Trump Lifts Trophy hunt import ban

[Moonglow]

When you hunt and kill for food nothing is wasted, when you hunt just to kill you are wasting a gift from God....It says that thou shalt not kill and that includes animals...

 

[Moonglow]

The ban has been lifted on a "case by case" basis, which means the feds are probably going to make sure the Trophy hunters did everything by the book.


Trump administration quietly makes it legal to bring elephant parts to the U.S. as trophies

The decision, announced quietly in a March 1 memorandum from the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service, withdrew previous rulings on trophy hunting and said the agency would allow sport hunters to receive permits for the trophy items on a “case-by-case basis.”

Strictly regulated trophy hunting of past breeding age animals is probably the best source of income for management programs, and thusly the best chance we have to keep these animals alive as a species.

It also gives locals incentives to protect the animals from poachers.

Trump has to take care of his boys

Why sure that's what govt. is for-favoritism...The right loved it when Oblama did it...

 

[martybegan]

Nice job going completely off topic and getting in your "I hate people with more than me" rant.

A controlled hunt is not unfettered access. stop exaggerating.

Hey, here's a neat idea. I think we should take one Trailer Trash Republican with his MAGA hat, and let the rich pay money to hunt him for fun. It's a twofer. We get the revenues and we get one MAGA hat redneck out of the gene pool.

Advocating murder. wonderful.

 

[JoeB131]

Advocating murder. wonderful.

Hey, if you think that the rich are so much more important than the rest of us to the point where they should be able to shoot endangered animals for fun... why not shoot a useless animal for fun?

 

[Tijn Von Ingersleben]

Good call POTUS. The funds raised through these hunts is used to fund many programs in Africa. The most important of which are game wardens. There are real, positive results that have come from permitting these hunts.

"As demand for land increases with swelling human populations, some conservationists are arguing that they can garner more effective results by working with hunters and taking a hand in regulating the industry.

Sport hunting can be sustainable if carefully managed, said Peter Lindsey, a conservation biologist with the University of Zimbabwe in Harare, who led the recent study.

"Trophy hunting is of key importance to conservation in Africa by creating [financial] incentives to promote and retain wildlife as a land use over vast areas," he said."
Trophy Hunting Can Help African Conservation, Study Says

 

[martybegan]

Advocating murder. wonderful.

Hey, if you think that the rich are so much more important than the rest of us to the point where they should be able to shoot endangered animals for fun... why not shoot a useless animal for fun?

Still advocating murder. You really are a miserable bastard.

And the purpose of allowing those :"useless" people to shoot the animals is conservation of the herd as a whole and the species as a whole. They use the $$ to fund more conservation, and they select which animal will die to cull the older animals that are past breeding age and thus not adding anything anymore to the survival of the herd and the species.

They get some yabo to plunk up to $350k on a permit to off an animal that's going to die soon anyway, and it helps preserve the rest of them.

I don't see the downside here.

 

[MrShangles]

Advocating murder. wonderful.

Hey, if you think that the rich are so much more important than the rest of us to the point where they should be able to shoot endangered animals for fun... why not shoot a useless animal for fun?

Still advocating murder. You really are a miserable bastard.

And the purpose of allowing those :"useless" people to shoot the animals is conservation of the herd as a whole and the species as a whole. They use the $$ to fund more conservation, and they select which animal will die to cull the older animals that are past breeding age and thus not adding anything anymore to the survival of the herd and the species.

They get some yabo to plunk up to $350k on a permit to off an animal that's going to die soon anyway, and it helps preserve the rest of them.

I don't see the downside here.

I have always hunted for food, but some of my friends like to put a nice trophy on the wall, I’ve never seen a sick dying animal on anyones wall.
Sorry but that explanation just doesn’t cut it, and I’ve got trophies on my wall also, I never waited for that sick old animal, it’s always the most healthy dominate animal around.


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[martybegan]

Advocating murder. wonderful.

Hey, if you think that the rich are so much more important than the rest of us to the point where they should be able to shoot endangered animals for fun... why not shoot a useless animal for fun?

Still advocating murder. You really are a miserable bastard.

And the purpose of allowing those :"useless" people to shoot the animals is conservation of the herd as a whole and the species as a whole. They use the $$ to fund more conservation, and they select which animal will die to cull the older animals that are past breeding age and thus not adding anything anymore to the survival of the herd and the species.

