Trump now owns healthcare, and the GOP will need to go home

[The Derp]

For those who are unaware of what a few derps want you to accept as the norm these stories may give you a clue to what will be happening if you don't get rid of Obungle Care. Repeal it and do not replace it. Kill it! Before it kills you or a member of your family.

What a fucking piece of shit you are. So, now the Conservative knows he cannot provide details of his imaginary friend, so he is trying to gaslight the Kaiser Family Foundation -which is different from Kaiser Permanente- so he doesn't have to accept the conclusions of their insurance marketplace calculator.

Fine! Choose any of the myriad other insurance calculators out there. There are plenty.

Like this one, from healthinsurance.org.

Or this one, from healthcaremarketplace.com.

Or this one, from ehealthinsurance.com

Doesn't matter which one you choose, they're not going to make your imaginary friend's case any more real.

 

[Boss]

It was charged that "the GOP has done everything to ruin ACA since inception." I asked for an example.

Here's three:

1. Rubio destroying risk corridors in 2013
2. Conservative Red State death panels refusing to expand Medicaid since 2010
3. Trump's HHS spending taxpayer dollars in an attempt to discourage sign ups this past January.

That's just three off the top of my head. I'm sure there are many more.

Well, there's not many more and these are all disqualified. You are trying to use measures taken as the result of ACA failing to do what was promised, and making that be an attempt to ruin it. This is exactly the kind of intellectual dishonesty you people are becoming known for.

The truth is, the GOP doesn't have to try and ruin ACA, it was ruined before it was passed. It's been an abject failure. It's so fucking bad that you morons are now trying to hang it all around Trump's neck and walk away. It won't work, people know who passed Obamacare.

 

[The Derp]

For those who are unaware of what a few derps want you to accept as the norm these stories may give you a clue to what will be happening if you don't get rid of Obungle Care. Repeal it and do not replace it. Kill it! Before it kills you or a member of your family.

This guy Rodshi is such a fucking piece of shit, he has to gaslight KFF because he doesn't want to have to provide the details on his imaginary friend that won't end up corroborating his wild claims.

For shame.

 

[The Derp]

Well, there's not many more and these are all disqualified.

How are they "disqualified"? Explain. Rubio destroying the risk corridors is precisely the reason why insurers are leaving certain marketplaces. The refusal of red state death panels to expand Medicaid has forced millions into the coverage gap. And it's right there in black and white showing Trump using taxpayer money to discourage ACA sign ups.

The problem is you're a fucking liar and you can't admit when you're wrong. Which you are. Totally.

You are trying to use measures taken as the result of ACA failing to do what was promised, and making that be an attempt to ruin it. This is exactly the kind of intellectual dishonesty you people are becoming known for.

No, those three things were specific actions the GOP took to undermine the law. If you don't understand how or why, then it's likely you have an extra chromosome or two. Prior to Rubio eliminating it, the risk corridors were present in the law. Prior to SCOTUS undermining it, Medicaid expansion was national. Prior to Trump spending money to discourage it, the ACA was using those dollars to promote sign ups. So I don't know how it can be any clearer for you. I think you're being deliberately obtuse now because of your fucking ego. Ugh. Get. Over. Yourself. Your ego is not important to anyone. There's no need to play dumb. It's actually very disrespectful.

The truth is, the GOP doesn't have to try and ruin ACA, it was ruined before it was passed. It's been an abject failure. It's so fucking bad that you morons are now trying to hang it all around Trump's neck and walk away. It won't work, people know who passed Obamacare.

Bullshit. Conservatives have been lying about the ACA since it was signed into law. Not one of the predictions you liars made about it have come true. You're all just a bunch of snowflakes who can't bear to be told you're wrong about something. Get over yourself.

 

[Papageorgio]

They didn't change it, so they own it?

You should have known as soon as your MessiahRushie told you the ACA has not been changed, that it truly has been changed!!!

Jul 18, 2017
RUSH: The law still says you have to buy it. Remember, the mandates are still there. The fines are still there. Everything’s still there if it isn’t repealed in its present downward spiral, which everybody agrees is happening.

