‘Trump Employee 5,’ who unknowingly helped move classified documents, speaks out

[MagicMike]

Nope, Trump's personal papers/records, same as Clinton in the Clinton sock drawer tapes case. Wherein the DOJ fought for Clinton's claim that the tapes were his personal records from his administration, and the court in DC agreed.

And that is why, in spite of having a grand jury in DC originally hear this matter, Jack Smith moved it to Florida, because someone realized they had controlling case law. But since the DOJ argued on behalf of Clinton over the same issue, the DC court is solid to use in Florida as well.

When this case goes to trial Trump's sideshow freak legal team will no doubt try to present this very same argument to the jury; that these were Trump's "personal" papers and/or he had already declassified them with his mind, etc.
If they try this the judge will have no choice but to stop this line of bullshit, have any mention of it removed from the record, and instruct the jury that whether the classified items in question were Trump's own "personal" papers or not is not in question or open for discussion in this case.
According to the way The PRA actually reads they weren't, period.
As for whether Trump "declassified" them all by himself with a wave of his hand upon leaving office....again, OF COURSE NOT!
That is not how it works. According to The PRA a POTUS doesn't have that authority.
It's just a ridiculous suggestion!
This is a slam-dunk case.
Very simple.
Was Trump in possession of these documents?
Yes.
Was it legal for him to have and store them the way he did?
No.
GUILTY.

 

[Seymour Flops]

Well, anyway . . . this seems to have been a non-story from the OP.

Anything else?

 

[Seymour Flops]

When this case goes to trial Trump's sideshow freak legal team will no doubt try to present this very same argument to the jury; that these were Trump's "personal" papers and/or he had already declassified them with his mind, etc.
If they try this the judge will have no course but to stop this line of bullshit, have any mention of it removed from the record, and instruct the jury that whether the classified items in question were Trump's own "personal" papers or not is not in question or open for discussion in this case.
According to the wayThe PRA actually readsthey weren't, period.
As for whether Trump "declassified" them all by himself with a wave of his hand upon leaving office....again, OF COURSE NOT!
That is not how it works. According to The PRA a POTUS doesn't have that authority.

I've posted several times that the PRA specifically excempts copies kept for personal use by a former president.

It's just a ridiculous suggestion!
This is a slam-dunk case.
Very simple.
Was Trump in possession of these documents?
Yes.

Yes.

Was it legal for him to have and store them the way he did?
No.

Yes.

GUILTY.

Not Guilty.

BTW, what do we know was in the boxes that Butler the Butler moved around?

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Well, anyway . . . this seems to have been a non-story from the OP.

Anything else?

Haha, the cult is nervous again.

 

[MagicMike]

I've posted several times that the PRA specifically excempts copies kept for personal use by a former president.

And you have been wrong each time.
The PRA does no such thing and to even try to suggest it does is ludicrous.
Remember, every single time you try to quote something that a documented pathological liar (Trump) has said you are going to wind up looking pretty foolish.
Trump doesn't understand The PRA any better than you do.

BTW, what do we know was in the boxes that Butler the Butler moved around?

Classified documents that Trump stole from The National Archives.

 

[Zincwarrior]

We can never learn from the past?

Thats not what you're doing. If those are crimes, do separate threads to discuss them.

 

[Seymour Flops]

And you have been wrong each time.
The PRA does no such thing and to even try to suggest it does is ludicrous.
Remember, every single time you try to quote something that a documented pathological liar (Trump) has said you are going to wind up looking pretty foolish.
Trump doesn't understand The PRA any better than you do.

It wasn't from Trump, it was from the PRA.

Classified documents that Trump stole from The National Archives.

This we know, how?

 

[jc456]

still TDSing. documents are trump's to do with whatever. been discussed for ever in here. there are plenty of threads on this. boring, delete this thread please!!!!

 

[jc456]

Thats not what you're doing. If those are crimes, do separate threads to discuss them.

They're not. There is no actual law.

 

[Seymour Flops]

Here is a simple explanation that Trump did not "steal" any documents:

Trump asks DOJ to drop charges

No. Even the trump appointed special prosecutor noted the difference. His only prayer is to attempt to nullify the jury. Donny is going to trial. Actually, Biden wasn't privy to take them as he wasn't a president at the time he stole them.

www.usmessageboard.com

 

[jc456]

When this case goes to trial Trump's sideshow freak legal team will no doubt try to present this very same argument to the jury; that these were Trump's "personal" papers and/or he had already declassified them with his mind, etc.
If they try this the judge will have no choice but to stop this line of bullshit, have any mention of it removed from the record, and instruct the jury that whether the classified items in question were Trump's own "personal" papers or not is not in question or open for discussion in this case.
According to the way The PRA actually reads they weren't, period.
As for whether Trump "declassified" them all by himself with a wave of his hand upon leaving office....again, OF COURSE NOT!
That is not how it works. According to The PRA a POTUS doesn't have that authority.
It's just a ridiculous suggestion!
This is a slam-dunk case.
Very simple.
Was Trump in possession of these documents?
Yes.
Was it legal for him to have and store them the way he did?
No.
GUILTY.

there's no law to break. There's that.

 

[jc456]

It wasn't from Trump, it was from the PRA.

This we know, how?

more evidence demofks are actually the ones above the laws! They are indeed the hypocrites in society today!!!! nothing to see here is always their defense.

 

[Seymour Flops]

more evidence demofks are actually the ones above the laws! They are indeed the hypocrites in society today!!!! nothing to see here is always their defense.

They are literally prosecuting Trump for actions that they think should be crimes, but are not.

 

[Lesh]

Clinton did.

Clinton had tapes that were ruled to be diaries which are exempt from the PRA

Let’s put that stupid claim to rest

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

They are literally prosecuting Trump for actions that they think should be crimes, but are not.

Lie .

This lie has been debunked about 100 times already in threads that this poster has participated in.

 

[Rawley]

Very simple.
Was Trump in possession of these documents?
Yes.
Was it legal for him to have and store them the way he did?
No.
GUILTY.

LOL You just put Biden in prison

 

[MagicMike]

LOL You just put Biden in prison

Nope
Whataboutism is not a valid legal defense.
Biden's case is not the same as Trump's case.
The details are different.

 

[Rawley]

Nope

Yup

Very simple.
Was Trump BIden in possession of these documents?
Yes.
Was it legal for him to have and store them the way he did?
No.
GUILTY.

 

[Billiejeens]

This guy was directly involved with the transportation of classified documents. He had his hands on the boxes. He's coming forward because he feels the electorate needs to have the whole truth of what went on. There is Trump's version and there is the DOJ's version. I imagine the truth is somewhere in between.

Butler, who was employed at Mar-a-Lago for 20 years, has spoken repeatedly with investigators, paying for his own attorney and breaking with the orbit around Trump that he knows so well – setting him apart from his former colleagues and friends as his former boss has been named in multiple federal investigations.

Butler told CNN how he unknowingly helped Nauta deliver boxes of classified information from Mar-a-Lago to the former president’s plane in June 2022 – the same day that Trump and his attorney were meeting with the Justice Department at Mar-a-Lago about the classified documents.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/03/11/politics/trump-employee-5-classified-documents-mar-a-lago/index.html

So he moved boxes that he was allowed to move.
Kewl story sis.

 

[Billiejeens]

Nope
Whataboutism is not a valid legal defense.
Biden's case is not the same as Trump's case.
The details are different.

The details in Biden's case are much worse.