Too bad you didn't take that advice before you started blaming Bush and the United States for Spain's economic woes. Only a spineless coward doesn't accept responsibility for his own actions much less an entire alleged "First World" nation.
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Crixus
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Too bad you didn't take that advice before you started blaming Bush and the United States for Spain's economic woes. Only a spineless coward doesn't accept responsibility for his own actions much less an entire alleged "First World" nation.Try "no further comment"....
It's not nasty like France. Plan on taking the kids in a year or so. Just not to France.
I've been to both, but that was in the late '80s....and only for a few days at a time courtesy of the US Navy. The only thing I want to see in France is Normandy, but that is pretty far off the beaten path. My wife wants to see Paris as part of her bucket list so I think we'll combine both for a week. Nothing that I want to see in Spain that I already haven't (Benidorm and the Mallorca). In fact, aside from Normandy the only things I'd like to see on that part of the world are Hadrian's Wall and Stonehenge.Too bad you didn't take that advice before you started blaming Bush and the United States for Spain's economic woes. Only a spineless coward doesn't accept responsibility for his own actions much less an entire alleged "First World" nation.Try "no further comment"....
It's not nasty like France. Plan on taking the kids in a year or so. Just not to France.
All Obama left was solid growth and respect for America again, despite pure GOP obstruction and total bs propaganda and fear mongering, dupe.. And Trump has ruined the respect part already, you're right..Booosh, the GOP, and Wall St wrecked the whole world in 2008- Try reality. Countries that had enough money to bail out financial institutions and victims recovered, others not so much. It cost so much, nationalist chaos came too, not like the 30's but not so great either. See Brexit, Putin, Trump...Thank god for Obama and modern democratic socialism. RW BS, not so much.ROFLMAO! Seriously? It's "Bush's fault!!!"? Sorry, dude, but the Spanish are responsible for their own country and their own economic turmoil. They've been overspending for decades. If you seriously want to blame the US for Spain's economic woes, then perhaps we should move in and fix it for them! Lord knows they could use the help to pull their heads out of their own asses!Maybe if Bush hadn't wrecked the Spanish economy they'd do it IMMEDIATELY, but raising their spending by 2024 as promised will do. No, they don't have a shytte RW media like we do now. Spain, Italy and Greece have weak economies and it's not surprising Latvia and Lithuania are more worried about Russia. Thanks to Obama and NO THANKS to the GOP we have the strongest economy in the world now. And the biggest military industrial complex in the world by far.
Chart Of The Day: Spanish Debt | Zero Hedge
Beleaguered Prime Minister Mariano Rajoy just broke another record. As if a plague of corruption scandals was not enough, Spain's debt-to-GDP has now reached levels not seen in over 100 years. As El Pais reports, Spanish debt levels rose at an alarming EUR 400 million per day in 2012 making for the largest annual increase in debt in the nation's history - all the while proclaiming austerity
Spain Economy Watch: October 2013
With the accession to the European Monetary System and later the Euro, interest rates declined significantly for both Portugal and Spain and as a result the two increased their debt levels. According to the McKinsey report, Debt and deleveraging (see page 14), in the second quarter of 2011 Portugal and Spain had total debt of 356 and 363 (as % of GDP), respectively. The consequence of cheap and easy credit was to create a housing bubble, both in Portugal and in Spain, but while the Portuguese began to deflate in 2002, the Spanish continued to inflate until 2008. This outcome was the result of the substantial increase in Spain’s population as a result of immigration, many of them Portuguese, while the increase in immigration in Portugal was just enough to replace the ones who were leaving. This population growth allowed the housing bubble to continue for much longer in Spain, while in Portugal there were no longer enough people to buy the excess homes being built, and so prices didn't skyrocket; but the housing units were built regardless. As such, rather than a classical bubble with inflated house prices, in Portugal, it was more a case of oversupply, given that 800,000 homes were built in the last decade while the population only grew by 200,000. On the contrary, in Spain, in addition to the excess construction, prices went through the roof, with migration pressures making a substantial contribution to both. It is estimated that the immigration inflow increased house prices by about 52% and was responsible for 37% of the total construction of new housing units between 1998 and 2008. Between 2002 and the 2007-08 financial crises the growth of the Portuguese economy started to fall more in line with the growth of economies where the labor force was stagnant or declining, namely Italy and Germany, as can be seen in the chart below.