The White House

Office of the Press Secretary

For Immediate Release

January 20, 2017

Executive Order Minimizing the Economic Burden of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act Pending Repeal

EXECUTIVE ORDER

Sec. 2. To the maximum extent permitted by law, the Secretary of Health and Human Services (Secretary) and the heads of all other executive departments and agencies (agencies) with authorities and responsibilities under the Act shall exercise all authority and discretion available to them to waive, defer, grant exemptions from, or delay the implementation of any provision or requirement of the Act that would impose a fiscal burden on any State or a cost, fee, tax, penalty, or regulatory burden on individuals, families, healthcare providers, health insurers, patients, recipients of healthcare services, purchasers of health insurance, or makers of medical devices, products, or medications.

I don't waste my time listening to Rush, you are the only person I see posting his words. Pretty funny.

So, Frank is your sock, or are you his???

I'm no ones sock deflect much, and what the hell does that have to do with my post? I haven't listened to Limbaugh since maybe 2001, all he is, is an agitator, just like you are. You keep pulling out his dribble like it means something. Then you repeat the same shit post after post, your act is old, boring and lends nothing to the discussion. Keep on citing Rush, it proves you are just an out of touch left wing asshole.

It really hurts you to have your MessiahRushie exposed as the lying scum he is.

I wouldn't know if he lies or doesn't lie, I haven't listened to him in 15 or 16 years. It seems you are the one with crush on him.

 

[Penelope]

You do not like the truth so you make up your own bs trying to push your own agenda.

No, actually, you're the ones doing that. Like this imaginary construction worker friend who you claim saw his premiums rise by $1,800, but you strangely refuse to divulge information that can corroborate your claim. So why the fuck should I take your word for it? What the actual fuck have you done to establish enough trust where I can accept second-hand anecdotal information you give me? You guys are such egomaniacs you have to make shit up just so you don't have to admit you're wrong on a fucking message board.

Get the holy living fuck over yourself.

Kaiser is not an established provider for obunglecare throughout the rest of the country so it doesn't mean shit what their calculator says.

Hey you stupid fucking idiot, Kaiser is in fact a health care provider, and the Kaiser Family Foundation, which devised the calculator mechanism specifically for this purpose, has no partisan agenda. Gah!

So you come here on the boards to spread lying bullshit, why? What is your reason for lying and making up shit on a message board? Is it an ego thing? Are you paid to do this? Are you testing out stupid arguments that you can use IRL? What gives?

Nah' you make up shit and think you are going to do it without getting called on it.

Democrats are perfectly happy paying a Muslim Brotherhood spy $150,000.00 a year but they damn sure have a problem when it comes to paying an American national construction worker the same.

Look idiot, various members of my family worked for Kaiser Steel long before they sold the private health system. My daughter was born at Kaiser hospital when it was for employees only. What you are reading from may say Kaiser but that doesn't make it Kaiser or Kaiser Steel. It's like Norwest paying for the use of Wells Fargo's name. That is what got their ball rolling. You see, each state requires a charter for an out of state corporation to enter into business in that state.

A leader in health policy analysis and health journalism, the Kaiser Family Foundation is dedicated to filling the need for trusted information on national health issues.
Kaiser is a non-profit organization focusing on national health issues, as well as the U.S. role in global health policy. Unlike grant-making foundations, Kaiser develops and runs its own policy analysis, journalism and communications programs, sometimes in partnership with major news organizations.

We serve as a non-partisan source of facts, analysis and journalism for policymakers, the media, the health policy community and the public. Our product is information, always provided free of charge — from the most sophisticated policy research, to basic facts and numbers, to in depth health policy news coverage provided by our news service, KHN, to information young people can use to improve their health or the general public can use to understand the health reform law.

The modern day KFF was established in the early 1990s with its current mission and operating style.

It is not associated with Kaiser Permanente.

About Us

 

[RodISHI]

For those who are unaware of what a few derps want you to accept as the norm these stories may give you a clue to what will be happening if you don't get rid of Obungle Care. Repeal it and do not replace it. Kill it! Before it kills you or a member of your family.

This guy Rodshi is such a fucking piece of shit, he has to gaslight KFF because he doesn't want to have to provide the details on his imaginary friend that won't end up corroborating his wild claims.

For shame.

You show what an ignorant pos you are and I don't share details on my family so cat's got your tongue.....Kaiser has been shitcare since your money mongrels took it over. Besides Top 730 Complaints and Reviews about Kaiser Permanente Insurance tells the truth about government sponsored socialized healthcare. Btw, you won't find my name in there.

 

[RodISHI]

You do not like the truth so you make up your own bs trying to push your own agenda.

