Trump Announces Phony New Health Care ‘Plan’

[DukeU]

I don’t support a healthcare system based on for profit insurance. It clearly doesn’t work.

Especially with all the regulations. Let the companies compete and the prices will go down dramatically.

 

[airplanemechanic]

So let's pass a healthcare plan that makes it against the law to NOT join, and then fines you if you don't and then brag about how many people obtained "health care" because of a gov't mandated unconstitutional plan.

I'd rather Trump just sign of a couple of EO's than go the democrat route.

 

[DukeU]

I don’t support a healthcare system based on for profit insurance. It clearly doesn’t work.

Also....... For profit works everytime. In a real competition, you HAVE to provide a good product IF you want to make a profit. Otherwise you don't last very long.

 

[dblack]

So let's pass a healthcare plan that makes it against the law to NOT join, and then fines you if you don't and then brag about how many people obtained "health care" because of a gov't mandated unconstitutional plan.

I'd rather Trump just sign of a couple of EO's than go the democrat route.

I'll pass on both, thanks.

 

[Brain357]

Everybody supports pre existing conditions coverage.

Really?!? This is the type stuff that drives healthcare costs through the roof. Imagine being able to pick up car insurance After you have had an accident. Not a good idea.

It was going through the roof long before.

So might as well turn it up to eleven, eh?

Been on 11 for many years.

Nihilist much? Do you want to make it better, or worse?

I don’t see trumps executive orders making it better.

We were talking about the policy of forcing coverage of pre-existing conditions. You were defending it. Remember?

Or, well - Oh, I see. You've been cornered and now you want to change the subject. Ok, fair enough.

You seem confused. What did I say exactly?

Walk it back. Good call.

Again you seem confused. What comment am I walking back? This is a short thread.

Alright. Fine. Perhaps I misread you. Let's start over. Do you support mandating coverage of pre-existing conditions?

I don’t support a healthcare system based on for profit insurance. It clearly doesn’t work.

That doesn't answer the question, does it?

Sure it does. In a for profit healthcare system based on insurance it makes no sense. It’s like buying car insurance after an accident.

 

[Brain357]

I don’t support a healthcare system based on for profit insurance. It clearly doesn’t work.

Also....... For profit works everytime. In a real competition, you HAVE to provide a good product IF you want to make a profit. Otherwise you don't last very long.

Not in healthcare. Nobody is shopping price and quality when in the ambulance. Markets don’t work for healthcare.

 

[dblack]

Sure it does. In a for profit healthcare system based on insurance it makes no sense. It’s like buying car insurance after an accident.

Uh huh.

Do you support the mandates (either the one in ACA, or Trump's EO) requiring insurance companies to cover pre-existing conditions? Because that's what Duke was talking about. That's what you responded to. You dismissed his concern that it would drive prices through the roof. You seemed to be defending it. Were you? Or were you just making a pithy comment for no reason?

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

The greatest nation in the world just cannot figure out affordable healthcare. Everybody supports pre existing conditions coverage.

Everybody supports pre existing conditions coverage.

I don't...It ceases being insurance at that point.

But it's true, most people do support it. And that's exactly why we're so screwed. Next thing, they'll be demanding a $50/hr minimum wage, and the illogic of it won't even occur to them.

Simple solution: expand Medicare – government has the authority to cover pre-existing conditions with its own health insurance program.

Private insurers can go back to being private insurers and get out of healthcare ‘maintenance’ – which they do very poorly.

With Medicare expansion, private insurers can refuse to cover pre-existing condition, charge whatever they want, and drop coverage for whatever capricious reason.

 

[Oddball]

The greatest nation in the world just cannot figure out affordable healthcare. Everybody supports pre existing conditions coverage.

Everybody supports pre existing conditions coverage.

I don't...It ceases being insurance at that point.

But it's true, most people do support it. And that's exactly why we're so screwed. Next thing, they'll be demanding a $50/hr minimum wage, and the illogic of it won't even occur to them.

Simple solution: expand Medicare – government has the authority to cover pre-existing conditions with its own health insurance program.

Private insurers can go back to being private insurers and get out of healthcare ‘maintenance’ – which they do very poorly.

With Medicare expansion, private insurers can refuse to cover pre-existing condition, charge whatever they want, and drop coverage for whatever capricious reason.

Simpler solution: end Medicare and Medicaid.

 

[dblack]

The greatest nation in the world just cannot figure out affordable healthcare. Everybody supports pre existing conditions coverage.

Everybody supports pre existing conditions coverage.

I don't...It ceases being insurance at that point.

But it's true, most people do support it. And that's exactly why we're so screwed. Next thing, they'll be demanding a $50/hr minimum wage, and the illogic of it won't even occur to them.

Simple solution: expand Medicare – government has the authority to cover pre-existing conditions with its own health insurance program.