Yeah. That 'Bama guy REALLY left his mark. Should be all gone by year three of Trumps second term.
Well I've lived in Spain for 2 years and France for 2 years and they're much happier places than the USA and tons to see. Nasty? LOL.I've been to both, but that was in the late '80s....and only for a few days at a time courtesy of the US Navy. The only thing I want to see in France is Normandy, but that is pretty far off the beaten path. My wife wants to see Paris as part of her bucket list so I think we'll combine both for a week. Nothing that I want to see in Spain that I already haven't (Benidorm and the Mallorca). In fact, aside from Normandy the only things I'd like to see on that part of the world are Hadrian's Wall and Stonehenge.Too bad you didn't take that advice before you started blaming Bush and the United States for Spain's economic woes. Only a spineless coward doesn't accept responsibility for his own actions much less an entire alleged "First World" nation.Try "no further comment"....
It's not nasty like France. Plan on taking the kids in a year or so. Just not to France.
Crixus
Gold Member
All Obama left was solid growth and respect for America again, despite pure GOP obstruction and total bs propaganda and fear mongering, dupe.. And Trump has ruined the respect part already, you're right..Booosh, the GOP, and Wall St wrecked the whole world in 2008- Try reality. Countries that had enough money to bail out financial institutions and victims recovered, others not so much. It cost so much, nationalist chaos came too, not like the 30's but not so great either. See Brexit, Putin, Trump...Thank god for Obama and modern democratic socialism. RW BS, not so much.ROFLMAO! Seriously? It's "Bush's fault!!!"? Sorry, dude, but the Spanish are responsible for their own country and their own economic turmoil. They've been overspending for decades. If you seriously want to blame the US for Spain's economic woes, then perhaps we should move in and fix it for them! Lord knows they could use the help to pull their heads out of their own asses!Maybe if Bush hadn't wrecked the Spanish economy they'd do it IMMEDIATELY, but raising their spending by 2024 as promised will do. No, they don't have a shytte RW media like we do now. Spain, Italy and Greece have weak economies and it's not surprising Latvia and Lithuania are more worried about Russia. Thanks to Obama and NO THANKS to the GOP we have the strongest economy in the world now. And the biggest military industrial complex in the world by far.
Chart Of The Day: Spanish Debt | Zero Hedge
Beleaguered Prime Minister Mariano Rajoy just broke another record. As if a plague of corruption scandals was not enough, Spain's debt-to-GDP has now reached levels not seen in over 100 years. As El Pais reports, Spanish debt levels rose at an alarming EUR 400 million per day in 2012 making for the largest annual increase in debt in the nation's history - all the while proclaiming austerity
Spain Economy Watch: October 2013
With the accession to the European Monetary System and later the Euro, interest rates declined significantly for both Portugal and Spain and as a result the two increased their debt levels. According to the McKinsey report, Debt and deleveraging (see page 14), in the second quarter of 2011 Portugal and Spain had total debt of 356 and 363 (as % of GDP), respectively. The consequence of cheap and easy credit was to create a housing bubble, both in Portugal and in Spain, but while the Portuguese began to deflate in 2002, the Spanish continued to inflate until 2008. This outcome was the result of the substantial increase in Spain’s population as a result of immigration, many of them Portuguese, while the increase in immigration in Portugal was just enough to replace the ones who were leaving. This population growth allowed the housing bubble to continue for much longer in Spain, while in Portugal there were no longer enough people to buy the excess homes being built, and so prices didn't skyrocket; but the housing units were built regardless. As such, rather than a classical bubble with inflated house prices, in Portugal, it was more a case of oversupply, given that 800,000 homes were built in the last decade while the population only grew by 200,000. On the contrary, in Spain, in addition to the excess construction, prices went through the roof, with migration pressures making a substantial contribution to both. It is estimated that the immigration inflow increased house prices by about 52% and was responsible for 37% of the total construction of new housing units between 1998 and 2008. Between 2002 and the 2007-08 financial crises the growth of the Portuguese economy started to fall more in line with the growth of economies where the labor force was stagnant or declining, namely Italy and Germany, as can be seen in the chart below.
