Trump at 47% approval today; Obama was at 46% this same day in his term

Trumpism ?
I ll take Hillary any day of the week over Trumpism, the man who allowed rewards for shooting our soldiers with no recourse and now doesn’t listen to scientists with a spread of coronavirus like wild fire.
oeople who don’t listen to science are horribly deficient.
I made my point a retard democrat just crawled out from under a rock:auiqs.jpg::auiqs.jpg::auiqs.jpg::auiqs.jpg:
Did you here about the retarded Trump humper ? He moved from Texas to Oklahoma and in one move, raised the IQ level of both states.
 

And before you TDS Sufferers poo-poo the Rasmussen Poll, as is customary note:

No other pollster tracked by RealClearPolitics came as close to the final results. "The media created a false narrative about the 2016 presidential campaign, and most polling reinforced it," {AND THEY ARE DOING IT AGAIN!!!!}


And this is backed up by:

______________________________________________________________________________

I have never seen anyone put through so much Hell as Don Trump. The attacks, the attempted coups---have been going on since before he took office. He still managed to build the greatest economy in history, including for Blacks and Hispanics; endured a fraudulent impeachment; started no new wars, ended one and is about to end another--our longest in history....and has had to deal with a Chinese Disease and a Diseased New York Media...and he is still doing better today than Barack Hussein Obama was doing on the same day in his Presidency.

Remarkable.

If he could just find a cure for Trump Derangement Syndrome. He will, but it looks like it will take until January of 2025.

_______

Rasmussen is a pro-Trump poll. Worth noting they completely missed the Democrat surge in 2020 and their poll has Biden up by 12.
 
and by the way, which president gave a terrorist nation (Iran) 150 billion taxpayer dollars to kill American soldiers through-out the middle east and the world?
Which
and by the way, which president gave a terrorist nation (Iran) 150 billion taxpayer dollars to kill American soldiers through-out the middle east and the world?
.
and under Trump, inspectors have pulled out and Iran is closer to developing a nuke bomb then ever before.
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Do you really think that is going to happen? You saw the North Korea fiasco over the last 30 years or so. And if it is not us, Israel will get involved. They have no choice.
And North Korea is still a fiasco. Kim used Trump to become important on the world stage and nothing changed after Kim kicked a Trump to the curb like a cheap whore after he was done using Trump. Trump just keeps on embarrassing America and making America a joke internationally and at home.
Kim is important on the world stage? How? Be specific. Let us all know how Kim has benefited from Trump.
Kim wasn’t as prevalence on the world stage until Trump made him important. After Trump’s dog and pony show, Kim was invited to both China and Russia. Kim was on the front pages world wide, he played Trump and the world knew it.
Having nuclear weapons made him important, you fucking moron.
 
their polling is loaded with pro-trump bias.
Can you link to a poll that isn't biased?
Thanks, in advance
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Do your own research Shit-for-Brains.

Or you could read the last cite in the original post.

Or you could admit that the rest of the polls from the New York Media and Liberal/Socialists Colleges are all biased, and the only reliable one is Rasmussen. Notice he uses "likely voters" which rules out calling Illegal Aliens and Drug Addicts too busy panhandling to vote. Natural constituencies of the Democratic Party.

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You need to do some research. Rasmussen had Republ9icans up by 1 in the generic poll. They were off by 9 points. They missed the Democrat surge by a mile.
 

And before you TDS Sufferers poo-poo the Rasmussen Poll, as is customary note:

No other pollster tracked by RealClearPolitics came as close to the final results. "The media created a false narrative about the 2016 presidential campaign, and most polling reinforced it," {AND THEY ARE DOING IT AGAIN!!!!}


And this is backed up by:

______________________________________________________________________________

I have never seen anyone put through so much Hell as Don Trump. The attacks, the attempted coups---have been going on since before he took office. He still managed to build the greatest economy in history, including for Blacks and Hispanics; endured a fraudulent impeachment; started no new wars, ended one and is about to end another--our longest in history....and has had to deal with a Chinese Disease and a Diseased New York Media...and he is still doing better today than Barack Hussein Obama was doing on the same day in his Presidency.