Private insurers can go back to being private insurers and get out of healthcare ‘maintenance’ – which they do very poorly.

With Medicare expansion, private insurers can refuse to cover pre-existing condition, charge whatever they want, and drop coverage for whatever capricious reason.

Simpler solution: end Medicare and Medicaid.

Simple solutions are awesome!

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

I don’t support a healthcare system based on for profit insurance. It clearly doesn’t work.

Also....... For profit works everytime. In a real competition, you HAVE to provide a good product IF you want to make a profit. Otherwise you don't last very long.

Not in healthcare. Nobody is shopping price and quality when in the ambulance. Markets don’t work for healthcare.

Exactly – spot on.

There will forever be millions of low-income Americans who can’t afford health insurance and will have no access to affordable healthcare whatever the price or costs the market might realize.

It’s naïve to believe otherwise.

 

[dblack]

I don’t support a healthcare system based on for profit insurance. It clearly doesn’t work.

Also....... For profit works everytime. In a real competition, you HAVE to provide a good product IF you want to make a profit. Otherwise you don't last very long.

Not in healthcare. Nobody is shopping price and quality when in the ambulance. Markets don’t work for healthcare.

Exactly – spot on.

There will forever be millions of low-income Americans who can’t afford health insurance and will have no access to affordable healthcare whatever the price or costs the market might realize.

It’s naïve to believe otherwise.

People should be free to decide for themselves how to manage their own health care.

 

[DukeU]

In a for profit healthcare system based on insurance it makes no sense.

Makes plenty of sense. Same as it does with every other product. Gov't. regulations are the only thing that corrupt the system, well that and insurance fraud.

 

[Oddball]

I don’t support a healthcare system based on for profit insurance. It clearly doesn’t work.

Also....... For profit works everytime. In a real competition, you HAVE to provide a good product IF you want to make a profit. Otherwise you don't last very long.

Not in healthcare. Nobody is shopping price and quality when in the ambulance. Markets don’t work for healthcare.

Exactly – spot on.

There will forever be millions of low-income Americans who can’t afford health insurance and will have no access to affordable healthcare whatever the price or costs the market might realize.

It’s naïve to believe otherwise.

Or you'd be a stone liar to believe this dreck....Which you are.

A live hospital birth in the 1940s cost the equivalent of $500 in today's money....It has only been through the vigorous intervention in the marketplace by Medicare that has spurred costs into the stratosphere.

 

[DukeU]

Nobody is shopping price and quality when in the ambulance.

LOL. Yea, i would agree it's not a good time to shop while in an ambulance. Good Grief, it's no wonder our healthcare is screwed up with comments like that.

 

[DukeU]

People should be free to decide for themselves how to manage their own health care.

And, decide whether they want to pay for someone else's.

 

[DukeU]

Or you'd be a stone liar to believe this dreck....Which you are.

A live hospital birth in the 1940s cost the equivalent of $500 in today's money....It has only been through the vigorous intervention in the marketplace by Medicare that has spurred costs into the stratosphere.

Exactly......

 

[debbiedowner]

Slogans and toothless executive orders don’t pay anyone’s doctor bills.

President Donald Trump really, really wants to fool voters into thinking he has a plan to make the health care system great again. But he really, really doesn’t.

In Charlotte, North Carolina, on Thursday, Trump signed executive orders he claims address two of the biggest concerns Americans have about the health care system: coverage for people with preexisting conditions and surprise medical bills.

The orders don’t do anything about anything, though. It’s just more vaporware from the Trump administration. Slogans, lies and exaggerations aren’t policies. Trump pitched his phantom plan by saying it rests on three pillars: “more choice,” “lower costs,” and “better care,” and that it would “put patients first.”

Those focus-group-tested slogans sound great! Except they’re hogwash.

Executive orders like these are little more than campaign press releases printed on fancier stationery. Since Trump doesn’t have the interest or patience to actually work with Congress to make laws, he tosses off toothless executive orders and farms out his Obamacare repeal efforts to a court system he’s packed with his own judges.

There’s no evidence that Trump cares about health care at all beyond his intense desire to undo anything President Barack Obama did in office. Has there been anything about Trump’s response to the novel coronavirus pandemic to suggest that the health and well-being of Americans is a priority for him? Two hundred thousand dead say otherwise.

Much more...

Trump Announces Phony New Health Care 'Plan'

Slogans and toothless executive orders don't pay anyone's doctor bills.

www.huffpost.com

Trump is once again trying to "gaslight" Americans before the election with his phony new health care plan - at the same time he is trying to kill Obamacare in the Supreme Court.

Do the EO's cover pre-existing conditions...again?

He's covering his ass in case SCOTUS shoots down ACA in late spring. But has no other plans and the surprise medical bills are balance billing which he has to get the insurance companies to go along with.

