Trump Lifts Trophy hunt import ban

The Liberal outrage against trophy hunting is as usual, misguided and ill-informed. Without trophy hunting in Africa, all you would have is poaching with little resources to fight back. With trophy hunting you have millions of dollars being put into Wildlife conservancy through donations and the permit fees. The meat from the trophy hunt is usually donated to local tribes who dearly need the meat.


Wrong. With wildlife tourism, each animal gets "used" over and over. It gets killed only once. Waste of natural resources.



And by culling the older non-breeding animals you allow the younger ones more space, more food and more opportunity to breed.

To me I think the biggest thing people against this forget is that in the wild a natural death is usually not pleasant. Animals don't just doze off and die in their sleep. They either slow down enough for predators and/or scavengers to take them out, or they become unable to move and slowly starve or die of thirst, unless some scavengers or predators come along and then they die from option 1.

That's the opposite of "trophy hunting". When was the last time you saw a write up about a hunter killing old or sick animals? FACT is, trophy hunters want the youngest, biggest and so on. That's the whole point of trophy hunting - the dead animal makes up for the lack of balls on the "hunter".

"Hunter" in quotes because there's usually very little "hunting" involved.

Gotta congratulate you on your idea that since dying in nature is unpleasant, we should just shoot them. That's about as lame as it gets.


In Africa you have poaching with little resources to fight back.

Trophy hunting doesn't change this. The money ends up in the pockets of corrupt officials and nothing more. No more money gets spent on dealing with poaching because there are trophy hunters.

Trophy hunting in Africa: 'Hunt operators are conservationists first, and hunters second'

"The benefits hunters cite are disputed. The League Against Cruel Sports say less than 5% of tour fees go to the government for wildlife conservation. And trophy hunting does damage populations, say conservationists. Researchers who tagged leopards in a reserve in Kwazulu Natal in South Africa found 23 of the 26 leopards tracked between 2002 and 2005 were killed through hunting and poaching for bushmeat."

Is Trophy Hunting Helping Save African Elephants?

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Fees from trophy hunting of elephants that are supposed to help local communities—and elephants—often don’t. "

"But a closer look at trophy hunting in Africa shows that the industry employs few people and that the money from hunt fees that trickles down to needy villagers is minimal. Government corruption can be a factor. In Zimbabwe, for instance, individuals associated with President Robert Mugabe have seized lands in lucrative hunting areas. Trophy hunting isn’t stopping poaching, especially in countries that have a poor record of protecting their wildlife."

Exactly true.

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Donnie Two Scoops did this for one reason - so Little DonDon could bring dead heads home with him.

I can't stand the scum DonDon..he is wimp who scums off his daddy's money and gets his rocks off killing beautficul animals..

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:CryingCow:
Simply Beautiful

I would rather see these animals alive ..they mean nothing on the wall..

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Getting some yob to spend up to $300k to put an old one of these animals on his wall allows the species as whole to have a chance at survival.
 
Wrong. With wildlife tourism, each animal gets "used" over and over. It gets killed only once. Waste of natural resources.



That's the opposite of "trophy hunting". When was the last time you saw a write up about a hunter killing old or sick animals? FACT is, trophy hunters want the youngest, biggest and so on. That's the whole point of trophy hunting - the dead animal makes up for the lack of balls on the "hunter".

"Hunter" in quotes because there's usually very little "hunting" involved.

Gotta congratulate you on your idea that since dying in nature is unpleasant, we should just shoot them. That's about as lame as it gets.


Exactly true.

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Donnie Two Scoops did this for one reason - so Little DonDon could bring dead heads home with him.

I can't stand the scum DonDon..he is wimp who scums off his daddy's money and gets his rocks off killing beautficul animals..

.
:CryingCow:
Simply Beautiful

I would rather see these animals alive ..they mean nothing on the wall..

.


Getting some yob to spend up to $300k to put an old one of these animals on his wall allows the species as whole to have a chance at survival.


From what I have read, they put the animal in a space and is hunted.. not giving the animal a chance to get away so wimps like Trump Jr. can feel like a man..That is not hunting it is mean.

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I can't stand the scum DonDon..he is wimp who scums off his daddy's money and gets his rocks off killing beautficul animals..

.
:CryingCow:
Simply Beautiful

I would rather see these animals alive ..they mean nothing on the wall..

.


Getting some yob to spend up to $300k to put an old one of these animals on his wall allows the species as whole to have a chance at survival.