Remarkable.

If he could just find a cure for Trump Derangement Syndrome. He will, but it looks like it will take until January of 2025.

_______

Nope. Polls are fake news. You guys said so
No, polls 5 months from an election are meaningless and only morons post about them and give them any credence (you).'

Comparing the approval rating of two Presidents on the same day in their first term is legit.

It is less than 5 months. A large number of people will be voting by mail. That means that people will be voting at least 1 month before the election.
 

And before you TDS Sufferers poo-poo the Rasmussen Poll, as is customary note:

No other pollster tracked by RealClearPolitics came as close to the final results. "The media created a false narrative about the 2016 presidential campaign, and most polling reinforced it," {AND THEY ARE DOING IT AGAIN!!!!}


And this is backed up by:

______________________________________________________________________________

I have never seen anyone put through so much Hell as Don Trump. The attacks, the attempted coups---have been going on since before he took office. He still managed to build the greatest economy in history, including for Blacks and Hispanics; endured a fraudulent impeachment; started no new wars, ended one and is about to end another--our longest in history....and has had to deal with a Chinese Disease and a Diseased New York Media...and he is still doing better today than Barack Hussein Obama was doing on the same day in his Presidency.

Remarkable.

If he could just find a cure for Trump Derangement Syndrome. He will, but it looks like it will take until January of 2025.

_______
You mean the media and pollsters could be lying about President Trump’s popularity?
Naw....they wouldn’t do that!
 

And before you TDS Sufferers poo-poo the Rasmussen Poll, as is customary note:

No other pollster tracked by RealClearPolitics came as close to the final results. "The media created a false narrative about the 2016 presidential campaign, and most polling reinforced it," {AND THEY ARE DOING IT AGAIN!!!!}


And this is backed up by:

______________________________________________________________________________

I have never seen anyone put through so much Hell as Don Trump. The attacks, the attempted coups---have been going on since before he took office. He still managed to build the greatest economy in history, including for Blacks and Hispanics; endured a fraudulent impeachment; started no new wars, ended one and is about to end another--our longest in history....and has had to deal with a Chinese Disease and a Diseased New York Media...and he is still doing better today than Barack Hussein Obama was doing on the same day in his Presidency.

Remarkable.

If he could just find a cure for Trump Derangement Syndrome. He will, but it looks like it will take until January of 2025.

_______

Nope. Polls are fake news. You guys said so


Well...there is this....

In the first week of July 2016, Reuters/Ipsos had Clinton up 44–33 (in November of that year, the pollster gave Hillary a 90 percent chance of winning.) The latest Reuters/Ipsos poll has Biden up 48–35. The latest New York Times/Siena poll that has Biden up 14 points nationally over Trump. In the last poll conducted by Siena before the 2016 election (I don’t see any from June–July), Clinton carried a 17-point lead over Trump. In June of 2016, Fox News had Hillary with a 49–39 lead, and now it shows Biden with a 50–38 lead. In May 2016, USA Today/Suffolk poll had Hillary’s leading 50–39 percent. In June 2020, USA Today/Suffolk poll finds Biden leading 53–41 percent.

It’s difficult to conjure up a more precarious political environment for a national candidate than the one Trump finds himself in — due to both self-inflicted troubles and events out of his control — and yet the RCP average right now has Biden up over nine points. In July of 2016, a CNN/ORC poll had Trump down 52–43. In August of 2016, Quinnipiac had him down 51–41, and McClatchy/Marist had him down 48–33.

Plenty of polls, it’s true, showed a closer race, but even some of those had obvious problems. An NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll in late June 2016 had Clinton up 46–41 percent, with the Libertarian Party’s Gary Johnson and Green Party’s Jill Stein winning 16 percent of the vote combined. They ended up with around 4 percent in a contest in which both major candidates were personally unpopular.

It’s also true that national polls are about as useful as the “popular vote.” State polls, however, were hardly better — and quite similar in 2016 to 2020.