No, actually, you're the ones doing that. Like this imaginary construction worker friend who you claim saw his premiums rise by $1,800, but you strangely refuse to divulge information that can corroborate your claim. So why the fuck should I take your word for it? What the actual fuck have you done to establish enough trust where I can accept second-hand anecdotal information you give me? You guys are such egomaniacs you have to make shit up just so you don't have to admit you're wrong on a fucking message board.

Get the holy living fuck over yourself.

Kaiser is not an established provider for obunglecare throughout the rest of the country so it doesn't mean shit what their calculator says.

Hey you stupid fucking idiot, Kaiser is in fact a health care provider, and the Kaiser Family Foundation, which devised the calculator mechanism specifically for this purpose, has no partisan agenda. Gah!

So you come here on the boards to spread lying bullshit, why? What is your reason for lying and making up shit on a message board? Is it an ego thing? Are you paid to do this? Are you testing out stupid arguments that you can use IRL? What gives?

Nah' you make up shit and think you are going to do it without getting called on it.

Democrats are perfectly happy paying a Muslim Brotherhood spy $150,000.00 a year but they damn sure have a problem when it comes to paying an American national construction worker the same.

Look idiot, various members of my family worked for Kaiser Steel long before they sold the private health system. My daughter was born at Kaiser hospital when it was for employees only. What you are reading from may say Kaiser but that doesn't make it Kaiser or Kaiser Steel. It's like Norwest paying for the use of Wells Fargo's name. That is what got their ball rolling. You see, each state requires a charter for an out of state corporation to enter into business in that state.

A leader in health policy analysis and health journalism, the Kaiser Family Foundation is dedicated to filling the need for trusted information on national health issues.
Kaiser is a non-profit organization focusing on national health issues, as well as the U.S. role in global health policy. Unlike grant-making foundations, Kaiser develops and runs its own policy analysis, journalism and communications programs, sometimes in partnership with major news organizations.

We serve as a non-partisan source of facts, analysis and journalism for policymakers, the media, the health policy community and the public. Our product is information, always provided free of charge — from the most sophisticated policy research, to basic facts and numbers, to in depth health policy news coverage provided by our news service, KHN, to information young people can use to improve their health or the general public can use to understand the health reform law.

The modern day KFF was established in the early 1990s with its current mission and operating style.

It is not associated with Kaiser Permanente.

About Us

Thanks for adding some more fuel for derps wild fire.

 

[The Derp]

You show what an ignorant pos you are and I don't share details on my family

So then how can we take anything you say truthfully?

 

[The Derp]

Top 730 Complaints and Reviews about Kaiser Permanente Insurance tells the truth about government sponsored socialized healthcare. Btw, you won't find my name in there.

KFF is not a part of Kaiser Permanente, by the way. This is what I am talking about when I say you don't know what health insurance is, you don't know what health insurance companies do, and you don't know how it relates to health care delivery.

So you just conflate the issue in the hopes it fatigues the conversation. But nevertheless, I persist.

 

[RodISHI]

Top 730 Complaints and Reviews about Kaiser Permanente Insurance tells the truth about government sponsored socialized healthcare. Btw, you won't find my name in there.

KFF is not a part of Kaiser Permanente, by the way. This is what I am talking about when I say you don't know what health insurance is, you don't know what health insurance companies do, and you don't know how it relates to health care delivery.

So you just conflate the issue in the hopes it fatigues the conversation. But nevertheless, I persist.

Eat shit and bark at the moon dog breath as you are the one that brought up Kaiser. BTW, Thanks for adding another link to that socialist chain. It wasn't a link I had connected yet.


Prophecy in the songs for those with an ear to hear. Papa told me as a child what these derps of today would attempt to do to the people.

This one's for derp......

 

[debbiedowner]

Right, you know exactly what I'm opposed to.

Thing is, Conservatives have no idea what it is they actually want. All they know is what they don't want, and that's a pretty childish way to go about policy. Individual mandates are necessary if you are looking to keep premiums low. The more healthy people that pay into the premium pool, the lower the premium for that pool. That's how insurance works. Then, when those healthy people become unhealthy, the new healthy people cover their costs. And the system repeats itself as such. That's how it's sustainable.

Mandates are not keeping insurance rates low. If the lawyers wife wants to continue with her expensive cancer treatment she and hubby may have to sell that million dollar plus house and tell their kids that they will have to pay for their own college just like poor peoples children generally have to do.