From what I have read, they put the animal in a space and is hunted.. not giving the animal a chance to get away so wimps like Trump Jr. can feel like a man..That is not hunting it is mean.

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They have to make sure they are killing the proper animal, the one selected by the conservation people as non-breeding or detrimental to the rest of the herd.

Sometimes they "cage" the animal in a limited space, not an actual cage.

Shooting the wrong animal can be a crime, so they have to make sure it's the right one.
 
The Liberal outrage against trophy hunting is as usual, misguided and ill-informed. Without trophy hunting in Africa, all you would have is poaching with little resources to fight back. With trophy hunting you have millions of dollars being put into Wildlife conservancy through donations and the permit fees. The meat from the trophy hunt is usually donated to local tribes who dearly need the meat.


Wrong. With wildlife tourism, each animal gets "used" over and over. It gets killed only once. Waste of natural resources.



And by culling the older non-breeding animals you allow the younger ones more space, more food and more opportunity to breed.

To me I think the biggest thing people against this forget is that in the wild a natural death is usually not pleasant. Animals don't just doze off and die in their sleep. They either slow down enough for predators and/or scavengers to take them out, or they become unable to move and slowly starve or die of thirst, unless some scavengers or predators come along and then they die from option 1.

That's the opposite of "trophy hunting". When was the last time you saw a write up about a hunter killing old or sick animals? FACT is, trophy hunters want the youngest, biggest and so on. That's the whole point of trophy hunting - the dead animal makes up for the lack of balls on the "hunter".

"Hunter" in quotes because there's usually very little "hunting" involved.

Gotta congratulate you on your idea that since dying in nature is unpleasant, we should just shoot them. That's about as lame as it gets.


In Africa you have poaching with little resources to fight back.

Trophy hunting doesn't change this. The money ends up in the pockets of corrupt officials and nothing more. No more money gets spent on dealing with poaching because there are trophy hunters.

Trophy hunting in Africa: 'Hunt operators are conservationists first, and hunters second'

"The benefits hunters cite are disputed. The League Against Cruel Sports say less than 5% of tour fees go to the government for wildlife conservation. And trophy hunting does damage populations, say conservationists. Researchers who tagged leopards in a reserve in Kwazulu Natal in South Africa found 23 of the 26 leopards tracked between 2002 and 2005 were killed through hunting and poaching for bushmeat."

Is Trophy Hunting Helping Save African Elephants?

"


Fees from trophy hunting of elephants that are supposed to help local communities—and elephants—often don’t. "

"But a closer look at trophy hunting in Africa shows that the industry employs few people and that the money from hunt fees that trickles down to needy villagers is minimal. Government corruption can be a factor. In Zimbabwe, for instance, individuals associated with President Robert Mugabe have seized lands in lucrative hunting areas. Trophy hunting isn’t stopping poaching, especially in countries that have a poor record of protecting their wildlife."

Exactly true.

===
Donnie Two Scoops did this for one reason - so Little DonDon could bring dead heads home with him.

I can't stand the scum DonDon..he is wimp who scums off his daddy's money and gets his rocks off killing beautficul animals..

.
:CryingCow:
Simply Beautiful

I would rather see these animals alive ..they mean nothing on the wall..

.

Some don’t understand hunting, that’s ok...
 
I would rather see these animals alive ..they mean nothing on the wall.

I saw the darndest thing many years ago babysitting at college. It was a house with a central atrium and around all four interior sides was a balcony, the walls of which were thickly populated with African animal heads, game trophies of all kinds. It was a wealthy area but this was bizarre ---- and the girl's name, an only child of about seven, was "Marshall." I thought, poor kid. She doesn't have a chance to be a girl or woman.
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I can't stand the scum DonDon..he is wimp who scums off his daddy's money and gets his rocks off killing beautficul animals..

.
:CryingCow:
Simply Beautiful

I would rather see these animals alive ..they mean nothing on the wall..

.


Getting some yob to spend up to $300k to put an old one of these animals on his wall allows the species as whole to have a chance at survival.


From what I have read, they put the animal in a space and is hunted.. not giving the animal a chance to get away so wimps like Trump Jr. can feel like a man..That is not hunting it is mean.

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you watch too many Hollywood movies
 

I would rather see these animals alive ..they mean nothing on the wall..

.


Getting some yob to spend up to $300k to put an old one of these animals on his wall allows the species as whole to have a chance at survival.


From what I have read, they put the animal in a space and is hunted.. not giving the animal a chance to get away so wimps like Trump Jr. can feel like a man..That is not hunting it is mean.

.