RCP average of Pennsylvania in July of 2016 found Hillary up by over a seven-point spread. Right now, Biden is up seven points. The last poll CBS News/YouGov conducted in the state had Hillary winning 48–40; the last New York Times/Siena poll, 46–39; the last Bloomberg poll 48–39; and the last NBC/Wall Street Journal/Marist poll, 49–37.

In the final Wisconsin RCP average spread, which remained consistent throughout the election, had Hillary ended up over six points. Biden is up over six points right now in the RCP average.



Trump supporters are the ones who need to get real. This is not 2016.

Biden is not as unpopular as Hillary Clinton was. Clinton's negatives were 59% which were nearly as bad as Trump's. Biden is nowhere near that. Plus the fact that Biden got more votes in the primaries than Clinton did in 2016.

Trump has a record to defend. His leadership on the coronavirus has been a unmitigated disaster. His race baiting in the wake of Floyd's killing has been appalling. Voters disagree with nearly every position he has taken. They are tired of his divisive and nasty rhetoric.

In 2018, the polls correctly picked up the Democrat surge in 2018. That is every poll except Rasmussen. They were off by 10 points.
 

And before you TDS Sufferers poo-poo the Rasmussen Poll, as is customary note:

No other pollster tracked by RealClearPolitics came as close to the final results. "The media created a false narrative about the 2016 presidential campaign, and most polling reinforced it," {AND THEY ARE DOING IT AGAIN!!!!}


And this is backed up by:

______________________________________________________________________________

I have never seen anyone put through so much Hell as Don Trump. The attacks, the attempted coups---have been going on since before he took office. He still managed to build the greatest economy in history, including for Blacks and Hispanics; endured a fraudulent impeachment; started no new wars, ended one and is about to end another--our longest in history....and has had to deal with a Chinese Disease and a Diseased New York Media...and he is still doing better today than Barack Hussein Obama was doing on the same day in his Presidency.

Remarkable.

If he could just find a cure for Trump Derangement Syndrome. He will, but it looks like it will take until January of 2025.

_______

Nope. Polls are fake news. You guys said so


Well...there is this....

In the first week of July 2016, Reuters/Ipsos had Clinton up 44–33 (in November of that year, the pollster gave Hillary a 90 percent chance of winning.) The latest Reuters/Ipsos poll has Biden up 48–35. The latest New York Times/Siena poll that has Biden up 14 points nationally over Trump. In the last poll conducted by Siena before the 2016 election (I don’t see any from June–July), Clinton carried a 17-point lead over Trump. In June of 2016, Fox News had Hillary with a 49–39 lead, and now it shows Biden with a 50–38 lead. In May 2016, USA Today/Suffolk poll had Hillary’s leading 50–39 percent. In June 2020, USA Today/Suffolk poll finds Biden leading 53–41 percent.

It’s difficult to conjure up a more precarious political environment for a national candidate than the one Trump finds himself in — due to both self-inflicted troubles and events out of his control — and yet the RCP average right now has Biden up over nine points. In July of 2016, a CNN/ORC poll had Trump down 52–43. In August of 2016, Quinnipiac had him down 51–41, and McClatchy/Marist had him down 48–33.

Plenty of polls, it’s true, showed a closer race, but even some of those had obvious problems. An NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll in late June 2016 had Clinton up 46–41 percent, with the Libertarian Party’s Gary Johnson and Green Party’s Jill Stein winning 16 percent of the vote combined. They ended up with around 4 percent in a contest in which both major candidates were personally unpopular.

It’s also true that national polls are about as useful as the “popular vote.” State polls, however, were hardly better — and quite similar in 2016 to 2020.

RCP average of Pennsylvania in July of 2016 found Hillary up by over a seven-point spread. Right now, Biden is up seven points. The last poll CBS News/YouGov conducted in the state had Hillary winning 48–40; the last New York Times/Siena poll, 46–39; the last Bloomberg poll 48–39; and the last NBC/Wall Street Journal/Marist poll, 49–37.

In the final Wisconsin RCP average spread, which remained consistent throughout the election, had Hillary ended up over six points. Biden is up over six points right now in the RCP average.



Trump supporters are the ones who need to get real. This is not 2016.