Man you are a lost one. Obviously you do not understand insurance.

Obviously I understand it all to well. I actually considered selling some of it for a brief moment in time. Spent two days studying, spent the required two hundred bucks for that module, took the test and got a license for that specific type of insurance that I was considering being a sales person for with a possibility of expanding later after I checked it all out throughally. Spent one day with another agent and then came across his superior that accosted me in an attempt to steal my notes out of my hands.

I was also the one for years who determined which insurance my company would have for the employees and my own family. I also have a fairly decent line on the medical community and the pitfalls in that field too due to some fortunate and unfortunate circumstances. Insurance forced protection by the government onto people. It is racketeering made legal through legislative action. If you want it you should be able to buy it freely. If not and the legislators force you into buying it or else it is just another gangster type racketeering program legalized for a few can benefit off of other peoples labor and efforts.

edit for clarity; BTW, that insurance company offered to open up an office that they wanted me to run. I declined.

Good you didn't continue, as with the Marketplace you do not need a sales agent. I am pro Gov healthcare because one can't trust the insurance companies. We have been self insured for years and it has not been good, always having to worry about increases and cuts and getting diagnosed with anything for fear of being cut.

You can be pro marketplace all you want and get a straight answer from them, don't think so. They are not licensed agents and will tell you anything to get rid of you.

 

[debbiedowner]

Right, you know exactly what I'm opposed to.

Thing is, Conservatives have no idea what it is they actually want. All they know is what they don't want, and that's a pretty childish way to go about policy. Individual mandates are necessary if you are looking to keep premiums low. The more healthy people that pay into the premium pool, the lower the premium for that pool. That's how insurance works. Then, when those healthy people become unhealthy, the new healthy people cover their costs. And the system repeats itself as such. That's how it's sustainable.

Mandates are not keeping insurance rates low. If the lawyers wife wants to continue with her expensive cancer treatment she and hubby may have to sell that million dollar plus house and tell their kids that they will have to pay for their own college just like poor peoples children generally have to do.

Man you are a lost one. Obviously you do not understand insurance.

Obviously I understand it all to well. I actually considered selling some of it for a brief moment in time. Spent two days studying, spent the required two hundred bucks for that module, took the test and got a license for that specific type of insurance that I was considering being a sales person for with a possibility of expanding later after I checked it all out throughally. Spent one day with another agent and then came across his superior that accosted me in an attempt to steal my notes out of my hands.

I was also the one for years who determined which insurance my company would have for the employees and my own family. I also have a fairly decent line on the medical community and the pitfalls in that field too due to some fortunate and unfortunate circumstances. Insurance forced protection by the government onto people. It is racketeering made legal through legislative action. If you want it you should be able to buy it freely. If not and the legislators force you into buying it or else it is just another gangster type racketeering program legalized for a few can benefit off of other peoples labor and efforts.

edit for clarity; BTW, that insurance company offered to open up an office that they wanted me to run. I declined.

Good you didn't continue, as with the Marketplace you do not need a sales agent. I am pro Gov healthcare because one can't trust the insurance companies. We have been self insured for years and it has not been good, always having to worry about increases and cuts and getting diagnosed with anything for fear of being cut.

What, do think it costs more to go through a knowledgeable sales agent? Don't think so and they know the networks and the plans, marketplace does not.

 

[Boss]

Well, there's not many more and these are all disqualified.

How are they "disqualified"? Explain. Rubio destroying the risk corridors is precisely the reason why insurers are leaving certain marketplaces. The refusal of red state death panels to expand Medicaid has forced millions into the coverage gap. And it's right there in black and white showing Trump using taxpayer money to discourage ACA sign ups.

The problem is you're a fucking liar and you can't admit when you're wrong. Which you are. Totally.

You are trying to use measures taken as the result of ACA failing to do what was promised, and making that be an attempt to ruin it. This is exactly the kind of intellectual dishonesty you people are becoming known for.

No, those three things were specific actions the GOP took to undermine the law. If you don't understand how or why, then it's likely you have an extra chromosome or two. Prior to Rubio eliminating it, the risk corridors were present in the law. Prior to SCOTUS undermining it, Medicaid expansion was national. Prior to Trump spending money to discourage it, the ACA was using those dollars to promote sign ups. So I don't know how it can be any clearer for you. I think you're being deliberately obtuse now because of your fucking ego. Ugh. Get. Over. Yourself. Your ego is not important to anyone. There's no need to play dumb. It's actually very disrespectful.