Yeah. That 'Bama guy REALLY left his mark. Should be all gone by year three of Trumps second term.
Respect. Hmm. I'll say this. My folks went back to the mother land awhile back. 2010. Wasn't to much respect. I will agree that Bamanwas defiantly more accommodating, thus liked more, but not what your implying.
Yup, thanks for the corrupt GOP world depression. Spain doesn't have our natural resources so can't recover with a fracking boom. The lying cheating duping GOP is a disgrace and always has been, although never this bad. I suppose they didn't cause the Great Depression either lol....Awesome, but typical of Euro Socialists. Same old tired anti-capitalist, anti-American bullshit.Booosh, the GOP, and Wall St wrecked the whole world in 2008- Try reality. Countries that had enough money to bail out financial institutions and victims recovered, others not so much. It cost so much, nationalist chaos came too, not like the 30's but not so great either. See Brexit, Putin, Trump...Thank god for Obama and modern democratic socialism. RW BS, not so much.
Meanwhile, Spain's economy is still in the shitter.
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Critics, mainly from the left but also from parts of academia, argue that the country’s recovery is not just incomplete but that the price of austerity and reform was too high. The unemployment rate may have fallen sharply, but at 18.6 per cent it remains far above the pre-crisis level and almost double the eurozone average. Ms Oltra is one of many who bemoans the creation of a new class of “working poor” in Spain. Inequality has increased dramatically and public finances continue to bear the scars of the crisis: Spanish government debt is 100 per cent of GDP, up from 40 per cent before the crisis. The lost decade, and debt accumulated along the way, will weigh heavily on Valencia as well. Almost a quarter of the government’s annual €4bn budget is used to service the region’s vast debt pile. “We are paying for a lot of broken plates,” says Vicent Soler, the regional budget minister since 2015.
Where's that, Putin's Russia? Anyway great job, Boooshies and now Trumpies. OMG....All Obama left was solid growth and respect for America again, despite pure GOP obstruction and total bs propaganda and fear mongering, dupe.. And Trump has ruined the respect part already, you're right..Booosh, the GOP, and Wall St wrecked the whole world in 2008- Try reality. Countries that had enough money to bail out financial institutions and victims recovered, others not so much. It cost so much, nationalist chaos came too, not like the 30's but not so great either. See Brexit, Putin, Trump...Thank god for Obama and modern democratic socialism. RW BS, not so much.ROFLMAO! Seriously? It's "Bush's fault!!!"? Sorry, dude, but the Spanish are responsible for their own country and their own economic turmoil. They've been overspending for decades. If you seriously want to blame the US for Spain's economic woes, then perhaps we should move in and fix it for them! Lord knows they could use the help to pull their heads out of their own asses!Maybe if Bush hadn't wrecked the Spanish economy they'd do it IMMEDIATELY, but raising their spending by 2024 as promised will do. No, they don't have a shytte RW media like we do now. Spain, Italy and Greece have weak economies and it's not surprising Latvia and Lithuania are more worried about Russia. Thanks to Obama and NO THANKS to the GOP we have the strongest economy in the world now. And the biggest military industrial complex in the world by far.