Covering pre x won't do too many people any good if ACA is invalidated because they will not be able to afford insurance without the subsidies in the states without Medicaid expansion.

The $200 card for prescriptions is a joke since no one has agreed to it. This is just an election ploy for those who will believe.

 

[debbiedowner]

Slogans and toothless executive orders don’t pay anyone’s doctor bills.

President Donald Trump really, really wants to fool voters into thinking he has a plan to make the health care system great again. But he really, really doesn’t.

In Charlotte, North Carolina, on Thursday, Trump signed executive orders he claims address two of the biggest concerns Americans have about the health care system: coverage for people with preexisting conditions and surprise medical bills.

The orders don’t do anything about anything, though. It’s just more vaporware from the Trump administration. Slogans, lies and exaggerations aren’t policies. Trump pitched his phantom plan by saying it rests on three pillars: “more choice,” “lower costs,” and “better care,” and that it would “put patients first.”

Those focus-group-tested slogans sound great! Except they’re hogwash.

Executive orders like these are little more than campaign press releases printed on fancier stationery. Since Trump doesn’t have the interest or patience to actually work with Congress to make laws, he tosses off toothless executive orders and farms out his Obamacare repeal efforts to a court system he’s packed with his own judges.

There’s no evidence that Trump cares about health care at all beyond his intense desire to undo anything President Barack Obama did in office. Has there been anything about Trump’s response to the novel coronavirus pandemic to suggest that the health and well-being of Americans is a priority for him? Two hundred thousand dead say otherwise.

Much more...

Trump Announces Phony New Health Care 'Plan'

Slogans and toothless executive orders don't pay anyone's doctor bills.

www.huffpost.com

Trump is once again trying to "gaslight" Americans before the election with his phony new health care plan - at the same time he is trying to kill Obamacare in the Supreme Court.

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Of course his executive orders do nothing to improve or reduce the cost of healthcare insurance.

However, his devoted fanatics will swear it's the greatest thing since sliced bread, even though they know none of the details, because none exist. But this is typical for conservatives, people who believe they know everything about everything.


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sounds like you are describing the aca, you know, the stupid plan that penalized AMERICANS for not having insurance. if some one wants insurance, that should be an option. BARRAG o made AMERICANS pay a penalty....and you thought that was the next best thing to sliced bread---remember?

There hasn't been a penalty for a couple years and then there were 54 exemption's that people who were smart enough filled out the forms received the exemption. Guess you were just one of the smart ones.

 

[WTF19]

Slogans and toothless executive orders don’t pay anyone’s doctor bills.

President Donald Trump really, really wants to fool voters into thinking he has a plan to make the health care system great again. But he really, really doesn’t.

In Charlotte, North Carolina, on Thursday, Trump signed executive orders he claims address two of the biggest concerns Americans have about the health care system: coverage for people with preexisting conditions and surprise medical bills.

The orders don’t do anything about anything, though. It’s just more vaporware from the Trump administration. Slogans, lies and exaggerations aren’t policies. Trump pitched his phantom plan by saying it rests on three pillars: “more choice,” “lower costs,” and “better care,” and that it would “put patients first.”

Those focus-group-tested slogans sound great! Except they’re hogwash.

Executive orders like these are little more than campaign press releases printed on fancier stationery. Since Trump doesn’t have the interest or patience to actually work with Congress to make laws, he tosses off toothless executive orders and farms out his Obamacare repeal efforts to a court system he’s packed with his own judges.

There’s no evidence that Trump cares about health care at all beyond his intense desire to undo anything President Barack Obama did in office. Has there been anything about Trump’s response to the novel coronavirus pandemic to suggest that the health and well-being of Americans is a priority for him? Two hundred thousand dead say otherwise.

Much more...

Trump Announces Phony New Health Care 'Plan'

Slogans and toothless executive orders don't pay anyone's doctor bills.

www.huffpost.com

Trump is once again trying to "gaslight" Americans before the election with his phony new health care plan - at the same time he is trying to kill Obamacare in the Supreme Court.

.
Of course his executive orders do nothing to improve or reduce the cost of healthcare insurance.

However, his devoted fanatics will swear it's the greatest thing since sliced bread, even though they know none of the details, because none exist. But this is typical for conservatives, people who believe they know everything about everything.


.

sounds like you are describing the aca, you know, the stupid plan that penalized AMERICANS for not having insurance. if some one wants insurance, that should be an option. BARRAG o made AMERICANS pay a penalty....and you thought that was the next best thing to sliced bread---remember?

There hasn't been a penalty for a couple years and then there were 54 exemption's that people who were smart enough filled out the forms received the exemption. Guess you were just one of the smart ones.

you are correct, when TRUMP took over, the penalty disappeared. go figure