The truth is, the GOP doesn't have to try and ruin ACA, it was ruined before it was passed. It's been an abject failure. It's so fucking bad that you morons are now trying to hang it all around Trump's neck and walk away. It won't work, people know who passed Obamacare.

Bullshit. Conservatives have been lying about the ACA since it was signed into law. Not one of the predictions you liars made about it have come true. You're all just a bunch of snowflakes who can't bear to be told you're wrong about something. Get over yourself.

I explained it once. Can't you read? The "risk corridors" thing that Rubio contested was a bailout of insurance companies who were losing their ass because young healthy people didn't sign up for Obamacare. It's the first consequence of a failing ACA and because Republicans wouldn't support your band aid, you spin this into "ruining" O-care!

What the SCOTUS did, can't be laid at the feet of the GOP. Is this where we have to go back and review the allegation I'm challenging? ..."the GOP has tried to ruin Obamacare since inception!" So we're not talking about Trump's EOs from 2017... the ACA was passed into law in 2010 when Trump was still a Democrat!

This monstrosity was passed into law in 2010. When Ted Cruz attempted to block funding of its rollout, he was crucified by his own party. The GOP hasn't done a thing legislatively to change ACA. It remains in law pretty much as it was rolled out with the exception of what SCOTUS found unconstitutional, which isn't the fault of the GOP!

No one needs to lie about ACA, many of us are living the nightmare of it. None of YOUR promises have come through! It didn't make health care more affordable or available. It was supposed to provide health care coverage for 40 million... at one point I think 50 million was boasted... turns out, most optimistic results is 22 million and half of those are welfare cases (Medicaid). This turkey just didn't fly... and now, we have smarmy little left-wing smart asses trying to lay this mess off on Trump.

 

[The Derp]

I explained it once. Can't you read? The "risk corridors" thing that Rubio contested was a bailout of insurance companies who were losing their ass because young healthy people didn't sign up for Obamacare. It's the first consequence of a failing ACA and because Republicans wouldn't support your band aid, you spin this into "ruining" O-care!

You understand the concept of insurance, right? Healthy people pay for sick people, and when those healthy people become sick, other healthy people pay for them. It's literally what health insurance is because people cannot afford most health care out of pocket. For instance, it costs on average $33K for an appendectomy. How are you supposed to pay for that if you don't have enough cash, and who does pay for it if you cannot? Because those charges are going to happen. All the people whose houses are not on fire are paying for those whose are.

hat the SCOTUS did, can't be laid at the feet of the GOP. Is this where we have to go back and review the allegation I'm challenging?

The GOP were the ones who brought the suit against Medicaid expansion. You asked if and how the GOP undermined Obamacare since its inception and I'm giving you examples. You are choosing not to accept them because accepting them would mean I am right and you are wrong and your ego won't allow that.

his monstrosity was passed into law in 2010. When Ted Cruz attempted to block funding of its rollout, he was crucified by his own party. The GOP hasn't done a thing legislatively to change ACA. It remains in law pretty much as it was rolled out with the exception of what SCOTUS found unconstitutional, which isn't the fault of the GOP!

Wrong, as I said before the GOP has done plenty to undermine the law, you even admitted it yourself with Rubio's risk corridors. That was legislative. Do you need a refresher on how a bill becomes a law?

No one needs to lie about ACA,

Yet that is what you do. You ripping half of Pelosi's statement out proves it. She said "we had to pass it so you knew what was in it outside the fog of controversy". By removing the bolded portion of her statement, you prove the entire statement true! Removing the bolded part of Pelosi's statement literally creates a fog of controversy because you are clouding the truth of what she said in order to lie about what she said. You get that, right?

many of us are living the nightmare of it.

Bullshit. You people all say you're victims, yet when pressed for details to corroborate your claims, you clam up. So there's no way to verify if you're actual victims. You refuse to show your work, leaving us to take your word for it. Why should I? Why should anyone?

None of YOUR promises have come through! It didn't make health care more affordable or available. It was supposed to provide health care coverage for 40 million... at one point I think 50 million was boasted... turns out, most optimistic results is 22 million and half of those are welfare cases (Medicaid). This turkey just didn't fly... and now, we have smarmy little left-wing smart asses trying to lay this mess off on Trump.