Chart Of The Day: Spanish Debt | Zero Hedge
Beleaguered Prime Minister Mariano Rajoy just broke another record. As if a plague of corruption scandals was not enough, Spain's debt-to-GDP has now reached levels not seen in over 100 years. As El Pais reports, Spanish debt levels rose at an alarming EUR 400 million per day in 2012 making for the largest annual increase in debt in the nation's history - all the while proclaiming austerity
Spain Economy Watch: October 2013
With the accession to the European Monetary System and later the Euro, interest rates declined significantly for both Portugal and Spain and as a result the two increased their debt levels. According to the McKinsey report, Debt and deleveraging (see page 14), in the second quarter of 2011 Portugal and Spain had total debt of 356 and 363 (as % of GDP), respectively. The consequence of cheap and easy credit was to create a housing bubble, both in Portugal and in Spain, but while the Portuguese began to deflate in 2002, the Spanish continued to inflate until 2008. This outcome was the result of the substantial increase in Spain’s population as a result of immigration, many of them Portuguese, while the increase in immigration in Portugal was just enough to replace the ones who were leaving. This population growth allowed the housing bubble to continue for much longer in Spain, while in Portugal there were no longer enough people to buy the excess homes being built, and so prices didn't skyrocket; but the housing units were built regardless. As such, rather than a classical bubble with inflated house prices, in Portugal, it was more a case of oversupply, given that 800,000 homes were built in the last decade while the population only grew by 200,000. On the contrary, in Spain, in addition to the excess construction, prices went through the roof, with migration pressures making a substantial contribution to both. It is estimated that the immigration inflow increased house prices by about 52% and was responsible for 37% of the total construction of new housing units between 1998 and 2008. Between 2002 and the 2007-08 financial crises the growth of the Portuguese economy started to fall more in line with the growth of economies where the labor force was stagnant or declining, namely Italy and Germany, as can be seen in the chart below.
Yeah. That 'Bama guy REALLY left his mark. Should be all gone by year three of Trumps second term.
Respect. Hmm. I'll say this. My folks went back to the mother land awhile back. 2010. Wasn't to much respect. I will agree that Bamanwas defiantly more accommodating, thus liked more, but not what your implying.
Which one are you living in now? If not there, why not?Well I've lived in Spain for 2 years and France for 2 years and they're much happier places than the USA and tons to see. Nasty? LOL.I've been to both, but that was in the late '80s....and only for a few days at a time courtesy of the US Navy. The only thing I want to see in France is Normandy, but that is pretty far off the beaten path. My wife wants to see Paris as part of her bucket list so I think we'll combine both for a week. Nothing that I want to see in Spain that I already haven't (Benidorm and the Mallorca). In fact, aside from Normandy the only things I'd like to see on that part of the world are Hadrian's Wall and Stonehenge.Too bad you didn't take that advice before you started blaming Bush and the United States for Spain's economic woes. Only a spineless coward doesn't accept responsibility for his own actions much less an entire alleged "First World" nation.Try "no further comment"....
It's not nasty like France. Plan on taking the kids in a year or so. Just not to France.
Typical Socialist anti-American hate. You should move to a socialist country. You'd be happier.Yup, thanks for the corrupt GOP world depression. Spain doesn't have our natural resources so can't recover with a fracking boom. The lying cheating duping GOP is a disgrace and always has been, although never this bad. I suppose they didn't cause the Great Depression either lol....Awesome, but typical of Euro Socialists. Same old tired anti-capitalist, anti-American bullshit.Booosh, the GOP, and Wall St wrecked the whole world in 2008- Try reality. Countries that had enough money to bail out financial institutions and victims recovered, others not so much. It cost so much, nationalist chaos came too, not like the 30's but not so great either. See Brexit, Putin, Trump...Thank god for Obama and modern democratic socialism. RW BS, not so much.
Meanwhile, Spain's economy is still in the shitter.