They get some yabo to plunk up to $350k on a permit to off an animal that's going to die soon anyway, and it helps preserve the rest of them.

I don't see the downside here.

I have always hunted for food, but some of my friends like to put a nice trophy on the wall, I’ve never seen a sick dying animal on anyones wall.
Sorry but that explanation just doesn’t cut it, and I’ve got trophies on my wall also, I never waited for that sick old animal, it’s always the most healthy dominate animal around.


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For the hunts in most countries in Africa when you are gunning for an endangered specie, they decide which animal you get to kill, and they usually choose problem animals that are either past breeding age, or males that are not breeding but at the same time stopping others from breeding via fighting.

It's the scarcity that drives these guys to pay $50k to $350k for a legal permit to kill the animal chosen by the conservation groups running the preserves.

It's not like hunting deer or even black bear, where in the US we have plenty of both and the permits given out are for a specific area and gender.

 

[Correll]

When you hunt and kill for food nothing is wasted, when you hunt just to kill you are wasting a gift from God....It says that thou shalt not kill and that includes animals...

NO, it doesn't.

 

[JoeB131]

And the purpose of allowing those :"useless" people to shoot the animals is conservation of the herd as a whole and the species as a whole. They use the $$ to fund more conservation, and they select which animal will die to cull the older animals that are past breeding age and thus not adding anything anymore to the survival of the herd and the species.

Guy we can conserve the animals without killing them. It might even be a good thing. Considering many of these animals are on the verge of extinction to start with, killing them isnt' a good idea.

Shooting rednecks, well, they aren't going extinct anytime soon, and heck, no one would miss them if they did.

It's the scarcity that drives these guys to pay $50k to $350k for a legal permit to kill the animal chosen by the conservation groups running the preserves.

Or we could just make the MF's pay their fair share and use that money for habitat preservation without killing any animals...

Naw, only in Marty's World do you worry rich people can't remind us how much more important they are than the rest of us.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

Trying to control animal populations is as dumb as trying to control the climate.

 

[martybegan]

And the purpose of allowing those :"useless" people to shoot the animals is conservation of the herd as a whole and the species as a whole. They use the $$ to fund more conservation, and they select which animal will die to cull the older animals that are past breeding age and thus not adding anything anymore to the survival of the herd and the species.

Guy we can conserve the animals without killing them. It might even be a good thing. Considering many of these animals are on the verge of extinction to start with, killing them isnt' a good idea.

Shooting rednecks, well, they aren't going extinct anytime soon, and heck, no one would miss them if they did.

It's the scarcity that drives these guys to pay $50k to $350k for a legal permit to kill the animal chosen by the conservation groups running the preserves.

Or we could just make the MF's pay their fair share and use that money for habitat preservation without killing any animals...

Naw, only in Marty's World do you worry rich people can't remind us how much more important they are than the rest of us.

Letting some guy kill a past its prime member of the herd for hundreds of thousands of dollars allows them to keep the rest of the herd protected.

In Joe's world he wishes he was a fucking dictator and makes people live his way OR ELSE.

It all boils down to envy for you, you hate anyone with more than you because of your own sad, pathetic life.

 

[JoeB131]

Trying to control animal populations is as dumb as trying to control the climate.

Really? We brought the Bald Eagle back from near extinction. We did the same with alligators.

Letting some guy kill a past its prime member of the herd for hundreds of thousands of dollars allows them to keep the rest of the herd protected.

In Joe's world he wishes he was a fucking dictator and makes people live his way OR ELSE.

It all boils down to envy for you, you hate anyone with more than you because of your own sad, pathetic life.

Again, you are the one who is SOOOOOO concerned that rich people are able to slaughter animals for fun. I mean, it would be funny, it's the kind of Right Wing Stockholm battered wife syndrome that amuses me.

We could also just tax the rich assholes and then protect the herd that way.. that works.

 

[martybegan]

Trying to control animal populations is as dumb as trying to control the climate.

Really? We brought the Bald Eagle back from near extinction. We did the same with alligators.

Letting some guy kill a past its prime member of the herd for hundreds of thousands of dollars allows them to keep the rest of the herd protected.

In Joe's world he wishes he was a fucking dictator and makes people live his way OR ELSE.