It wasn't supposed to give all those without insurance, insurance overnight. And it was never sold as such. Secondly, millions more would be covered if red state death panels expanded Medicaid. But they didn't. The problem is you guys don't know what health insurance is, what insurance companies do, and how it relates to health care delivery.

 

[The Derp]

Eat shit and bark at the moon dog breath as you are the one that brought up Kaiser. BTW, Thanks for adding another link to that socialist chain. It wasn't a link I had connected yet.

No, I brought up the Kaiser Family Foundation's insurance marketplace calculator. When you tried to gaslight them by conflating them with Kaiser Permanente, I gave you at least three other marketplace insurance calculators that exist. You still refuse to provide details that can corroborate your claims. It's pretty obvious why.

 

[Boss]

You understand the concept of insurance, right? Healthy people pay for sick people, and when those healthy people become sick, other healthy people pay for them. It's literally what health insurance is because people cannot afford most health care out of pocket. For instance, it costs on average $33K for an appendectomy. How are you supposed to pay for that if you don't have enough cash, and who does pay for it if you cannot? Because those charges are going to happen. All the people whose houses are not on fire are paying for those whose are.

You've got a lot of nerve. It YOU fucktards who don't understand how insurance works! When you mandate coverage for preexisting conditions, it becomes stupid for someone to pay for insurance until they are sick. The insurance carriers also have to be able to assess risk... A pyromaniac who has a history of burning his house down, might not be able to buy fire insurance because he's too much of a risk.

As for medical costs, whether you need it or not, it's not my responsibility to pay for what you can't afford. Every hospital in the country is subject to indigent care laws so they have to perform the appendectomy regardless of your ability to pay. Now, they may bill you or garnish your wages to recover the cost but that's the price you pay for them saving your life.

The GOP were the ones who brought the suit against Medicaid expansion. You asked if and how the GOP undermined Obamacare since its inception and I'm giving you examples. You are choosing not to accept them because accepting them would mean I am right and you are wrong and your ego won't allow that.

Well you're just fucking telling a lie. It was NOT the GOP who brought the case in question, it was the National Federation of Independent Business. They lost the challenge of constitutionally requiring all to have health care coverage but ruled that mandatory state Medicaid expansion was unconstitutional. When you pass an unconstitutional law and it is rightfully challenged, that isn't "ruining" anything. That's ensuring constitutionality.

Wrong, as I said before the GOP has done plenty to undermine the law, you even admitted it yourself with Rubio's risk corridors. That was legislative. Do you need a refresher on how a bill becomes a law?

The risk corridors was after the fact. This was because Obamacare FAILED to do as promised. It's not "undermining" something when you refuse to prop it up as it fails. This bill had failure written all over it and we warned you it did. Now, you're wanting to blame us for not doling out taxpayer money to prop it up.

And this should be a lesson to those establishment types who said, "let Obamacare collapse on its own!" As it is imploding, they are going to lie and blame you for it failing because you didn't prop it up.

 

[The Derp]

You've got a lot of nerve. It YOU fucktards who don't understand how insurance works! When you mandate coverage for preexisting conditions, it becomes stupid for someone to pay for insurance until they are sick. The insurance carriers also have to be able to assess risk... A pyromaniac who has a history of burning his house down, might not be able to buy fire insurance because he's too much of a risk.

Most health care issues are things that are out of people's control. They're genetic conditions that predispose people to certain things, or sometimes shit just happens (like appendicitis). You correctly say it's stupid to pay for insurance once you're sick, well, it's stupid to not have insurance at all when you do get sick. So what happens when you get sick and have no insurance? It's that part you guys never have an answer for beyond "don't get sick." Well don't be stupid, and get insurance. You people still don't understand what health insurance is. How is that possible????

As for medical costs, whether you need it or not, it's not my responsibility to pay for what you can't afford. .

Fucking moron...you're paying for it anyway. You pay higher premiums because people go to hospitals without insurance, incur high medical costs, and then can't pay it back. What do you think happens to the costs that "aren't paid back"? That's not a rhetorical question either, I seriously want to know what you think. You pay for it anyway when you pay your premium because that premium goes to pay for health care those enrolled in insurance cannot afford out of pocket. So you socialize your premiums together with the millions of other people enrolled in your plan. Those people may incur high medical costs, regardless of their previous risk. As I said many times, you don't know what your health needs are going to be day-to-day, and it's stupid to pretend you do. This just gets back to what I've been saying; you don't know what health insurance is, you don't know what insurance companies do, and you don't know how it relates to delivery of health care.