Biden is not as unpopular as Hillary Clinton was. Clinton's negatives were 59% which were nearly as bad as Trump's. Biden is nowhere near that. Plus the fact that Biden got more votes in the primaries than Clinton did in 2016.

Trump has a record to defend. His leadership on the coronavirus has been a unmitigated disaster. His race baiting in the wake of Floyd's killing has been appalling. Voters disagree with nearly every position he has taken. They are tired of his divisive and nasty rhetoric.

In 2018, the polls correctly picked up the Democrat surge in 2018. That is every poll except Rasmussen. They were off by 10 points.


No...the lies about Trump's response to the Chinese Flu have been massive....as the democrat governors put infected patients in nursing homes......those deaths accounted for 50% of the Chinese Flu deaths....democrat party governors killed those people, not Trump. And the democrats all attacked Trump for his travel ban on China........
 

And before you TDS Sufferers poo-poo the Rasmussen Poll, as is customary note:

No other pollster tracked by RealClearPolitics came as close to the final results. "The media created a false narrative about the 2016 presidential campaign, and most polling reinforced it," {AND THEY ARE DOING IT AGAIN!!!!}


And this is backed up by:

______________________________________________________________________________

I have never seen anyone put through so much Hell as Don Trump. The attacks, the attempted coups---have been going on since before he took office. He still managed to build the greatest economy in history, including for Blacks and Hispanics; endured a fraudulent impeachment; started no new wars, ended one and is about to end another--our longest in history....and has had to deal with a Chinese Disease and a Diseased New York Media...and he is still doing better today than Barack Hussein Obama was doing on the same day in his Presidency.

Remarkable.

If he could just find a cure for Trump Derangement Syndrome. He will, but it looks like it will take until January of 2025.

_______

Nope. Polls are fake news. You guys said so


Well...there is this....

In the first week of July 2016, Reuters/Ipsos had Clinton up 44–33 (in November of that year, the pollster gave Hillary a 90 percent chance of winning.) The latest Reuters/Ipsos poll has Biden up 48–35. The latest New York Times/Siena poll that has Biden up 14 points nationally over Trump. In the last poll conducted by Siena before the 2016 election (I don’t see any from June–July), Clinton carried a 17-point lead over Trump. In June of 2016, Fox News had Hillary with a 49–39 lead, and now it shows Biden with a 50–38 lead. In May 2016, USA Today/Suffolk poll had Hillary’s leading 50–39 percent. In June 2020, USA Today/Suffolk poll finds Biden leading 53–41 percent.

It’s difficult to conjure up a more precarious political environment for a national candidate than the one Trump finds himself in — due to both self-inflicted troubles and events out of his control — and yet the RCP average right now has Biden up over nine points. In July of 2016, a CNN/ORC poll had Trump down 52–43. In August of 2016, Quinnipiac had him down 51–41, and McClatchy/Marist had him down 48–33.

Plenty of polls, it’s true, showed a closer race, but even some of those had obvious problems. An NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll in late June 2016 had Clinton up 46–41 percent, with the Libertarian Party’s Gary Johnson and Green Party’s Jill Stein winning 16 percent of the vote combined. They ended up with around 4 percent in a contest in which both major candidates were personally unpopular.

It’s also true that national polls are about as useful as the “popular vote.” State polls, however, were hardly better — and quite similar in 2016 to 2020.

RCP average of Pennsylvania in July of 2016 found Hillary up by over a seven-point spread. Right now, Biden is up seven points. The last poll CBS News/YouGov conducted in the state had Hillary winning 48–40; the last New York Times/Siena poll, 46–39; the last Bloomberg poll 48–39; and the last NBC/Wall Street Journal/Marist poll, 49–37.

In the final Wisconsin RCP average spread, which remained consistent throughout the election, had Hillary ended up over six points. Biden is up over six points right now in the RCP average.



Trump supporters are the ones who need to get real. This is not 2016.

Biden is not as unpopular as Hillary Clinton was. Clinton's negatives were 59% which were nearly as bad as Trump's. Biden is nowhere near that. Plus the fact that Biden got more votes in the primaries than Clinton did in 2016.

