Trump asks DOJ to drop charges

[Meister]

No. Even the trump appointed special prosecutor noted the difference. His only prayer is to attempt to nullify the jury. Donny is going to trial.

Actually, Biden wasn't privy to take them as he wasn't a president at the time he stole them.

 

[BS Filter]

They should drop charges since democrats claim Trump also has dementia.

 

[Road Runner]

They should drop charges since democrats claim Trump also has dementia.

Thank you as that was my point exactly that I was trying to get at with White 6.

 

[justoffal]

There is really no difference aside from Biden having dementia.

Exactly...... I still can't believe what a word trap this guy Hur laid on Biden. Talk about damned if you do and damned if you don't.

 

[White 6]

Actually, Biden wasn't privy to take them as he wasn't a president at the time he stole them.

He must have been privy, whether president or not. His clearance obviously allowed it. Trust me. If you don't have the clearance, you don't even get in, much less get to handle the documents.

 

[White 6]

Thank you as that was my point exactly that I was trying to get at with White 6.

Don't hold your breath.

 

[Road Runner]

Don't hold your breath.

Yeah I know but do you at least see my point now?

 

[White 6]

Yeah I know but do you at least see my point now?

I read it, but just don't agree with it.
It is interesting you think Donnie is demented though.

 

[Road Runner]

I read it, but just don't agree with it.
It is interesting you think Donnie is demented though.

I don't but the left often does.

 

[Moonglow]

They should drop charges since democrats claim Trump also has dementia.

You will have to get the special investigator to make that determination.

 

[Moonglow]

I read it, but just don't agree with it.
It is interesting you think Donnie is demented though.

He's more of a lunatic fringe kinda guy.

 

[Smokin' OP]

No retard. Courts have said the National Archives have NO right to decide what is or is not a Presidential Record. No wonder people like you hate the truth. You don’t know anything about anything.

WTF?
The courts don't decide anything.
What a DUMBASS.

The Presidential Records Act (PRA) requires the President to separate personal documents from Presidential records before leaving office. 44 U.S.C. 2203(b).
The PRA makes clear that, upon the conclusion of the President’s term in office, NARA assumes responsibility for the custody, control, preservation of, and access to the records of a President. 44 U.S.C. 2203(g)(1).
The PRA makes the legal status of Presidential records clear and unambiguous, providing that the United States reserves and retains “complete ownership, possession, and control of Presidential records.” 44 U.S.C. 2202.
There is no history, practice, or provision in law for presidents to take official records with them when they leave office to sort through.

You don't know shit.

 

[Smokin' OP]

Haw!

Whaddaya mean “if?”

I gave you a quote from the law, and a link to check it out for yourself. Did you see anywhere on that quote or in that link where it says a president has to ask For a copy from the national archives?

Yes..........ASK.
Something Trump never did.

Are you living in an alternate universe? Is it just as hard to find a charger for your elective vehicle there?

You must be.

Sure, if you are just willing to accept the indictment as reveal truth, and don’t need any other information, then feel free to ignore the evidence you see with your own eyes.

Why would the National Archives demand copies be returned?
Copies that were given to Trump by the National Archives?

 

[Seymour Flops]

Yes..........ASK.
Something Trump never did.

Well, I showed you the law. Where in the law does it say he has to first turn them over to the National Archives, and then ask -hat in hand I guess you are imagining - for the copies?

Why would the National Archives demand copies be returned?
Copies that were given to Trump by the National Archives?

I never said that the National Archives gave Trump the copies.

Now that you mention it, Trump, in fact, did ask for copies of one set of documents. From the FBI.

He did it in writing, very formally. He did not have to do that, but he wanted to take away the any excuse the FBI might dream up to stonewall as Trump suspected they were doing. He only wanted to get the copies that the PRA says he legally has a right to.

Guess what? The FBI stonewalled anyway, and never gave him the copies. They made no excuse, just ignored the president's written directive, like the rogue agency they are. Hard to blame a duly elected president from enforcing the law himself, once the agencies who are supposed to enforce it refuse.

Memorandum on Declassification of Certain Materials Related to the FBI’s Crossfire Hurricane Investigation – The White House

trumpwhitehouse.archives.gov

 

[lantern2814]

WTF?
The courts don't decide anything.
What a DUMBASS.

