Trump is expected to recognize Jerusalem as Israel's capital and move the US embassy

[Jroc]

RE: Trump is expected to recognize Jerusalem as Israel's capital and move the US embassy
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

That may be true as your legal fallacy. But the actual reality who controls East Jerusalem --- and in what manner it is maintained in reality.

All this over nothing. Jerusalem is still occupied territory. Nothing Trump says can change that.

(COMMENT)

In the recognition of "sovereignty" -- and the international community --- (without prejudiced or regards to) --- use the normal functions of government in Jerusalem as provided for by the Israel Government. The recognition of a East Jerusalem as sovereign Israeli territory may be implied though not plainly expressed --- or --- understood without being stated.

Jerusalem, and foreigners. The crossing point is open Sunday-Thursday 07:30-24:00, Friday 07:30-15:00, and Saturday 07:30-15:00. Border control services are provided during the hours of the crossing point's activity. During Moslem holidays and for those who are traveling to Mecca the crossing point is open 24 hours a day.

Source: Ministry of Interior, Population Immigration and Border Authority
Rules of conduct at the various border crossing points.

If you are entering Jerusalem and you are at a border control point, → where you are asked by the Israeli order Police to produce your identity papers (usually the Passport), what can you infer from that?

You may not like it; but the reality is that you use and obey Israeli authority while in East Jerusalem. That is tacit recognition of Israeli authority.

Most Respectfully,
R

So, you are back to "those who have the guns have the rights?"

Those who have the brains more like it ..The Jews were way out gunned 1967... The Arabs were stupid and over confident

 

[P F Tinmore]

RE: Trump is expected to recognize Jerusalem as Israel's capital and move the US embassy
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

There are about fourth-fifths of the worlds nations that have anything like the firepower of the current day Allied Powers and the significant political adversaries.

So, you are back to "those who have the guns have the rights?"

(COMMENT)

BUT! The current day Allied Powers and the significant political adversaries do not go around just picking-off whatever countries they want. It is not about firepower.

In the case of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, the Arab Palestinians, with one exception) made no attempt to become involved in the programs designed to development of self-governing institutions. And each time they refuse to participate, they lose something for their non-participation.

The Arab Palestinians have a chaotic leadership.

Most Respectfully,
R

Indeed, the Palestinians did not want to legitimize the settler colonial project.

 

[Hollie]

RE: Trump is expected to recognize Jerusalem as Israel's capital and move the US embassy
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

There are about fourth-fifths of the worlds nations that have anything like the firepower of the current day Allied Powers and the significant political adversaries.

So, you are back to "those who have the guns have the rights?"

(COMMENT)

BUT! The current day Allied Powers and the significant political adversaries do not go around just picking-off whatever countries they want. It is not about firepower.

In the case of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, the Arab Palestinians, with one exception) made no attempt to become involved in the programs designed to development of self-governing institutions. And each time they refuse to participate, they lose something for their non-participation.

The Arab Palestinians have a chaotic leadership.

Most Respectfully,
R

Indeed, the Palestinians did not want to legitimize the settler colonial project.

Indeed. That is because Arabs-Moslems masquerading as Pal'istanians are a settler colonial project.

 

[Sixties Fan]

Hamas has announced that President Trump’s recognition of Jerusalem as the capital of Israel has opened the “gates of hell.” Its Muslim Brotherhood parent has declared America an “enemy state.”



The Arab League boss warned that the Jerusalem move “will fuel extremism and result in violence.” The Jordanian Foreign Minister claimed that it would “trigger anger” and “fuel tension.”

“Moderate” Muslim leaders excel at threatening violence on behalf of the “extremists”.

The Organization of Islamic Cooperation (OIC) warned that recognizing Jerusalem will trigger an Islamic summit and be considered a "blatant attack on the Arab and Islamic nations."

The last time the OIC was this mad, someone drew Mohammed. And wasn’t stoned to death for it.

According to the Saudi ambassador, it will “heighten tensions”. The Deputy Prime Minister of Islamist Turkey called it a “major catastrophe”. And the leader of the largest Muslim country in Europe, France's Emmanuel Macron "expressed concern" that America will “unilaterally recognize Jerusalem."

PLO leaders and minions meanwhile made it quite clear that now the dead peace process is truly dead.