Trump has a record to defend. His leadership on the coronavirus has been a unmitigated disaster. His race baiting in the wake of Floyd's killing has been appalling. Voters disagree with nearly every position he has taken. They are tired of his divisive and nasty rhetoric.

In 2018, the polls correctly picked up the Democrat surge in 2018. That is every poll except Rasmussen. They were off by 10 points.


No...the lies about Trump's response to the Chinese Flu have been massive....as the democrat governors put infected patients in nursing homes......those deaths accounted for 50% of the Chinese Flu deaths....democrat party governors killed those people, not Trump. And the democrats all attacked Trump for his travel ban on China........

No you are the one lying. Trump's rush to open back up has resulted in a spike in coronavirus cases among states that followed his advise. Trump has done very little to help states fight the coronavirus. I remember how the federal stockpile went from being the a stockpile that can be used by the states is suddenly the federal government's. Trump's response has been a disaster from start to finish. His travel ban was too little too late.
 
Let’s see...

Rasmussen has the highest Trump ratings of all polls and had the lowest Obama ratings of all polls

What does that tell us?

They were the most accurate to the actual results of the 2016 election?
Actually, they weren’t even close

 
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No you are the one lying. Trump's rush to open back up has resulted in a spike in coronavirus cases among states that followed his advise. Trump has done very little to help states fight the coronavirus. I remember how the federal stockpile went from being the a stockpile that can be used by the states is suddenly the federal government's. Trump's response has been a disaster from start to finish. His travel ban was too little too late.
TDS is alive and well so why are you complaining?
 

And before you TDS Sufferers poo-poo the Rasmussen Poll, as is customary note:

No other pollster tracked by RealClearPolitics came as close to the final results. "The media created a false narrative about the 2016 presidential campaign, and most polling reinforced it," {AND THEY ARE DOING IT AGAIN!!!!}


And this is backed up by:

______________________________________________________________________________

I have never seen anyone put through so much Hell as Don Trump. The attacks, the attempted coups---have been going on since before he took office. He still managed to build the greatest economy in history, including for Blacks and Hispanics; endured a fraudulent impeachment; started no new wars, ended one and is about to end another--our longest in history....and has had to deal with a Chinese Disease and a Diseased New York Media...and he is still doing better today than Barack Hussein Obama was doing on the same day in his Presidency.

Remarkable.

If he could just find a cure for Trump Derangement Syndrome. He will, but it looks like it will take until January of 2025.

_______
Rasmussen not credible. They are over the top trumpanzees, and their polling is loaded with pro-trump bias.
/----/ Any facts to back that up, or just more of your dopey opinion and TDS?
 

And before you TDS Sufferers poo-poo the Rasmussen Poll, as is customary note:

No other pollster tracked by RealClearPolitics came as close to the final results. "The media created a false narrative about the 2016 presidential campaign, and most polling reinforced it," {AND THEY ARE DOING IT AGAIN!!!!}


And this is backed up by:

______________________________________________________________________________

I have never seen anyone put through so much Hell as Don Trump. The attacks, the attempted coups---have been going on since before he took office. He still managed to build the greatest economy in history, including for Blacks and Hispanics; endured a fraudulent impeachment; started no new wars, ended one and is about to end another--our longest in history....and has had to deal with a Chinese Disease and a Diseased New York Media...and he is still doing better today than Barack Hussein Obama was doing on the same day in his Presidency.

Remarkable.

If he could just find a cure for Trump Derangement Syndrome. He will, but it looks like it will take until January of 2025.

_______

Nope. Polls are fake news. You guys said so


Well...there is this....

In the first week of July 2016, Reuters/Ipsos had Clinton up 44–33 (in November of that year, the pollster gave Hillary a 90 percent chance of winning.) The latest Reuters/Ipsos poll has Biden up 48–35. The latest New York Times/Siena poll that has Biden up 14 points nationally over Trump. In the last poll conducted by Siena before the 2016 election (I don’t see any from June–July), Clinton carried a 17-point lead over Trump. In June of 2016, Fox News had Hillary with a 49–39 lead, and now it shows Biden with a 50–38 lead. In May 2016, USA Today/Suffolk poll had Hillary’s leading 50–39 percent. In June 2020, USA Today/Suffolk poll finds Biden leading 53–41 percent.