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Critics, mainly from the left but also from parts of academia, argue that the country’s recovery is not just incomplete but that the price of austerity and reform was too high. The unemployment rate may have fallen sharply, but at 18.6 per cent it remains far above the pre-crisis level and almost double the eurozone average. Ms Oltra is one of many who bemoans the creation of a new class of “working poor” in Spain. Inequality has increased dramatically and public finances continue to bear the scars of the crisis: Spanish government debt is 100 per cent of GDP, up from 40 per cent before the crisis. The lost decade, and debt accumulated along the way, will weigh heavily on Valencia as well. Almost a quarter of the government’s annual €4bn budget is used to service the region’s vast debt pile. “We are paying for a lot of broken plates,” says Vicent Soler, the regional budget minister since 2015.
Uncensored2008
Libertarian Radical
If it's a Democrat Judge, he could do some time. But i'll still stand by the man. He stood up to Democrat Fake News bullies. It's time for more Republicans to do that.
The Prosecutor already said this was insufficient for an assault charge. Disturbing the peace carries a fine as penalty.
Uncensored2008
Libertarian Radical
Maybe if GOPers didn't have to defend inhumane bs they wouldn't get so tempermental lol...
No one is defending the shit you spew, Franco hater dupe bot. Though I agree that most of what you post is inhumane, and ALL of it is bullshit.
Uncensored2008
Libertarian Radical
The guy got punched in the face.
Not according to the official reports, and you are a notorious hack with virtually no integrity. Look, you'd like Gianforte put to death for the very serious crime of being a Republican; however the prosecutor actually lowered the charge from assault to disturbing the peace because the injuries, or lack there of, did not sustain the original charge.
Uncensored2008
Libertarian Radical
[]A Constitutionally protected entity, is not an enemy.
Unless cakes are involved..
Say sploogy, which president jailed more reporters during peacetime than any other?
I'll give you a hint, you probably have a shrine to him that you bow down to several time each day..
The people celebrating are real American patriots!The problem with this country is the people celebrating what happened in Montana.
Only the LIB man-bun pussies are 'upset'.
Fuck them!
I hold a PRIVATE event and some fag LIB pussy-boy crashes the PRIVATE event and sticks a mic in my face and DEMANDS to have his questions answered that kunt leaves in a fucking ambulance.
Period!
Read a history book you fucking MORON!!!!!!!So now you're trashing JFK? Or was it Eisenhower? I forget.quick airlift info --- The Cold War for Kids: Berlin Airlift --- i was a widdle kid at the time .
Spain/Italy/Portugal/Greece ALL had SOCIALIST governments!!!!!!Name ONE fucking Socialist country on the fucking planet that has a decent thriving economy.Maybe if Bush hadn't wrecked the Spanish economy they'd do it IMMEDIATELY, but raising their spending by 2024 as promised will do. No, they don't have a shytte RW media like we do now. Spain, Italy and Greece have weak economies and it's not surprising Latvia and Lithuania are more worried about Russia. Thanks to Obama and NO THANKS to the GOP we have the strongest economy in the world now. And the biggest military industrial complex in the world by far.LOL. Why do you think I'm a "hater dupe"? Spain has a RW media? Informative.If only it was as simple as you hater dupes believe. Our RW media is a disgrace......
Margaret Thatcher said: "Socialism is a great idea until you run out of other people's money to spend".
Doc1
Gold Member
Trump wanted us to cut and run from Iraq. Trump wanted his friend Nancy Pelosi to impeach Bush.
Now Trump wants us to dump NATO and serve Russia.
Anyone seeing a fucking pattern yet? Huh, retards?
Of course we do, we see that you are a sad little man with ZERO intellect. You still think that there Right and Leftwing Presidents.
GOOD! He should now be in a fucking comma with a tube up his nose!The guy got punched in the face.Far from brutally. At best the guy got shoved down if that. Huge difference between a beating and a roughing up.
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