The Palestinian Authority’s boss warned that recognizing Jerusalem will “destroy the peace process”. The PLO’s envoy in D.C. threatened that it would be the “final lethal blow” and “the kiss of death to the two-state solution”. A top PA advisor claimed it “will end any chance of a peace process.”

A day later, the peace process is still as alive and as dead as it ever was.

Since the chance of a peace process is about the same as being hit by lightning while scoring a Royal Flush, that “chance” doesn’t amount to anything. The peace process has been deader than Dracula for ages. And even a PLO terrorist should know that you can’t threaten to kill a dead hostage.

(full article online)

Sultan Knish: What the War Over Jerusalem is Really About

 

[Sixties Fan]

Media report card, one week after Jerusalem announcement (Daled Amos) ~ Elder Of Ziyon - Israel News

 

[RoccoR]

RE: Trump is expected to recognize Jerusalem as Israel's capital and move the US embassy
※→ Sixties Fan, et al,

Great Article. Great Posting!

Media report card, one week after Jerusalem announcement (Daled Amos) ~ Elder Of Ziyon - Israel News

(COMMENT)

I think it is well worth a reading; even if you disagree..

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[abi]

RE: Trump is expected to recognize Jerusalem as Israel's capital and move the US embassy
※→ Sixties Fan, et al,

Great Article. Great Posting!

Media report card, one week after Jerusalem announcement (Daled Amos) ~ Elder Of Ziyon - Israel News

(COMMENT)

I think it is well worth a reading; even if you disagree..

Most Respectfully,
R

"Great Article?"

An obvious propaganda piece from Elder Of Ziyon - Israel News

You suck up the propaganda faster than you can spit it out here. No wonder you post as you do. Try learning some real history.

 

[Sixties Fan]

RE: Trump is expected to recognize Jerusalem as Israel's capital and move the US embassy
※→ Sixties Fan, et al,

Great Article. Great Posting!

Media report card, one week after Jerusalem announcement (Daled Amos) ~ Elder Of Ziyon - Israel News

(COMMENT)

I think it is well worth a reading; even if you disagree..

Most Respectfully,
R

"Great Article?"

An obvious propaganda piece from Elder Of Ziyon - Israel News

You suck up the propaganda faster than you can spit it out here. No wonder you post as you do. Try learning some real history.

How many seconds have you spent researching what the article says before realizing that it was nothing but propaganda?

Give us an idea and the sources for your conclusion.

 

[Sixties Fan]

After US President Donald Trump decided to recognize Jerusalem as Israel's capital, the New York Times decided to explain to its readers just what the Jerusalem issue is all about. Unfortunately The Jerusalem Issue, Explained by Max Fisher exposed once again the Times' own bias and ignorance when it comes to Israel.

Fisher gets it wrong right from the start:

Both Israelis and Palestinians claim the city as their political capital and as a sacred religious site. Israel controls the entirety of the city. Any peace deal would need to resolve that.

The city's status has been disputed, at least officially, since the 1948 Arab-Israeli War. Before that, the United Nations had designated Jerusalem as a special international zone. During the war, Israel seized the city's western half. It seized the eastern half during the next Arab-Israeli war, in 1967.
Did the United Nations designate Jerusalem as "a special international zone." No it did not. Instead the United Nations General Assembly passed in 1947 UNGA Res. 181, the so-called "partition resolution," which called for the creation of a Jewish and an Arab state out of the territory of the British-run Palestine Mandate. According to that resolution Jerusalem and its environs would be a "corpus separatum" under UN trusteeship for up to 10 years, after which the residents would decide its fate by referendum.

But as a General Assembly resolution it couldn't "designate" or determine anything, it could only suggest. The Israelis accepted the resolution, while all the Arab states denounced it, voted against it, and vowed to destroy Israel the moment the British left.

(full article online)

CAMERA: The NY Times "Explains" Jerusalem – and its Mistakes Explain Much

 

[Jroc]

.” Its Muslim Brotherhood parent has declared America an “enemy state.”

So nothing has changed then

 

[Sixties Fan]

• The Palestinians do not want peace. They want victory, a victory that will lead to the elimination of Israel and the expulsion of the Jews.
  
  
• The 1968 charter of the PLO has never been changed, despite decades of promises that it would be modified. Although secular in character, it advances much the same attitudes as those found in the Hamas charters. In Article 2, for example, it defines "Palestine" in boundaries encompassing the entirety of Israel: "Palestine, with the boundaries it had during the British Mandate, is an indivisible territorial unit". This means that calls for a Palestinian state based on that definition are also calls for the destruction of Israel.
  