It’s difficult to conjure up a more precarious political environment for a national candidate than the one Trump finds himself in — due to both self-inflicted troubles and events out of his control — and yet the RCP average right now has Biden up over nine points. In July of 2016, a CNN/ORC poll had Trump down 52–43. In August of 2016, Quinnipiac had him down 51–41, and McClatchy/Marist had him down 48–33.

Plenty of polls, it’s true, showed a closer race, but even some of those had obvious problems. An NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll in late June 2016 had Clinton up 46–41 percent, with the Libertarian Party’s Gary Johnson and Green Party’s Jill Stein winning 16 percent of the vote combined. They ended up with around 4 percent in a contest in which both major candidates were personally unpopular.

It’s also true that national polls are about as useful as the “popular vote.” State polls, however, were hardly better — and quite similar in 2016 to 2020.

RCP average of Pennsylvania in July of 2016 found Hillary up by over a seven-point spread. Right now, Biden is up seven points. The last poll CBS News/YouGov conducted in the state had Hillary winning 48–40; the last New York Times/Siena poll, 46–39; the last Bloomberg poll 48–39; and the last NBC/Wall Street Journal/Marist poll, 49–37.

In the final Wisconsin RCP average spread, which remained consistent throughout the election, had Hillary ended up over six points. Biden is up over six points right now in the RCP average.



Trump supporters are the ones who need to get real. This is not 2016.

Biden is not as unpopular as Hillary Clinton was. Clinton's negatives were 59% which were nearly as bad as Trump's. Biden is nowhere near that. Plus the fact that Biden got more votes in the primaries than Clinton did in 2016.

Trump has a record to defend. His leadership on the coronavirus has been a unmitigated disaster. His race baiting in the wake of Floyd's killing has been appalling. Voters disagree with nearly every position he has taken. They are tired of his divisive and nasty rhetoric.

In 2018, the polls correctly picked up the Democrat surge in 2018. That is every poll except Rasmussen. They were off by 10 points.


No...the lies about Trump's response to the Chinese Flu have been massive....as the democrat governors put infected patients in nursing homes......those deaths accounted for 50% of the Chinese Flu deaths....democrat party governors killed those people, not Trump. And the democrats all attacked Trump for his travel ban on China........

No you are the one lying. Trump's rush to open back up has resulted in a spike in coronavirus cases among states that followed his advise. Trump has done very little to help states fight the coronavirus. I remember how the federal stockpile went from being the a stockpile that can be used by the states is suddenly the federal government's. Trump's response has been a disaster from start to finish. His travel ban was too little too late.
/----/ " Trump's rush to open back up has resulted in a spike "
Trump hasn't opened up anything except a huge can of Whop-ass on you libtards. Ya think the Governors are calling the shots?
acting stupid.jpg
 

And before you TDS Sufferers poo-poo the Rasmussen Poll, as is customary note:

No other pollster tracked by RealClearPolitics came as close to the final results. "The media created a false narrative about the 2016 presidential campaign, and most polling reinforced it," {AND THEY ARE DOING IT AGAIN!!!!}


And this is backed up by:

______________________________________________________________________________

I have never seen anyone put through so much Hell as Don Trump. The attacks, the attempted coups---have been going on since before he took office. He still managed to build the greatest economy in history, including for Blacks and Hispanics; endured a fraudulent impeachment; started no new wars, ended one and is about to end another--our longest in history....and has had to deal with a Chinese Disease and a Diseased New York Media...and he is still doing better today than Barack Hussein Obama was doing on the same day in his Presidency.

Remarkable.

If he could just find a cure for Trump Derangement Syndrome. He will, but it looks like it will take until January of 2025.

_______

Nope. Polls are fake news. You guys said so


Well...there is this....