The Presidential Records Act (PRA) requires the President to separate personal documents from Presidential records before leaving office. 44 U.S.C. 2203(b).
The PRA makes clear that, upon the conclusion of the President’s term in office, NARA assumes responsibility for the custody, control, preservation of, and access to the records of a President. 44 U.S.C. 2203(g)(1).
The PRA makes the legal status of Presidential records clear and unambiguous, providing that the United States reserves and retains “complete ownership, possession, and control of Presidential records.” 44 U.S.C. 2202.
There is no history, practice, or provision in law for presidents to take official records with them when they leave office to sort through.

You don't know shit.

Wrong, asshole. Seems, as usual, YOU don’t know shit. NARA can’t determine what is or is not a Presidential record. Courts have stated that they do NOT have that authority. Your whiny cut and paste has nothing to do with that ruling. What a dumbass YOU are. Not a surprise.

 

[Marener]

Wrong, asshole. Seems, as usual, YOU don’t know shit. NARA can’t determine what is or is not a Presidential record. Courts have stated that they do NOT have that authority. Your whiny cut and paste has nothing to do with that ruling. What a dumbass YOU are. Not a surprise.

If they weren’t presidential records, then what are they?

 

[Smokin' OP]

Well, I showed you the law. Where in the law does it say he has to first turn them over to the National Archives, and then ask -hat in hand I guess you are imagining - for the copies?

§ 2202. Ownership of Presidential records

The United States shall reserve and retain complete ownership, possession, and control of Presidential records; and such records shall be administered in accordance with the provisions of this chapter.

§ 2203. Management and custody of Presidential records

(a) Through the implementation of records management controls and other necessary actions, the President shall take all such steps as may be necessary to assure that the activities, deliberations, decisions, and policies that reflect the performance of the President’s constitutional, statutory, or other official or ceremonial duties are adequately documented and that such records are preserved and maintained as Presidential records pursuant to the requirements of this section and other provisions of law.

(b) Documentary materials produced or received by the President, the President’s staff, or units or individuals in the Executive Office of the President the function of which is to advise or assist the President, shall, to the extent practicable, be categorized as Presidential records or personal records upon their creation or receipt and be filed separately.

I never said that the National Archives gave Trump the copies.

Now that you mention it, Trump, in fact, did ask for copies of one set of documents. From the FBI.

He did it in writing, very formally. He did not have to do that, but he wanted to take away the any excuse the FBI might dream up to stonewall as Trump suspected they were doing. He only wanted to get the copies that the PRA says he legally has a right to.

Guess what? The FBI stonewalled anyway, and never gave him the copies. They made no excuse, just ignored the president's written directive, like the rogue agency they are. Hard to blame a duly elected president from enforcing the law himself, once the agencies who are supposed to enforce it refuse.

Memorandum on Declassification of Certain Materials Related to the FBI’s Crossfire Hurricane Investigation – The White House

trumpwhitehouse.archives.gov

 

[Smokin' OP]

Wrong, asshole. Seems, as usual, YOU don’t know shit. NARA can’t determine what is or is not a Presidential record.

I never stated they did.
I stated the courts don't decide which documents are to be classified.
YOU did.

Courts have stated that they do NOT have that authority.

NOT sole authority.
The National Archives contacts the agencies that relate to the subject matter in the document, for declassification or determining unauthorized release would damage national security.
If that agency decides it would, the document remains classified.
Which the National Archives has control over.

§ 2202. Ownership of Presidential records
§ 2203. Management and custody of Presidential records

Your whiny cut and paste has nothing to do with that ruling. What a dumbass YOU are. Not a surprise.

 

[Seymour Flops]

§ 2202. Ownership of Presidential records

The United States shall reserve and retain complete ownership, possession, and control of Presidential records; and such records shall be administered in accordance with the provisions of this chapter.

§ 2203. Management and custody of Presidential records

(a) Through the implementation of records management controls and other necessary actions, the President shall take all such steps as may be necessary to assure that the activities, deliberations, decisions, and policies that reflect the performance of the President’s constitutional, statutory, or other official or ceremonial duties are adequately documented and that such records are preserved and maintained as Presidential records pursuant to the requirements of this section and other provisions of law.

(b) Documentary materials produced or received by the President, the President’s staff, or units or individuals in the Executive Office of the President the function of which is to advise or assist the President, shall, to the extent practicable, be categorized as Presidential records or personal records upon their creation or receipt and be filed separately.

Yes. That applies to PRESIDENTIAL RECORDS.