  
• All attempts at normalization between Palestinians and Israelis or between other Arab states and Israel are routinely dismissed as treachery, a position that endangers the lives of any Palestinian who seeks peace.
  
  
• Meanwhile, Western leaders, including religious figures such as the Pope, are enchanted with the fantasy that a peace process exists, and forever chant the mantra that nothing must be done to interrupt it. President Trump's decision to recognize Jerusalem as the capital of Israel is the first time any world leader has stood up to the threats of anger and violence.
  
  (full article online)
  
  The US Embassy Move to Jerusalem vs. The "Peace Process"

 

[fanger]

The people of the world are waking up despite the fact that most mainstream
media is now "managed" to give that Zionist message of danger from Iran,
Hizballah etc, while ignoring war crimes and crimes against humanity being
perpetuated daily by Israel and its puppets like Mohammad Bin Salman. What
media is not managed, is blocked in most of the Arab world run by those
dictators. The mainstream media is complicit in ensuring people are not
aware of what is going on. Imagine if a Muslim sniper shot an American or a
Jewish double amputee who lost his legs to another Muslim attack years
earlier? How would the media have reacted. How would the media react if a
dictator who is not friendly to the US was doing what he and his senile
father were doing now. They just arrested the rich guys in their country
and even visiting rich guys from other countries (like Hariri from Lebanon
and Sabeeh Amasri from Jordan) and are stripping them of heir wealth! They
are beheading any opposition.
December 18, 2017 "Information Clearing House" -

 

[fanger]

After Trump’s Jerusalem announcement, U.S. mainstream media outlets in particular focused on forecasts of violent reactions from Palestinians, portraying them as angry and aggressive people, while providing no context on how Trump’s move has validated Israel’s repressive rule of Palestinians.

Those dire media warnings also failed to mention that Palestinian protest is often met with deadly violence from Israeli state forces – and this time was no exception.

Palestinians responded to the announcement by declaring a general strike, which was observed by many businesses and schools. Shops were shuttered, and the area around the usually bustling Damascus Gate fell quiet. The lights on the Christmas trees in Bethlehem and Ramallah were switched off in a sign of mourning, and both nationalist and Islamist Palestinian leaders called for days of rage. Thousands of Palestinians took to the streets across East Jerusalem, the West Bank, and Gaza, as did hundreds of Palestinians citizens of Israel, residents of the Wadi Ara region in the north.

Israeli forces mobilized a crackdown on the sporadic, spontaneous protests, suppressing them using skunk water, teargas, live rounds, and rubber bullets. In Gaza, Israel also launched airstrikes. At least eight Palestinianshave been killed, hundreds injured, and dozens of people detained.
Trump’s Jerusalem Announcement Sparked Deadly Violence — From Israel

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

After Trump’s Jerusalem announcement, U.S. mainstream media outlets in particular focused on forecasts of violent reactions from Palestinians, portraying them as angry and aggressive people, while providing no context on how Trump’s move has validated Israel’s repressive rule of Palestinians.

Those dire media warnings also failed to mention that Palestinian protest is often met with deadly violence from Israeli state forces – and this time was no exception.

Palestinians responded to the announcement by declaring a general strike, which was observed by many businesses and schools. Shops were shuttered, and the area around the usually bustling Damascus Gate fell quiet. The lights on the Christmas trees in Bethlehem and Ramallah were switched off in a sign of mourning, and both nationalist and Islamist Palestinian leaders called for days of rage. Thousands of Palestinians took to the streets across East Jerusalem, the West Bank, and Gaza, as did hundreds of Palestinians citizens of Israel, residents of the Wadi Ara region in the north.

Israeli forces mobilized a crackdown on the sporadic, spontaneous protests, suppressing them using skunk water, teargas, live rounds, and rubber bullets. In Gaza, Israel also launched airstrikes. At least eight Palestinianshave been killed, hundreds injured, and dozens of people detained.
Trump’s Jerusalem Announcement Sparked Deadly Violence — From Israel

U.S. mainstream media outlets in particular focused on forecasts of violent reactions from Palestinians, portraying them as angry and aggressive people

Only because they're angry and aggressive....when they aren't busy being terrorists.

nationalist and Islamist Palestinian leaders called for days of rage.