In the first week of July 2016, Reuters/Ipsos had Clinton up 44–33 (in November of that year, the pollster gave Hillary a 90 percent chance of winning.) The latest Reuters/Ipsos poll has Biden up 48–35. The latest New York Times/Siena poll that has Biden up 14 points nationally over Trump. In the last poll conducted by Siena before the 2016 election (I don’t see any from June–July), Clinton carried a 17-point lead over Trump. In June of 2016, Fox News had Hillary with a 49–39 lead, and now it shows Biden with a 50–38 lead. In May 2016, USA Today/Suffolk poll had Hillary’s leading 50–39 percent. In June 2020, USA Today/Suffolk poll finds Biden leading 53–41 percent.

It’s difficult to conjure up a more precarious political environment for a national candidate than the one Trump finds himself in — due to both self-inflicted troubles and events out of his control — and yet the RCP average right now has Biden up over nine points. In July of 2016, a CNN/ORC poll had Trump down 52–43. In August of 2016, Quinnipiac had him down 51–41, and McClatchy/Marist had him down 48–33.

Plenty of polls, it’s true, showed a closer race, but even some of those had obvious problems. An NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll in late June 2016 had Clinton up 46–41 percent, with the Libertarian Party’s Gary Johnson and Green Party’s Jill Stein winning 16 percent of the vote combined. They ended up with around 4 percent in a contest in which both major candidates were personally unpopular.

It’s also true that national polls are about as useful as the “popular vote.” State polls, however, were hardly better — and quite similar in 2016 to 2020.

RCP average of Pennsylvania in July of 2016 found Hillary up by over a seven-point spread. Right now, Biden is up seven points. The last poll CBS News/YouGov conducted in the state had Hillary winning 48–40; the last New York Times/Siena poll, 46–39; the last Bloomberg poll 48–39; and the last NBC/Wall Street Journal/Marist poll, 49–37.

In the final Wisconsin RCP average spread, which remained consistent throughout the election, had Hillary ended up over six points. Biden is up over six points right now in the RCP average.



Trump supporters are the ones who need to get real. This is not 2016.

Biden is not as unpopular as Hillary Clinton was. Clinton's negatives were 59% which were nearly as bad as Trump's. Biden is nowhere near that. Plus the fact that Biden got more votes in the primaries than Clinton did in 2016.

Trump has a record to defend. His leadership on the coronavirus has been a unmitigated disaster. His race baiting in the wake of Floyd's killing has been appalling. Voters disagree with nearly every position he has taken. They are tired of his divisive and nasty rhetoric.

In 2018, the polls correctly picked up the Democrat surge in 2018. That is every poll except Rasmussen. They were off by 10 points.
/----/ True, Dementia Joe is more popular than Hildabeast, but he won't be able to withstand a two-hour debate with Trump and you know it. Why is Dementia Joe hiding?
 
Let’s see...

Rasmussen has the highest Trump ratings of all polls and had the lowest Obama ratings of all polls

What does that tell us?

They were the most accurate to the actual results of the 2016 election?
Actually, they weren’t even close

Actually, they were.


On its final poll released Nov. 7, the day before Election Day, Rasmussen had Hillary Clinton up 2 points on Donald Trump. Clinton won the popular vote by 1 percentage point, even though Donald Trump beat her on electoral votes.

No other pollster tracked by RealClearPolitics came as close to the final results.

"The media created a false narrative about the 2016 presidential campaign, and most polling reinforced it," Rasmussen wrote on its website Thursday. "Our polling showed that issues, not the media-fed controversies, would ultimately decide the election."

 
Let’s see...

Rasmussen has the highest Trump ratings of all polls and had the lowest Obama ratings of all polls

What does that tell us?

They were the most accurate to the actual results of the 2016 election?
Actually, they weren’t even close

538 gave Trump a 5% chance of winning. :laughing0301:
 
And four years later....don’t you think pollsters have learned something and adjusted their methods after such an embarrassment?

Hell no, they rig polls to favor Dems and have been doing it for 40 years.

In 2018, Rasmussen Reports predicted that Republicans would win the generic ballot by 1 percentage point while the actual election results had Democrats winning by nearly 9 percentage points. This error of nearly 10 percentage points was the largest polling error out of major firms who polled the national generic ballot

Meaningless. :itsok:
 

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