Trump plans to make Democrats an offer to end shutdown, not declare national emergency...

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Trump is winning the perception war right now, support for a wall is trending up on the right, and support for a compromise is trending up with those on the left

It's looking more and more like Democrats will be forced to come to the table, which is good news for America

https://www-m.cnn.com/2019/01/18/po...ch-shutdown/index.html?r=https://www.cnn.com/

(CNN) — President Donald Trump plans to offer Democrats another proposal to end the shutdown when he addresses the nation from the White House on Saturday afternoon -- what officials are describing as his third offer to end the shutdown, according to a senior administration official.

The official told CNN that Trump's idea is to put something on the table to get Democrats to engage with negotiations. Trump is not expected to back down from his demand for a border wall, but the plan will seek to entice Democrats by offering other concessions.
 
I do not expect he will offer anything of substance in his so-called deal. He's really shown colossal stupidity picking this fight that should have began and ended with his inability to get anything from a republican congress.
 
Trump thinks out of the box, so this will probably surprise all of us. Prescription drug deal? Pot legalization? Infrastructure in certain areas?
 
I do not expect he will offer anything of substance in his so-called deal. He's really shown colossal stupidity picking this fight that should have began and ended with his inability to get anything from a republican congress.
It would have been much more politically convenient for the democrats had he not saved this fight for them to show how they love to sell us out to foreign interests for new voters.

I am kind of glad he did. The house GOP got kicked in the balls for doing nothing and now the house Dems are getting kicked the balls.

They are all hate us. They loath us. They are angry that they have to kiss our asses to get elected but after that, not one of these Washingto assholes give a single rat fuck about Americans.

Fuck them all!!!

I hope Trump keeps going in dry on their raw anuses. I hope they suffer many many more rotten cases of scorching hemorrhoids.

Keep up the ass rape, Trump.
 
I do not expect he will offer anything of substance in his so-called deal. He's really shown colossal stupidity picking this fight that should have began and ended with his inability to get anything from a republican congress.
It would have been much more politically convenient for the democrats had he not saved this fight for them to show how they love sell us out to foreign interests for new voters.

I am kind of glad he did. The house GOP got kicked in the balls for doing nothing and now the house Dems are getting kicked the balls.

They are all hate us. They loath us. They are angry that they have to kiss our asses to get elected but after that, not one of these Washingto assholes give a single rat fuck about Americans.

Fuck them all!!!

I hope Trump keeps going in dry on their raw anuses. I hope they suffer many many more rotten cases of scorching hemorrhoids.

Keep up the ass rape, Trump.
Trump is the weakest, most cowardly president in living memory. He has this one thing, the shutdown, left. Every passing day erodes the support he will need to save his presidency.
 
Trump is winning the perception war right now, support for a wall is trending up on the right, and support for a compromise is trending up with those on the left

It's looking more and more like Democrats will be forced to come to the table, which is good news for America

https://www-m.cnn.com/2019/01/18/politics/trump-saturday-speech-shutdown/index.html?r=https://www.cnn.com/

(CNN) — President Donald Trump plans to offer Democrats another proposal to end the shutdown when he addresses the nation from the White House on Saturday afternoon -- what officials are describing as his third offer to end the shutdown, according to a senior administration official.

The official told CNN that Trump's idea is to put something on the table to get Democrats to engage with negotiations. Trump is not expected to back down from his demand for a border wall, but the plan will seek to entice Democrats by offering other concessions.
Why is Trump doing these negotiations via television? Does he think we are going to vote on it?
 
Why not a border barrier (wall, fence,whatever)?

Many say because it will be ineffective. Many think it's a necessity and will be effective. My question to those against the border barrier is what harm will it do? Is it really worth keeping the government "shut down" to say no to the border barrier.

Lets be real, both sides have the power to end the government shutdown. Trump can cave in, but then there will certainly not be funding for more border barrier. NP and the house can end the shutdown for 2-3 billion for new border barrier, a lot of money, but hardly a blip on total national spending.

The truth is that the fight is not really about the border barrier, it's about the presidential election in 2020. If Trump fights and gets his "wall", his chance of winning reelection increases greatly. If he had caved in December, like he almost did, he could had kissed his chances of reelection goodbye because he would have lost his base. And of course the real reason NP and the dems don't want to appropriate money for the border barrier is that it would be a win for Trump, possibly giving him a second term. They want a dem sitting in the oval.

If someone could wave a magic wand and remove the politics of the next presidential election, a compromise would be quite easy to reach and the shutdown would be over.
 
Trump is winning the perception war right now, support for a wall is trending up on the right, and support for a compromise is trending up with those on the left

It's looking more and more like Democrats will be forced to come to the table, which is good news for America

https://www-m.cnn.com/2019/01/18/politics/trump-saturday-speech-shutdown/index.html?r=https://www.cnn.com/

(CNN) — President Donald Trump plans to offer Democrats another proposal to end the shutdown when he addresses the nation from the White House on Saturday afternoon -- what officials are describing as his third offer to end the shutdown, according to a senior administration official.

The official told CNN that Trump's idea is to put something on the table to get Democrats to engage with negotiations. Trump is not expected to back down from his demand for a border wall, but the plan will seek to entice Democrats by offering other concessions.
Why is Trump doing these negotiations via television? Does he think we are going to vote on it?
Trump needs the support of voters to swing his way and against the democrats. Otherwise, NP will always be a NO for the wall.
 