That's what angry and aggressive people do.

 

[fanger]

One of the Palestinian casualties is Ibrahim Abu Thuraya, 29, a double amputee who lost his legs in an Israeli airstrike in 2008. A former fisherman, Thuraya, who used a wheelchair, was shot in the head by Israeli soldiers while protesting Trump’s Jerusalem decision near the Gaza Strip border on Friday.

 

[fncceo]

Israeli forces mobilized a crackdown on the sporadic, spontaneous protests, suppressing them using skunk water, teargas, live rounds, and rubber bullets. In Gaza, Israel also launched airstrikes. At least eight Palestinianshave been killed, hundreds injured, and dozens of people detained.

Stop trying to cheer me up.

 

[fanger]

those Lingerie pics would cheer anyone up

 

[Linkiloo]

One of the Palestinian casualties is Ibrahim Abu Thuraya, 29, a double amputee who lost his legs in an Israeli airstrike in 2008. A former fisherman, Thuraya, who used a wheelchair, was shot in the head by Israeli soldiers while protesting Trump’s Jerusalem decision near the Gaza Strip border on Friday.

So a guy in a wheelchair and a double amputee in a wheelchair were out protesting and got hit again. I'm not sure about you but that sounds like lightening striking in the same place twice. A teeny weeny bit far fetched even for pallywood.

 

[Linkiloo]

Hamas has announced that President Trump’s recognition of Jerusalem as the capital of Israel has opened the “gates of hell.” Its Muslim Brotherhood parent has declared America an “enemy state.”



The Arab League boss warned that the Jerusalem move “will fuel extremism and result in violence.” The Jordanian Foreign Minister claimed that it would “trigger anger” and “fuel tension.”

“Moderate” Muslim leaders excel at threatening violence on behalf of the “extremists”.

The Organization of Islamic Cooperation (OIC) warned that recognizing Jerusalem will trigger an Islamic summit and be considered a "blatant attack on the Arab and Islamic nations."

The last time the OIC was this mad, someone drew Mohammed. And wasn’t stoned to death for it.

According to the Saudi ambassador, it will “heighten tensions”. The Deputy Prime Minister of Islamist Turkey called it a “major catastrophe”. And the leader of the largest Muslim country in Europe, France's Emmanuel Macron "expressed concern" that America will “unilaterally recognize Jerusalem."

PLO leaders and minions meanwhile made it quite clear that now the dead peace process is truly dead.

The Palestinian Authority’s boss warned that recognizing Jerusalem will “destroy the peace process”. The PLO’s envoy in D.C. threatened that it would be the “final lethal blow” and “the kiss of death to the two-state solution”. A top PA advisor claimed it “will end any chance of a peace process.”

A day later, the peace process is still as alive and as dead as it ever was.

Since the chance of a peace process is about the same as being hit by lightning while scoring a Royal Flush, that “chance” doesn’t amount to anything. The peace process has been deader than Dracula for ages. And even a PLO terrorist should know that you can’t threaten to kill a dead hostage.

(full article online)

Sultan Knish: What the War Over Jerusalem is Really About

These lovers of peace are apparently falsely reported in the press. Just can't figure out how that happens

 

[fanger]

After decades of flagrant US bias towards Israel, Trump has confirmed to Palestinians only what they already knew. Some even grudgingly welcomed his candour. They hope he has finally silenced US claims to being an “honest broker” in an interminable “peace process” that has simply bought time for Israel to entrench the occupation.
To add insult to injury, and in contravention of claims that Washington will not pre-determine the borders of a divided Jerusalem before peace talks, an unnamed senior US official gave Pence’s visit an even more troubling context. He noted that there was no scenario in which the US did not see the Western Wall ending up in Israel’s hands.

The US policy change on Jerusalem has been a hammer blow to the three main pillars supporting the cause of Palestinian statehood: the Palestinian Authority, the European Union and the Arab states.

The biggest loser is Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas. Washington stripped him of his emperor’s clothes: he now heads a Palestinian government-in-waiting that is unlikely ever to be attached to a state, viable or otherwise.

The Arab states, which assumed they were the key to a much-touted “outside-in” strategy, creating a regional framework for peace, have been deprived of the single issue – Jerusalem – that matters most to them.
Team Trump add insult to injury for the Palestinians