They have to make sure they are killing the proper animal, the one selected by the conservation people as non-breeding or detrimental to the rest of the herd.

Sometimes they "cage" the animal in a limited space, not an actual cage.

Shooting the wrong animal can be a crime, so they have to make sure it's the right one.


The Indians lived in our area for many years, never disturbed the balance of nature and the white man comes and massive kills the buffalo almost off of the planet.

The indians respected the herds... for meat or fur.

But there is no need to play God and hunt these animals like a game.. Take a picture ..

Lets put Trump Jr.in a cage and hunt him without a weapon to fight back...

.Now Rustic, and Marty hunt their food, I believe.
 

I would rather see these animals alive ..they mean nothing on the wall..

.


Getting some yob to spend up to $300k to put an old one of these animals on his wall allows the species as whole to have a chance at survival.


From what I have read, they put the animal in a space and is hunted.. not giving the animal a chance to get away so wimps like Trump Jr. can feel like a man..That is not hunting it is mean.

.

you watch too many Hollywood movies


No..
'Canned hunting': the lions bred for slaughter
 
The Liberal outrage against trophy hunting is as usual, misguided and ill-informed. Without trophy hunting in Africa, all you would have is poaching with little resources to fight back. With trophy hunting you have millions of dollars being put into Wildlife conservancy through donations and the permit fees. The meat from the trophy hunt is usually donated to local tribes who dearly need the meat.

In Africa you have poaching with little resources to fight back.

Trophy hunting doesn't change this. The money ends up in the pockets of corrupt officials and nothing more. No more money gets spent on dealing with poaching because there are trophy hunters.

Trophy hunting in Africa: 'Hunt operators are conservationists first, and hunters second'

"The benefits hunters cite are disputed. The League Against Cruel Sports say less than 5% of tour fees go to the government for wildlife conservation. And trophy hunting does damage populations, say conservationists. Researchers who tagged leopards in a reserve in Kwazulu Natal in South Africa found 23 of the 26 leopards tracked between 2002 and 2005 were killed through hunting and poaching for bushmeat."

Is Trophy Hunting Helping Save African Elephants?

"


Fees from trophy hunting of elephants that are supposed to help local communities—and elephants—often don’t. "

"But a closer look at trophy hunting in Africa shows that the industry employs few people and that the money from hunt fees that trickles down to needy villagers is minimal. Government corruption can be a factor. In Zimbabwe, for instance, individuals associated with President Robert Mugabe have seized lands in lucrative hunting areas. Trophy hunting isn’t stopping poaching, especially in countries that have a poor record of protecting their wildlife."

There is definitely rampant corruption throughout Africa. The real problem are the third world savages running the place. Not much we can do about that though, other than game their own corrupt system. If we don’t, those Africans would just hunt all the animals down to extinction.

Well, the fact you call them "third world savages" shows how little you actually understand about Africa.

Why are they savages? The US is responsible for the War in Iraq and the consequential fuck up post war period that saw up to 1 million people killed, and also led to ISIS in the region.

The US is also responsible for deaths all over the place. And somehow these Africans are the savages.

The Africans are corrupt and they don't bother to hide their corruption, while the US has legitimized its corruption.

It's still corruption. So who are the savages?

I mean in South Africa they have a healthcare system for everyone. In the US they don't. Yes, South Africa's healthcare system sucks, but it's better than nothing. The top 20% in South Africa get great private healthcare, like in the US.

What's the difference?

LOL. You’re trying to blame all of Africa’s problems on Iraq? Muslims invaded Africa a thousand years ago.

Typical un-American regressive, bame the USA for all the world’s problems. If you hate America so much, move to Africa.

Did you read what I wrote?

How the hell did you get to me blaming Africans for the problems in Iraq? I didn't say that, I didn't even get close to saying that.

I didn't "bame" America for all the World's problems, just the problems the US has caused.

Who said I hate America? Oh wait, yeah. Don't agree with you, therefore I must hate America, right? Same old lame argument.
 
Simply Beautiful

I would rather see these animals alive ..they mean nothing on the wall..

.


Getting some yob to spend up to $300k to put an old one of these animals on his wall allows the species as whole to have a chance at survival.


From what I have read, they put the animal in a space and is hunted.. not giving the animal a chance to get away so wimps like Trump Jr. can feel like a man..That is not hunting it is mean.

.


They have to make sure they are killing the proper animal, the one selected by the conservation people as non-breeding or detrimental to the rest of the herd.

Sometimes they "cage" the animal in a limited space, not an actual cage.