It all boils down to envy for you, you hate anyone with more than you because of your own sad, pathetic life.

Again, you are the one who is SOOOOOO concerned that rich people are able to slaughter animals for fun. I mean, it would be funny, it's the kind of Right Wing Stockholm battered wife syndrome that amuses me.

We could also just tax the rich assholes and then protect the herd that way.. that works.

That's here. Africa is different.

I am not that concerned, it's just I don't care if other people have fun different than I have fun.

Again with the envy from you, you poor tired little man.

 

[MrShangles]

And the purpose of allowing those :"useless" people to shoot the animals is conservation of the herd as a whole and the species as a whole. They use the $$ to fund more conservation, and they select which animal will die to cull the older animals that are past breeding age and thus not adding anything anymore to the survival of the herd and the species.

Guy we can conserve the animals without killing them. It might even be a good thing. Considering many of these animals are on the verge of extinction to start with, killing them isnt' a good idea.

Shooting rednecks, well, they aren't going extinct anytime soon, and heck, no one would miss them if they did.

It's the scarcity that drives these guys to pay $50k to $350k for a legal permit to kill the animal chosen by the conservation groups running the preserves.

Or we could just make the MF's pay their fair share and use that money for habitat preservation without killing any animals...

Naw, only in Marty's World do you worry rich people can't remind us how much more important they are than the rest of us.

Why you want to shoot red necks, red necks aren’t the ones paying $300K to shoot animals for trophies, we shoot them to eat.


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[Coyote]

The Liberal outrage against trophy hunting is as usual, misguided and ill-informed. Without trophy hunting in Africa, all you would have is poaching with little resources to fight back. With trophy hunting you have millions of dollars being put into Wildlife conservancy through donations and the permit fees. The meat from the trophy hunt is usually donated to local tribes who dearly need the meat.

In Africa you have poaching with little resources to fight back.

Trophy hunting doesn't change this. The money ends up in the pockets of corrupt officials and nothing more. No more money gets spent on dealing with poaching because there are trophy hunters.

Trophy hunting in Africa: 'Hunt operators are conservationists first, and hunters second'

"The benefits hunters cite are disputed. The League Against Cruel Sports say less than 5% of tour fees go to the government for wildlife conservation. And trophy hunting does damage populations, say conservationists. Researchers who tagged leopards in a reserve in Kwazulu Natal in South Africa found 23 of the 26 leopards tracked between 2002 and 2005 were killed through hunting and poaching for bushmeat."

Is Trophy Hunting Helping Save African Elephants?

"


Fees from trophy hunting of elephants that are supposed to help local communities—and elephants—often don’t. "

"But a closer look at trophy hunting in Africa shows that the industry employs few people and that the money from hunt fees that trickles down to needy villagers is minimal. Government corruption can be a factor. In Zimbabwe, for instance, individuals associated with President Robert Mugabe have seized lands in lucrative hunting areas. Trophy hunting isn’t stopping poaching, especially in countries that have a poor record of protecting their wildlife."

for once in my life I agree with frigidguy.........

And I agree with Skook.

 

[Coyote]

The Liberal outrage against trophy hunting is as usual, misguided and ill-informed. Without trophy hunting in Africa, all you would have is poaching with little resources to fight back. With trophy hunting you have millions of dollars being put into Wildlife conservancy through donations and the permit fees. The meat from the trophy hunt is usually donated to local tribes who dearly need the meat.

Wrong. With wildlife tourism, each animal gets "used" over and over. It gets killed only once. Waste of natural resources.

The Liberal outrage against trophy hunting is as usual, misguided and ill-informed. Without trophy hunting in Africa, all you would have is poaching with little resources to fight back. With trophy hunting you have millions of dollars being put into Wildlife conservancy through donations and the permit fees. The meat from the trophy hunt is usually donated to local tribes who dearly need the meat.

And by culling the older non-breeding animals you allow the younger ones more space, more food and more opportunity to breed.

To me I think the biggest thing people against this forget is that in the wild a natural death is usually not pleasant. Animals don't just doze off and die in their sleep. They either slow down enough for predators and/or scavengers to take them out, or they become unable to move and slowly starve or die of thirst, unless some scavengers or predators come along and then they die from option 1.