Trump is the weakest, most cowardly president in living memory. He has this one thing, the shutdown, left. Every passing day erodes the support he will need to save his presidency
:laughing0301:

Do you think Trump gives a shit about saving his presidency? He has NOTHING to lose and neither do we. Fuck the government. Keep that motherfucking bitch shut down until 2020. We don't give a RAT FUCK!!! We have nothing to lose and everything to gain by letting this bloated piece of donkey-shit governemt rot to the fucking bone!

Negotiations 101: Never play hardball with someone who has nothing to lose.

Either give us a wall or CRY in your authoritarian cornflakes while FedZilla emaciates.

:laughing0301:

Melt, bitch! Your commie tears are delicious!

:laughing0301:
 
Trump is winning the perception war right now, support for a wall is trending up on the right, and support for a compromise is trending up with those on the left

It's looking more and more like Democrats will be forced to come to the table, which is good news for America

https://www-m.cnn.com/2019/01/18/politics/trump-saturday-speech-shutdown/index.html?r=https://www.cnn.com/

(CNN) — President Donald Trump plans to offer Democrats another proposal to end the shutdown when he addresses the nation from the White House on Saturday afternoon -- what officials are describing as his third offer to end the shutdown, according to a senior administration official.

The official told CNN that Trump's idea is to put something on the table to get Democrats to engage with negotiations. Trump is not expected to back down from his demand for a border wall, but the plan will seek to entice Democrats by offering other concessions.
Why is Trump doing these negotiations via television? Does he think we are going to vote on it?

I understand why he is doing it on TV, he is losing in the court of public opinion bigly, so he will attempt to make an offer in such a way to put the bad light on to the Dems.

Do not know if he will succeed, but I assume he will do better than his 8 minute read speech the other night.
 
Why not a border barrier (wall, fence,whatever)?

Many say because it will be ineffective. Many think it's a necessity and will be effective. My question to those against the border barrier is what harm will it do? Is it really worth keeping the government "shut down" to say no to the border barrier.

Lets be real, both sides have the power to end the government shutdown. Trump can cave in, but then there will certainly not be funding for more border barrier. NP and the house can end the shutdown for 2-3 billion for new border barrier, a lot of money, but hardly a blip on total national spending.

The truth is that the fight is not really about the border barrier, it's about the presidential election in 2020. If Trump fights and gets his "wall", his chance of winning reelection increases greatly. If he had caved in December, like he almost did, he could had kissed his chances of reelection goodbye because he would have lost his base. And of course the real reason NP and the dems don't want to appropriate money for the border barrier is that it would be a win for Trump, possibly giving him a second term. They want a dem sitting in the oval.

If someone could wave a magic wand and remove the politics of the next presidential election, a compromise would be quite easy to reach and the shutdown would be over.
what harm will it do?
$5B wasted.
This is 1B. Multiply by 5.
one-billion-dollars.jpg
 
Trump is the weakest, most cowardly president in living memory. He has this one thing, the shutdown, left. Every passing day erodes the support he will need to save his presidency
:laughing0301:

Do you think Trump gives a shit about saving his presidency? He has NOTHING to lose and neither do we. Fuck the government. Keep that motherfucking bitch shut down until 2020. We don't give a RAT FUCK!!! We have nothing to lose and everything to gain by letting this bloated piece of donkey-shit governemt rot to the fucking bone!

Negotiations 101: Never play hardball with someone who has nothing to lose.

Either give us a wall or CRY in your authoritarian cornflakes while FedZilla emaciates.

:laughing0301:

Melt, bitch! Your commie tears are delicious!

:laughing0301:

His presidency and his legacy as POTUS is all he cares about. He does not care about the wall or illegal immigrants, this is about securing his place in history.
 
no doubt one way or another trump will give the dems exactly what they want
with this president, I doubt it

he has to give them something, but no way they get "everything they want"
Wonder if he will offer citizenship to millions again?
In that case incentive is everything.
Trump wasn't the one who offered citizenship to millions, was it?
actually yes he did

TRUMP TWEETS that he wants DACA amnesty and Dems DON’T!!!
 
Why not a border barrier (wall, fence,whatever)?

Many say because it will be ineffective. Many think it's a necessity and will be effective. My question to those against the border barrier is what harm will it do? Is it really worth keeping the government "shut down" to say no to the border barrier.

Lets be real, both sides have the power to end the government shutdown. Trump can cave in, but then there will certainly not be funding for more border barrier. NP and the house can end the shutdown for 2-3 billion for new border barrier, a lot of money, but hardly a blip on total national spending.

The truth is that the fight is not really about the border barrier, it's about the presidential election in 2020. If Trump fights and gets his "wall", his chance of winning reelection increases greatly. If he had caved in December, like he almost did, he could had kissed his chances of reelection goodbye because he would have lost his base. And of course the real reason NP and the dems don't want to appropriate money for the border barrier is that it would be a win for Trump, possibly giving him a second term. They want a dem sitting in the oval.

If someone could wave a magic wand and remove the politics of the next presidential election, a compromise would be quite easy to reach and the shutdown would be over.
what harm will it do?
$5B wasted.
This is 1B. Multiply by 5.

Please, this is never and has never been about the money. Our government added 1.38 trillion dollars to our debt last year, you think any of them really care about 5 billion?
 
Trump needs the support of voters to swing his way and against the democrats. Otherwise, NP will always be a NO for the wall.
If he does nothing else but make these little commie rodent shits suffer until 2020, I will be satisfied.

I would consider RBG's replacement a bonus.

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