Every hospital in the country is subject to indigent care laws so they have to perform the appendectomy regardless of your ability to pay. Now, they may bill you or garnish your wages to recover the cost but that's the price you pay for them saving your life.

And what if they can't recover the cost from garnishing your wages? Pre-ACA, 60% of all bankruptcies were medical related, and 75% of those were people who had insurance. So the system you want continues to bankrupt people for things out of their control (like appendicitis). You don't seem to understand anything we're talking about. It's all off the top of your head, isn't it?

Well you're just fucking telling a lie. It was NOT the GOP who brought the case in question, it was the National Federation of Independent Business.

A GOP-affiliated group that counts all 25 of its Congressional members in the Republican Party. 96% of its "donations" are to Republicans. This is what I'm talking about when I say you are just shitting this out off the top of your head. You do rushed, sloppy work.

They lost the challenge of constitutionally requiring all to have health care coverage but ruled that mandatory state Medicaid expansion was unconstitutional. When you pass an unconstitutional law and it is rightfully challenged, that isn't "ruining" anything. That's ensuring constitutionality.

By doing what they did, they plunged millions of people into the Medicaid coverage gap. You admit that, right?

The risk corridors was after the fact.

Hold up. I said that the GOP has done everything they can to undermine the law since inception. The law was executed (inception) in March 2010. Rubio destroyed the risk corridors in 2013. Is 2013 before or after 2010? So since the law's inception in March 2010, Conservatives destroyed the risk corridors in 2013. Since the law's inception in 2010, Conservative Red State death panels refused to expand Medicaid. Now we have a case of words not meaning what they mean, according to clowns whose egos are so fragile, they have to post bullshit on message boards to make them feel better about themselves. Instead, you just look stupid.

This was because Obamacare FAILED to do as promised.

WTF? you don't know anything. The risk corridors were present in the law prior to 2013. Than you guys took those out, and after they were taken out, the promise of insurance failed. But that's not because of Obamacare. That's because of you guys deliberately undermining Obamacare.

It's not "undermining" something when you refuse to prop it up as it fails.

It only failed because you undermined it. Prior to removing the risk corridors, it wasn't failing. Only when you eliminated those risk corridors did insurers start dropping out of the exchanges. Moron.

This bill had failure written all over it and we warned you it did. Now, you're wanting to blame us for not doling out taxpayer money to prop it up.

WRONG. It didn't have failure written all over it. Not until you guys started chipping away at it. You did that by refusing to expand Medicaid, by eliminating the risk corridors, and by actively discouraging people from signing up. This is that personal responsibility shit you all screech about, but never put in practice. You all sowed chaos in the exchanges when you removed the risk corridors. That's what made it possible for insurers to offer coverage in areas where Trump won. But you'll never grasp that because you don't know what health insurance is, don't know what insurance companies do, and don't know how it relates to delivery.

 

[Boss]

You've got a lot of nerve. It YOU fucktards who don't understand how insurance works! When you mandate coverage for preexisting conditions, it becomes stupid for someone to pay for insurance until they are sick. The insurance carriers also have to be able to assess risk... A pyromaniac who has a history of burning his house down, might not be able to buy fire insurance because he's too much of a risk.

Most health care issues are things that are out of people's control. They're genetic conditions that predispose people to certain things, or sometimes shit just happens (like appendicitis). You correctly say it's stupid to pay for insurance once you're sick, well, it's stupid to not have insurance at all when you do get sick. So what happens when you get sick and have no insurance? It's that part you guys never have an answer for beyond "don't get sick." Well don't be stupid, and get insurance. You people still don't understand what health insurance is. How is that possible????

As for medical costs, whether you need it or not, it's not my responsibility to pay for what you can't afford. .

Fucking moron...you're paying for it anyway. You pay higher premiums because people go to hospitals without insurance, incur high medical costs, and then can't pay it back. What do you think happens to the costs that "aren't paid back"? That's not a rhetorical question either, I seriously want to know what you think. You pay for it anyway when you pay your premium because that premium goes to pay for health care those enrolled in insurance cannot afford out of pocket. So you socialize your premiums together with the millions of other people enrolled in your plan. Those people may incur high medical costs, regardless of their previous risk. As I said many times, you don't know what your health needs are going to be day-to-day, and it's stupid to pretend you do. This just gets back to what I've been saying; you don't know what health insurance is, you don't know what insurance companies do, and you don't know how it relates to delivery of health care.