That's the opposite of "trophy hunting". When was the last time you saw a write up about a hunter killing old or sick animals? FACT is, trophy hunters want the youngest, biggest and so on. That's the whole point of trophy hunting - the dead animal makes up for the lack of balls on the "hunter".

"Hunter" in quotes because there's usually very little "hunting" involved.

Gotta congratulate you on your idea that since dying in nature is unpleasant, we should just shoot them. That's about as lame as it gets.

The Liberal outrage against trophy hunting is as usual, misguided and ill-informed. Without trophy hunting in Africa, all you would have is poaching with little resources to fight back. With trophy hunting you have millions of dollars being put into Wildlife conservancy through donations and the permit fees. The meat from the trophy hunt is usually donated to local tribes who dearly need the meat.

In Africa you have poaching with little resources to fight back.

Trophy hunting doesn't change this. The money ends up in the pockets of corrupt officials and nothing more. No more money gets spent on dealing with poaching because there are trophy hunters.

Trophy hunting in Africa: 'Hunt operators are conservationists first, and hunters second'

"The benefits hunters cite are disputed. The League Against Cruel Sports say less than 5% of tour fees go to the government for wildlife conservation. And trophy hunting does damage populations, say conservationists. Researchers who tagged leopards in a reserve in Kwazulu Natal in South Africa found 23 of the 26 leopards tracked between 2002 and 2005 were killed through hunting and poaching for bushmeat."

Is Trophy Hunting Helping Save African Elephants?

"


Fees from trophy hunting of elephants that are supposed to help local communities—and elephants—often don’t. "

"But a closer look at trophy hunting in Africa shows that the industry employs few people and that the money from hunt fees that trickles down to needy villagers is minimal. Government corruption can be a factor. In Zimbabwe, for instance, individuals associated with President Robert Mugabe have seized lands in lucrative hunting areas. Trophy hunting isn’t stopping poaching, especially in countries that have a poor record of protecting their wildlife."

Exactly true.

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Donnie Two Scoops did this for one reason - so Little DonDon could bring dead heads home with him.

And they pay far less for the privilege to just take pictures.

And how many photographers want to take pictures of older animals at the end of their life?

Legal trophy hunters only get to kill animals designated by the regulatory organization setting up the hunts. The conservation people pick the older non-breeding animals.

And considering they can't hunt these animals normally, getting to bag an older one is something they have to settle for. And they do settle for it, and pay lots of money for it.

The older ones are the ones who pass knowledge down to the others.

You are doing the herd no favors killing them. It is not about breeding it is about a highly intelligent socially organized family oriented complex animal that actually grieves when one of them is killed.

All I can say is expletives for those who want to hang their body parts on the wall. It is no different then murder.

It's Time to Accept That Elephants, Like Us, Are Empathetic Beings

Elephants pass test with ‘profound implications’ for their intelligence

 

[Coyote]

Trying to control animal populations is as dumb as trying to control the climate.

Really? We brought the Bald Eagle back from near extinction. We did the same with alligators.

Letting some guy kill a past its prime member of the herd for hundreds of thousands of dollars allows them to keep the rest of the herd protected.

In Joe's world he wishes he was a fucking dictator and makes people live his way OR ELSE.

It all boils down to envy for you, you hate anyone with more than you because of your own sad, pathetic life.

Again, you are the one who is SOOOOOO concerned that rich people are able to slaughter animals for fun. I mean, it would be funny, it's the kind of Right Wing Stockholm battered wife syndrome that amuses me.

We could also just tax the rich assholes and then protect the herd that way.. that works.

That's here. Africa is different.

I am not that concerned, it's just I don't care if other people have fun different than I have fun.

Again with the envy from you, you poor tired little man.

Can they have fun shooting people then?

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

Trying to control animal populations is as dumb as trying to control the climate.

Really? We brought the Bald Eagle back from near extinction. We did the same with alligators.

Letting some guy kill a past its prime member of the herd for hundreds of thousands of dollars allows them to keep the rest of the herd protected.

In Joe's world he wishes he was a fucking dictator and makes people live his way OR ELSE.

It all boils down to envy for you, you hate anyone with more than you because of your own sad, pathetic life.

Again, you are the one who is SOOOOOO concerned that rich people are able to slaughter animals for fun. I mean, it would be funny, it's the kind of Right Wing Stockholm battered wife syndrome that amuses me.

We could also just tax the rich assholes and then protect the herd that way.. that works.