Shooting the wrong animal can be a crime, so they have to make sure it's the right one.


The Indians lived in our area for many years, never disturbed the balance of nature and the white man comes and massive kills the buffalo almost off of the planet.

The indians respected the herds... for meat or fur.

But there is no need to play God and hunt these animals like a game.. Take a picture ..

Lets put Trump Jr.in a cage and hunt him without a weapon to fight back...

.Now Rustic, and Marty hunt their food, I believe.


They were actually quite damaging to nature, it was just that there weren't many of them. The "noble savage" myth is one of the heights of colonial fantasies, and quite frankly kind of racist.

You may want to take a picture, but the type of people who will pay $100k-$300k a permit want to shoot something.

And your "play fair" thing is simple stupidity on your part. Evolution gave us better minds, and thus the ability to make tools. Asking us to fight without them is like asking the lion to fight without it's claws and teeth.

You are rambling onto another topic, try to stay focused.
 
Okay I’ll respond but I’m getting sick of you crying to Will every time I do. You are pretty wrong as usual. If they sell the tag they say what gets shot. Alturnitive? Obama’s way? Shoot them from helicopters and leave them lay. That’s how many of the governments there do. Endangered animals aren’t legally on the list.

Dude, I don't report you, I have too much fun making fun of you.

I'm just wondering why you are so concerned with the ability of rich people to shoot animals in another country.

Here's my thought. If you have enough money to travel to Africa and shoot a lion or an elephant, we aren't taxing you enough to pay for schools and roads.
 
Getting some yob to spend up to $300k to put an old one of these animals on his wall allows the species as whole to have a chance at survival.

Or we can tax that rich asshole that $300,000 and use it to pay for schools and roads in this country.

Only Republicans sit up and worry, "Gee, I hope that the rich have the unfettered ability to slaughter rare animals most of us won't see outside of a zoo."
 
Getting some yob to spend up to $300k to put an old one of these animals on his wall allows the species as whole to have a chance at survival.

Or we can tax that rich asshole that $300,000 and use it to pay for schools and roads in this country.

Only Republicans sit up and worry, "Gee, I hope that the rich have the unfettered ability to slaughter rare animals most of us won't see outside of a zoo."

Nice job going completely off topic and getting in your "I hate people with more than me" rant.

A controlled hunt is not unfettered access. stop exaggerating.
 
The ban has been lifted on a "case by case" basis, which means the feds are probably going to make sure the Trophy hunters did everything by the book.


Trump administration quietly makes it legal to bring elephant parts to the U.S. as trophies

The decision, announced quietly in a March 1 memorandum from the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service, withdrew previous rulings on trophy hunting and said the agency would allow sport hunters to receive permits for the trophy items on a “case-by-case basis.”

Strictly regulated trophy hunting of past breeding age animals is probably the best source of income for management programs, and thusly the best chance we have to keep these animals alive as a species.

It also gives locals incentives to protect the animals from poachers.

What kind of suck fuck wants to pay big money for a guide to point out which elephant they can shoot & then kill it.

Then think they are the great white hunter & bring back it's ail?

I am so fucking glad that with NK, the slaughter of our children, weather elated disasters, the economy, & fighting for the right to fuck porn stars, that El Cheeto will take the time to decide if some rich dumbass can bring back the tail off that fierce giraffe they just shot.
 
The ban has been lifted on a "case by case" basis, which means the feds are probably going to make sure the Trophy hunters did everything by the book.


Trump administration quietly makes it legal to bring elephant parts to the U.S. as trophies

The decision, announced quietly in a March 1 memorandum from the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service, withdrew previous rulings on trophy hunting and said the agency would allow sport hunters to receive permits for the trophy items on a “case-by-case basis.”

Strictly regulated trophy hunting of past breeding age animals is probably the best source of income for management programs, and thusly the best chance we have to keep these animals alive as a species.

It also gives locals incentives to protect the animals from poachers.

What kind of suck fuck wants to pay big money for a guide to point out which elephant they can shoot & then kill it.

Then think they are the great white hunter & bring back it's ail?

I am so fucking glad that with NK, the slaughter of our children, weather elated disasters, the economy, & fighting for the right to fuck porn stars, that El Cheeto will take the time to decide if some rich dumbass can bring back the tail off that fierce giraffe they just shot.

Someone who likes to hunt, and wants to follow the rules of the hunt they just paid hundreds of thousands of dollars for.

And the rest of your rant is just typical TDS sufferer bullshit.
 
