Trump, Fiorina, Rubio and Carson

[rightwinger]

The Republicans have not elected a President without a Bush or Nixon on the ticket since 1928

 

[NightFox]

Obama's candidacy was completely unpredicted.

Yeah that's why he gave a keynote address at the 2004 Democratic National Convention... the party elites were test marketing him to see if was short list material.

He ran a great ground game and used modern technology for funding.

Which doesn't make a hill of beans if the party bosses and big money donors don't support a candidate, sorry to burst your bubble but he wasn't this out of nowhere, unknown that defied the odds to win, he was on the party elites short list long before the nomination process ever began.

Who were the last Republican candidates?

With the exception of Ronald Reagan, all of them were the "next in line"..

What's the difference? so the Republican Party elites telegraphed their short list earlier than the Democratic Party elites telegraphed theirs, big deal, same process, different timing.

Just don't tell me that you believe that we still operate in a "Democracy", where your "opinions matter" ... might as well still believe in Santa Claus if you believe that.

 

[NoTeaPartyPleez]

Fiorina will fade away, I have little doubt about that.

Yikes are doing that "War on Women" Thing Pete ?

She couldn't even beat Boxer...

The other problem she will have is that she stiffed her campaign staff for 6 years and didn't pay them till she decided to go for POTUS.

If she somehow comes up with a good excuse I'd like to hear it, but until that time I'll never support her and I doubt many working people will.

And the video of the press asking her about waiting until this year to pay those staffers was pretty telling. She just said WaPo had no credibility. And kept walking. She's a total bitch on wheels, stiffing the widow of one of her manager's after the guy died suddenly while on the job. When the campaign cranks up, you can be sure the other GOP contenders are going to use that in their ads.

 

[imawhosure]

There's little doubt that the 4 names mentioned in the thread's title will be winning the nomination in the first half-dozen or so primaries next year.

O'rly?

December 2007. Look who is on the bottom:

That graph points to a common trend among Republicans. Their initial responses in a campaign are of the "I'm mad as hell, I want someone new" variety

That is how we get candidates like Palin, Bachmann, Cain or Gingrich polling well in 2012 and see Trump, Carson and Fiorina polling well today

Once the primaries start, the moderates take over and more traditional candidates take the lead

In past elections, I knew what you said today was correct. Not this time!

I, like you, believe that Trump is going to go away. He doesn't have credible answers for the problems he points out. His whole shtick is, "who do you want handling it other than Trump!" That is NOT a good answer.

On the other hand, everything that he has brought up will propel the eventual winner to the GOP nomination, when whomever it is brings up plausible solutions, besides "I am Trump, and am great." This is exactly why the moderates are done. The questions and problems being addressed have changed. Oh sure, we want to know about Putin, Iran, taxes, and all of the other things GOP voters always look at. But now we want to know about illegal immigration. We want to know about caps on legal immigration. We want to know about energy policy going forward, and this incessant climate change joke being taken out of it.

All of the extras I posted will determine who the GOP nominee is. Most of the rest of the stuff is cookie cutter between all of them. But if you notice, the NEW issues in this cycle have the person who brought them up in the lead, and those who also go along with it in 2nd, 3rd, and 4th. Also notice, that NONE of the moderates (establishment) go along with it.

No Mr RW, you are going to get a different animal this time from the GOP. Look at what Mr Statistics (your pal I am sure) has posted...............that basically over 60% of the GOP think they got hosed by the GOP in Washington. (I am paraphrasing, not quoting, but you get the drift) Do you actually believe we are going to change course and vote Bush or Kasich? If you believe that, I have some swampland in Florida I will sell you too.

And then, may I suggest as a good citizen that you pay attention to your own post on how things can change quickly. I, like you, never buy into polls this far out. In politics, things change weekly, sometimes daily.

Here is something you can bring back to haunt me later, but I am 90% sure I am correct. Bernie Sanders will not beat ANY of the GOP candidates if he is the nominee, no matter what the polls say today. Not going to happen, no matter how hard people try to convince everyone it is so.

Unless Hillary Clinton comes out smelling like a rose; in other words exonerated before spring of next year, every GOP candidate in the top 5 will beat her, with the possible exception of Trump....and that is a toss-up.

I have seen the "I am mad as hell " Republicans before. They became the TeaTards of 2009. They used to flock to the Ron Paul's or Palins before. Now they claim to love Trump and Carson.
Your "this time is different" claims will fall away as will Trump and Carson.

Once the real voting begins, the real republicans will come out. You may call them RINOs. They are the ones who determine the Republican candidate

None of the candidates in the GOP clown car are capable of beating Hillary or Biden. Mr Trump has proven that

Well Mr RW, I think that I, and many others have made a convincing case for why, "this time is different." Why? I don't need to answer that, all anybody has to do is consider Johnny (I am a drunk) B, Kevin (I am a California republican, which means I am no better than a Texas Democrat) Mcarthy, or maybe we should ask on of YOUR guys, former governor Pat Quinn (Quinnochio) of Illinois, who not only got his ass handed to him in the home state of Obama and Hilly after the messiah campaigned for him, but over 400,000 DEMOCRATS voted for his BUSINESSMAN opponent in the process...........who is a CONSERVATIVE REPUBLICAN!

Just a thought, but you, statistical genius, corny, and the rest of your group of reimbursed posters, can carry on smiling all you want and act with bravado to boot if you want. ( I probably would to if cash was coming into my pocket for spinning like a Beanie and Cecil hat) But, if you guys can't even carry Obama and Hillys home state AFTER your wonderful leader goes there to campaign; and the state is already deep, dark, blue. And add to that over 400,000 of your formerly brainwashed constituents woke up and voted for the other side, I would think if all you reimbursed, lefty, libby, socialist posters were given a dose of truth serum, you would admit that your political position, is precarious at best, and much more dire at worst.

But from one person to another, carry on pretending. It makes people who pay attention have a good laugh, at this particular juncture in the race for the White House!