According to the law:

(2) The term "Presidential records" means documentary materials, or any reasonably segregable portion thereof, created or received by the President, the President's immediate staff, or a unit or individual of the Executive Office of the President whose function is to advise or assist the President, in the course of conducting activities which relate to or have an effect upon the carrying out of the constitutional, statutory, or other official or ceremonial duties of the President. Such term—

(A) includes any documentary materials relating to the political activities of the President or members of the President's staff, but only if such activities relate to or have a direct effect upon the carrying out of constitutional, statutory, or other official or ceremonial duties of the President; but

(B) does not include any documentary materials that are (i) official records of an agency (as defined in section 552(e) 1 of title 5, United States Code); (ii) personal records; (iii) stocks of publications and stationery; or (iv) extra copies of documents produced only for convenience of reference, when such copies are clearly so identified.

The law is what it is, not what you wish it were.

 

[Smokin' OP]

Yes. That applies to PRESIDENTIAL RECORDS.

According to the law:

(2) The term "Presidential records" means documentary materials, or any reasonably segregable portion thereof, created or received by the President, the President's immediate staff, or a unit or individual of the Executive Office of the President whose function is to advise or assist the President, in the course of conducting activities which relate to or have an effect upon the carrying out of the constitutional, statutory, or other official or ceremonial duties of the President. Such term—

(A) includes any documentary materials relating to the political activities of the President or members of the President's staff, but only if such activities relate to or have a direct effect upon the carrying out of constitutional, statutory, or other official or ceremonial duties of the President; but

(B) does not include any documentary materials that are (i) official records of an agency (as defined in section 552(e) 1 of title 5, United States Code); (ii) personal records; (iii) stocks of publications and stationery; or (iv) extra copies of documents produced only for convenience of reference, when such copies are clearly so identified.

The law is what it is, not what you wish it were.

Yes. That applies to PRESIDENTIAL RECORDS.

According to the law:

(2) The term "Presidential records" means documentary materials, or any reasonably segregable portion thereof, created or received by the President, the President's immediate staff, or a unit or individual of the Executive Office of the President whose function is to advise or assist the President, in the course of conducting activities which relate to or have an effect upon the carrying out of the constitutional, statutory, or other official or ceremonial duties of the President. Such term—

(A) includes any documentary materials relating to the political activities of the President or members of the President's staff, but only if such activities relate to or have a direct effect upon the carrying out of constitutional, statutory, or other official or ceremonial duties of the President; but

(B) does not include any documentary materials that are (i) official records of an agency (as defined in section 552(e) 1 of title 5, United States Code); (ii) personal records; (iii) stocks of publications and stationery; or (iv) extra copies of documents produced only for convenience of reference, when such copies are clearly so identified.

The law is what it is, not what you wish it were.

No, that is the law, that's why I posted it.

Here is another.

§ 2201. Definitions

As used in this chapter--

(1) The term "documentary material" means all books, correspondence, memoranda, documents, papers, pamphlets, works of art, models, pictures, photographs, plats, maps, films, and motion pictures, including, but not limited to, audio and visual records, or other electronic or mechanical recordations, whether in analog, digital, or any other form.

(2) The term "Presidential records" means documentary materials, or any reasonably segregable portion thereof, created or received by the President, the President’s immediate staff, or a unit or individual of the Executive Office of the President whose function is to advise or assist the President, in the course of conducting activities which relate to or have an effect upon the carrying out of the constitutional, statutory, or other official or ceremonial duties of the President. Such term--

(A) includes any documentary materials relating to the political activities of the President or members of the President’s staff, but only if such activities relate to or have a direct effect upon the carrying out of constitutional, statutory, or other official or ceremonial duties of the President; but

(B) does not include any documentary materials that are (i) official records of an agency (as defined in section 552(e) of title 5, United States Code; (ii) personal records; (iii) stocks of publications and stationery; or (iv) extra copies of documents produced only for convenience of reference, when such copies are clearly so identified.

(3) The term "personal records" means all documentary materials, or any reasonably segregable portion thereof, of a purely private or nonpublic character which do not relate to or have an effect upon the carrying out of the constitutional, statutory, or other official or ceremonial duties of the President. Such term includes--

(A) diaries, journals, or other personal notes serving as the functional equivalent of a diary or journal which are not prepared or utilized for, or circulated or communicated in the course of, transacting Government business;

(B) materials relating to private political associations, and having no relation to or direct effect upon the carrying out of constitutional, statutory, or other official or ceremonial duties of the President; and

(C) materials relating exclusively to the President’s own election to the office of the Presidency; and materials directly relating to the election of a particular individual or individuals to Federal, State, or local office, which have no relation to or direct effect upon the carrying out of constitutional, statutory, or other official or ceremonial duties of the President.