Trophy hunting is based on one of your lauded "conservation" programs yet here you are crying about it???

 

[martybegan]

The Liberal outrage against trophy hunting is as usual, misguided and ill-informed. Without trophy hunting in Africa, all you would have is poaching with little resources to fight back. With trophy hunting you have millions of dollars being put into Wildlife conservancy through donations and the permit fees. The meat from the trophy hunt is usually donated to local tribes who dearly need the meat.

Wrong. With wildlife tourism, each animal gets "used" over and over. It gets killed only once. Waste of natural resources.

The Liberal outrage against trophy hunting is as usual, misguided and ill-informed. Without trophy hunting in Africa, all you would have is poaching with little resources to fight back. With trophy hunting you have millions of dollars being put into Wildlife conservancy through donations and the permit fees. The meat from the trophy hunt is usually donated to local tribes who dearly need the meat.

And by culling the older non-breeding animals you allow the younger ones more space, more food and more opportunity to breed.

To me I think the biggest thing people against this forget is that in the wild a natural death is usually not pleasant. Animals don't just doze off and die in their sleep. They either slow down enough for predators and/or scavengers to take them out, or they become unable to move and slowly starve or die of thirst, unless some scavengers or predators come along and then they die from option 1.

That's the opposite of "trophy hunting". When was the last time you saw a write up about a hunter killing old or sick animals? FACT is, trophy hunters want the youngest, biggest and so on. That's the whole point of trophy hunting - the dead animal makes up for the lack of balls on the "hunter".

"Hunter" in quotes because there's usually very little "hunting" involved.

Gotta congratulate you on your idea that since dying in nature is unpleasant, we should just shoot them. That's about as lame as it gets.

The Liberal outrage against trophy hunting is as usual, misguided and ill-informed. Without trophy hunting in Africa, all you would have is poaching with little resources to fight back. With trophy hunting you have millions of dollars being put into Wildlife conservancy through donations and the permit fees. The meat from the trophy hunt is usually donated to local tribes who dearly need the meat.

In Africa you have poaching with little resources to fight back.

Trophy hunting doesn't change this. The money ends up in the pockets of corrupt officials and nothing more. No more money gets spent on dealing with poaching because there are trophy hunters.

Trophy hunting in Africa: 'Hunt operators are conservationists first, and hunters second'

"The benefits hunters cite are disputed. The League Against Cruel Sports say less than 5% of tour fees go to the government for wildlife conservation. And trophy hunting does damage populations, say conservationists. Researchers who tagged leopards in a reserve in Kwazulu Natal in South Africa found 23 of the 26 leopards tracked between 2002 and 2005 were killed through hunting and poaching for bushmeat."

Is Trophy Hunting Helping Save African Elephants?

"


Fees from trophy hunting of elephants that are supposed to help local communities—and elephants—often don’t. "

"But a closer look at trophy hunting in Africa shows that the industry employs few people and that the money from hunt fees that trickles down to needy villagers is minimal. Government corruption can be a factor. In Zimbabwe, for instance, individuals associated with President Robert Mugabe have seized lands in lucrative hunting areas. Trophy hunting isn’t stopping poaching, especially in countries that have a poor record of protecting their wildlife."

Exactly true.

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Donnie Two Scoops did this for one reason - so Little DonDon could bring dead heads home with him.

And they pay far less for the privilege to just take pictures.

And how many photographers want to take pictures of older animals at the end of their life?

Legal trophy hunters only get to kill animals designated by the regulatory organization setting up the hunts. The conservation people pick the older non-breeding animals.

And considering they can't hunt these animals normally, getting to bag an older one is something they have to settle for. And they do settle for it, and pay lots of money for it.

The older ones are the ones who pass knowledge down to the others.

You are doing the herd no favors killing them. It is not about breeding it is about a highly intelligent socially organized family oriented complex animal that actually grieves when one of them is killed.

All I can say is expletives for those who want to hang their body parts on the wall. It is no different then murder.

It's Time to Accept That Elephants, Like Us, Are Empathetic Beings

Elephants pass test with ‘profound implications’ for their intelligence

in the case of some Rhino's the older ones are the ones that cockblock the younger ones from breeding.

Stop anthropomorphizing animals. They are animals, not people.

It is 100% different than murder. Animals kill other animals, people kill other animals.