That some sicko pseudo hunter is willing to pay grotesque sums to fire his/her overpriced firearm into the unsuspecting body of a rare critter is somehow not surprising. The world is that strange. If this situation can be regulated so some poor humans benefit, at least that would be something. Apparently, though, there are people who find it passing bizarre and nauseating to see such tendencies in their fellow man, and that those poor who ought to benefit have to wait for the suffering of an animal to pass before aid is supplied. So there are protests at announcements such as this. Really, it is yet another distraction from basic problems that require attention.
 
The ban has been lifted on a "case by case" basis, which means the feds are probably going to make sure the Trophy hunters did everything by the book.


Trump administration quietly makes it legal to bring elephant parts to the U.S. as trophies

The decision, announced quietly in a March 1 memorandum from the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service, withdrew previous rulings on trophy hunting and said the agency would allow sport hunters to receive permits for the trophy items on a “case-by-case basis.”

Strictly regulated trophy hunting of past breeding age animals is probably the best source of income for management programs, and thusly the best chance we have to keep these animals alive as a species.

It also gives locals incentives to protect the animals from poachers.

What kind of suck fuck wants to pay big money for a guide to point out which elephant they can shoot & then kill it.

Then think they are the great white hunter & bring back it's ail?

I am so fucking glad that with NK, the slaughter of our children, weather elated disasters, the economy, & fighting for the right to fuck porn stars, that El Cheeto will take the time to decide if some rich dumbass can bring back the tail off that fierce giraffe they just shot.

Someone who likes to hunt, and wants to follow the rules of the hunt they just paid hundreds of thousands of dollars for.

And the rest of your rant is just typical TDS sufferer bullshit.

You posted that they only shoot the old ones or ones. How do they know which ones to shoot? Is it really hunting when a guide takes you to an animal, points at it, & tells you it is OK to shoot it?
 
The ban has been lifted on a "case by case" basis, which means the feds are probably going to make sure the Trophy hunters did everything by the book.


Trump administration quietly makes it legal to bring elephant parts to the U.S. as trophies

The decision, announced quietly in a March 1 memorandum from the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service, withdrew previous rulings on trophy hunting and said the agency would allow sport hunters to receive permits for the trophy items on a “case-by-case basis.”

Strictly regulated trophy hunting of past breeding age animals is probably the best source of income for management programs, and thusly the best chance we have to keep these animals alive as a species.

It also gives locals incentives to protect the animals from poachers.

What kind of suck fuck wants to pay big money for a guide to point out which elephant they can shoot & then kill it.

Then think they are the great white hunter & bring back it's ail?

I am so fucking glad that with NK, the slaughter of our children, weather elated disasters, the economy, & fighting for the right to fuck porn stars, that El Cheeto will take the time to decide if some rich dumbass can bring back the tail off that fierce giraffe they just shot.

Someone who likes to hunt, and wants to follow the rules of the hunt they just paid hundreds of thousands of dollars for.

And the rest of your rant is just typical TDS sufferer bullshit.

You posted that they only shoot the old ones or ones. How do they know which ones to shoot? Is it really hunting when a guide takes you to an animal, points at it, & tells you it is OK to shoot it?

Actually, yes.

Opinion | A Trophy Hunt That’s Good for Rhinos

Many wildlife groups also support the program because Namibia manages it so carefully. It chooses which individual will be hunted, and wildlife officials go along to make sure the hunter gets the right one. (So much for the romance of the Great White Hunter.) The program targets older males past their breeding prime. They’re typically belligerent individuals that have a territorial tendency to kill females and calves.
 
Nice job going completely off topic and getting in your "I hate people with more than me" rant.

A controlled hunt is not unfettered access. stop exaggerating.

Hey, here's a neat idea. I think we should take one Trailer Trash Republican with his MAGA hat, and let the rich pay money to hunt him for fun. It's a twofer. We get the revenues and we get one MAGA hat redneck out of the gene pool.
 
The ban has been lifted on a "case by case" basis, which means the feds are probably going to make sure the Trophy hunters did everything by the book.


Trump administration quietly makes it legal to bring elephant parts to the U.S. as trophies

The decision, announced quietly in a March 1 memorandum from the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service, withdrew previous rulings on trophy hunting and said the agency would allow sport hunters to receive permits for the trophy items on a “case-by-case basis.”

Strictly regulated trophy hunting of past breeding age animals is probably the best source of income for management programs, and thusly the best chance we have to keep these animals alive as a species.

It also gives locals incentives to protect the animals from poachers.
Trump has to take care of his boys
 

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