Every hospital in the country is subject to indigent care laws so they have to perform the appendectomy regardless of your ability to pay. Now, they may bill you or garnish your wages to recover the cost but that's the price you pay for them saving your life.

And what if they can't recover the cost from garnishing your wages? Pre-ACA, 60% of all bankruptcies were medical related, and 75% of those were people who had insurance. So the system you want continues to bankrupt people for things out of their control (like appendicitis). You don't seem to understand anything we're talking about. It's all off the top of your head, isn't it?

Well you're just fucking telling a lie. It was NOT the GOP who brought the case in question, it was the National Federation of Independent Business.

A GOP-affiliated group that counts all 25 of its Congressional members in the Republican Party. 96% of its "donations" are to Republicans. This is what I'm talking about when I say you are just shitting this out off the top of your head. You do rushed, sloppy work.

They lost the challenge of constitutionally requiring all to have health care coverage but ruled that mandatory state Medicaid expansion was unconstitutional. When you pass an unconstitutional law and it is rightfully challenged, that isn't "ruining" anything. That's ensuring constitutionality.

By doing what they did, they plunged millions of people into the Medicaid coverage gap. You admit that, right?

The risk corridors was after the fact.

Hold up. I said that the GOP has done everything they can to undermine the law since inception. The law was executed (inception) in March 2010. Rubio destroyed the risk corridors in 2013. Is 2013 before or after 2010? So since the law's inception in March 2010, Conservatives destroyed the risk corridors in 2013. Since the law's inception in 2010, Conservative Red State death panels refused to expand Medicaid. Now we have a case of words not meaning what they mean, according to clowns whose egos are so fragile, they have to post bullshit on message boards to make them feel better about themselves. Instead, you just look stupid.

This was because Obamacare FAILED to do as promised.

WTF? you don't know anything. The risk corridors were present in the law prior to 2013. Than you guys took those out, and after they were taken out, the promise of insurance failed. But that's not because of Obamacare. That's because of you guys deliberately undermining Obamacare.

It's not "undermining" something when you refuse to prop it up as it fails.

It only failed because you undermined it. Prior to removing the risk corridors, it wasn't failing. Only when you eliminated those risk corridors did insurers start dropping out of the exchanges. Moron.

This bill had failure written all over it and we warned you it did. Now, you're wanting to blame us for not doling out taxpayer money to prop it up.

WRONG. It didn't have failure written all over it. Not until you guys started chipping away at it. You did that by refusing to expand Medicaid, by eliminating the risk corridors, and by actively discouraging people from signing up. This is that personal responsibility shit you all screech about, but never put in practice. You all sowed chaos in the exchanges when you removed the risk corridors. That's what made it possible for insurers to offer coverage in areas where Trump won. But you'll never grasp that because you don't know what health insurance is, don't know what insurance companies do, and don't know how it relates to delivery.

I'm not going to keep debating this with you. You are backing a health care insurance reform plan that is an abject failure. It did nothing it promised. On top of that, you are now backing measures to bail out insurance companies at the expense of the taxpayer. You have proven that you will throw literally anyone under the bus to continue supporting a progressive initiative... doesn't matter how much it fails and hurts people. You'll simply lie and distort, blaming failure and hurt on the GOP.

We can go back to the 90s when this all started with Bill Clinton putting Hillary in charge of healthcare reform. Health care wasn't some urgent and critical issue to most Americans. We had far more pressing problems... education, national debt, outsourcing jobs, radical terrorism.... but all we heard was HEALTHCARE! Most people were satisfied with their employer-based health care plans and this was not a big deal to them. You made it a big deal... a national debate. You pushed and prodded for years until you finally had the political power to ram through Obamacare without any bipartisan support. You got everything you demanded except "single payer" which even your own party wouldn't support. And here we are nearly a decade later and all we hear are the same emotively-charged arguments you began with.

 

[Carter Malone]

They just voted to continue a debate about a nonexistent bill. Waste of time. A vote to debate? WTF?

Except that it included big bucks to pharma and insurance that they were getting from some 20 million they throwing off their policies. It also included a 20% rate hike, across the board which was to be increased with the real repeal.

Sad thing is we were congratulating the Republicans for doing the right thing. Now, THATS pathetic.

More proof that Trump is a coward, scared of his own shadow,

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