says.Can you prove they don't. If I am wrong, why are dems fighting so hard?Can you prove every immigrant votes for the Dems?
Compassion?
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What little commie rodent shits do you think are suffering?If he does nothing else but make these little commie rodent shits suffer until 2020, I will be satisfied.Trump needs the support of voters to swing his way and against the democrats. Otherwise, NP will always be a NO for the wall.
I would consider RBG's replacement a bonus.
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TSA employees with no paychecks. Coast Guardsmen with no paychecks. Mean salary for a TSA employee: $40,000. Seaman: $29,000; Petty Officer $43,000.
TSA is there to keep bombs off our planes. Coast Guard pulls drowning people from the water. They make enough to put shoes on the kids' feet, but nothing fancy. In some places, you couldn't even live on it.
Like in California, where I heard on the radio this morning, the state wants to "loan" TSA employees some of their unemployment funds to get them by 'til they get their retroactive pay. Trump has forbidden it. The state says they're going to do it anyway.
interestingGov. Gavin Newsom offers unemployment benefits to TSA workers, defying Trump administrationthis is actally the one thing that I am very upset aboutCoast Guard pulls drowning people from the water.
and Coasties do a lot more than that
would you link up something on this?Like in California, where I heard on the radio this morning, the state wants to "loan" TSA employees some of their unemployment funds to get them by 'til they get their retroactive pay. Trump has forbidden it. The state says they're going to do it anyway.
What little commie rodent shits do you think are suffering?If he does nothing else but make these little commie rodent shits suffer until 2020, I will be satisfied.Trump needs the support of voters to swing his way and against the democrats. Otherwise, NP will always be a NO for the wall.
I would consider RBG's replacement a bonus.
.
TSA employees with no paychecks. Coast Guardsmen with no paychecks. Mean salary for a TSA employee: $40,000. Seaman: $29,000; Petty Officer $43,000.
TSA is there to keep bombs off our planes. Coast Guard pulls drowning people from the water. They make enough to put shoes on the kids' feet, but nothing fancy. In some places, you couldn't even live on it.
Like in California, where I heard on the radio this morning, the state wants to "loan" TSA employees some of their unemployment funds to get them by 'til they get their retroactive pay. Trump has forbidden it. The state says they're going to do it anyway.
i think you are correct & that "chain migration" is a no go for TrumpLast time I believe Dem wanted unlimited Chain migration and few other items? Trump would not be swindled. Go around them. You can't deal with this level of dishonest evil dems.
Well, a Tweet oughta do it. Right?actually yes he didTrump wasn't the one who offered citizenship to millions, was it?Wonder if he will offer citizenship to millions again?with this president, I doubt it
he has to give them something, but no way they get "everything they want"
In that case incentive is everything.
TRUMP TWEETS that he wants DACA amnesty and Dems DON’T!!!
I was thinking more along the lines of a valid offer made to reps of Congress, like happened a year ago and Trump rejected, two days after saying on national television that he would sign whatever Congress agreed to.
The Pres let us down. He would have gotten his 5B. He could have battled on for his other immigration reforms the next time. The Wall would be under construction by now.
But Trump said NO.
What little commie rodent shits do you think are suffering?If he does nothing else but make these little commie rodent shits suffer until 2020, I will be satisfied.Trump needs the support of voters to swing his way and against the democrats. Otherwise, NP will always be a NO for the wall.
I would consider RBG's replacement a bonus.
.
TSA employees with no paychecks. Coast Guardsmen with no paychecks. Mean salary for a TSA employee: $40,000. Seaman: $29,000; Petty Officer $43,000.
TSA is there to keep bombs off our planes. Coast Guard pulls drowning people from the water. They make enough to put shoes on the kids' feet, but nothing fancy. In some places, you couldn't even live on it.
Like in California, where I heard on the radio this morning, the state wants to "loan" TSA employees some of their unemployment funds to get them by 'til they get their retroactive pay. Trump has forbidden it. The state says they're going to do it anyway.
Reagan and Bush both set in motion the laws on chain migration but you still try to blame the wrong party. Since evidently they have you hoodwinked into believing a lie rich folks and corporations love the illegals they find them better workers than white people.Last time I believe Dem wanted unlimited Chain migration and few other items? Trump would not be swindled. Go around them. You can't deal with this level of dishonest evil dems.
Well, a Tweet oughta do it. Right?actually yes he didTrump wasn't the one who offered citizenship to millions, was it?Wonder if he will offer citizenship to millions again?with this president, I doubt it
he has to give them something, but no way they get "everything they want"
In that case incentive is everything.
TRUMP TWEETS that he wants DACA amnesty and Dems DON’T!!!
I was thinking more along the lines of a valid offer made to reps of Congress, like happened a year ago and Trump rejected, two days after saying on national television that he would sign whatever Congress agreed to.
The Pres let us down. He would have gotten his 5B. He could have battled on for his other immigration reforms the next time. The Wall would be under construction by now.
But Trump said NO.
There already is a wall and a wall will not alleviate your son's activity on the water.What little commie rodent shits do you think are suffering?If he does nothing else but make these little commie rodent shits suffer until 2020, I will be satisfied.Trump needs the support of voters to swing his way and against the democrats. Otherwise, NP will always be a NO for the wall.
I would consider RBG's replacement a bonus.
.
TSA employees with no paychecks. Coast Guardsmen with no paychecks. Mean salary for a TSA employee: $40,000. Seaman: $29,000; Petty Officer $43,000.
TSA is there to keep bombs off our planes. Coast Guard pulls drowning people from the water. They make enough to put shoes on the kids' feet, but nothing fancy. In some places, you couldn't even live on it.
Like in California, where I heard on the radio this morning, the state wants to "loan" TSA employees some of their unemployment funds to get them by 'til they get their retroactive pay. Trump has forbidden it. The state says they're going to do it anyway.
My son is a Coast Guard petty officer. And believe me they want the wall. Democrats will never break them. They fight human trafficking and drug smuggling every day.
And yes they pull drowning people out of the water. Now I know what you are going to say...people are going to drown anyway. People are going to drown when there are no Coast Guard nearby. But at least they do what they can...for low pay. Or no pay at the moment.
