Trivia time: are classical and modern liberals similar?

[Oddball]

*Jeopardy theme plays*

The question is based on the erroneous assumption that liberal describes a particualr set of beliefs.

It doesn't.

Neither does conservative.

Both are terms RELATIVE to the state of society at the time.

Yeah that's right words ONLY have meaning in CONTEXT

We the floundering fathers liberals?

Sorta... given some of the things they supported like ending the monarchy

They were also conservative given that they choice a REPULICAN form of government with very limited DEMCORATIC franchising in it, too.

Absolute nonsense.

Classical liberals are for free markets, private property, self-ownership and minimal intervention from the state....Those principles haven't changed in centuries.

 

[Cuyo]

liberals = circumvent constitution
conservative = follow constitution

that's the modern definition. Deal with it.

When did "modern definition" become synonymous with "Childish soundbyte?"

 

[Sallow]

It had to be "made up" because socialist tools in the Democrat Party like you stole the term "liberal" back in the 1920s.

This is a true historical fact.

Try reading for comprehension some time.

So first you say I am lying and then next you say "It had to be made up".

Oh gosh.

I guess this line of reasoning is fine in your anarchist circles.

The lie was your bullshit about the term being created for "Conservatives (to) use to make themselves feel good about standing in the way of progress."

It was created because of the Orwellian propensity of socialists/progressives to bastardize the language....They stole and debauched the term, so real liberals had to distance themselves from the poseurs.

Conservatives and yourself are constantly playing word games. And it's funny you mention Orwell..who was against the type of Authoritarian governments..Conservatives favor.

And your particular form of "Anarchy" is rather transparent in that it favors giving power to the wealthy. As in while you may have a problem with the the Union's ability to collectively bargain, you have absolutely no problem with the government firing strikers..or cracking their heads if they are picketing a factory.

 

[Oddball]

The word "liberal" was hijacked by the socialist wing of the Democrat Party before either of us were born....This is a historical fact that you cannot deny.

Both Orwell and Rand pointed out endlessly that it is the totalitarians who need to bastardize and debauch the language.

The tired old ploy of screeching "ANARCHIST" is so utterly churlish and devoid of intellectual firepower to even bother with addressing.

 

[rightwinger]

"Classical" Liberal is a made up Conservative term that Conservatives use to make themselves feel good about standing in the way of progress.

Liberalism is a mindset that is constantly growing and changing.

To help..

lib·er·al   /ˈlɪbərəl, ˈlɪbrəl/ Show Spelled
[lib-er-uhl, lib-ruhl] Show IPA

–adjective
1. favorable to progress or reform, as in political or religious affairs.
2. ( often initial capital letter ) noting or pertaining to a political party advocating measures of progressive political reform.
3. of, pertaining to, based on, or advocating liberalism.
4. favorable to or in accord with concepts of maximum individual freedom possible, especially as guaranteed by law and secured by governmental protection of civil liberties.
5. favoring or permitting freedom of action, especially with respect to matters of personal belief or expression: a liberal policy toward dissident artists and writers.
6. of or pertaining to representational forms of government rather than aristocracies and monarchies.
7. free from prejudice or bigotry; tolerant: a liberal attitude toward foreigners.
8. open-minded or tolerant, especially free of or not bound by traditional or conventional ideas, values, etc.
9. characterized by generosity and willingness to give in large amounts: a liberal donor.
10. given freely or abundantly; generous: a liberal donation.
11. not strict or rigorous; free; not literal: a liberal interpretation of a rule.
12. of, pertaining to, or based on the liberal arts.
13. of, pertaining to, or befitting a freeman.
–noun
14. a person of liberal principles or views, especially in politics or religion.
15. ( often initial capital letter ) a member of a liberal party in politics, especially of the Liberal party in Great Britain.

And Conservative



Conservatives seek to preserve the traditional order. Conservatives love a powerful government dominated by leaders that are chosen by "divinity" or force. These sorts of governments include Monarchy, Aristocracy, Dictatorship, Theocracy and Plutocracy.

Liberals on the other hand favor government that are inclusive of the governed. Like in Democracy or Representative governments like Republics.

liberals = circumvent constitution
conservative = follow constitution

that's the modern definition. Deal with it.

Thats odd...

All I hear from Conservatives is how they want to change the Constitution

Liberals seem happy with the way it is written

 

[California Girl]

"Classical" Liberal is a made up Conservative term that Conservatives use to make themselves feel good about standing in the way of progress.

Liberalism is a mindset that is constantly growing and changing.

To help..



liberals = circumvent constitution
conservative = follow constitution

that's the modern definition. Deal with it.

Thats odd...

All I hear from Conservatives is how they want to change the Constitution

Liberals seem happy with the way it is written

That's because you're not very smart.

 

[Oddball]

And if being a fake socialist "liberal" is so great, why is it that the "liberals" are now trying to distance themselves from the term?

 

[Cuyo]

And if being a fake socialist "liberal" is so great, why is it that the "liberals" are now trying to distance themselves from the term?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2oOoCdFblc

If the original "Liberals" were so great, why do your people try to distance themselves from the word?

Why do you waste sooooo much time on semantics?

 

[xsited1]

Trivia time: are classical and modern liberals similar?

Many have already answered correctly, so no need to answer it again. But just to put in my 2 cents, it really irritates me that I cannot call myself a liberal because the socialist/marxist wackos have co-opted the word 'liberal' for their own use. Many modern-day liberals quote the dictionary definition and say, "this is what I believe!" which, of course, is totally wrong. Of course people have become wise to their little ruse which have prompted these little weasels to now call themselves 'Progressives' when they are not even remotely progressive. These people are just sad, angry and sometimes violent. They are anti-liberty and therefore un-American.

 

[Oddball]

And if being a fake socialist "liberal" is so great, why is it that the "liberals" are now trying to distance themselves from the term?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2oOoCdFblc

If the original "Liberals" were so great, why do your people try to distance themselves from the word?

Why do you waste sooooo much time on semantics?

Words are important and have meaning...That's why totalitarian thugs need to muddy the waters of language.

True old school liberals like myself merely have to make the distinction between ourselves and the post-modern Fabian socialist/progressive poseur "liberals".

 

[rightwinger]

What do our opponents mean when they apply to us the label “Liberal?” If by “Liberal” they mean, as they want people to believe, someone who is soft in his policies abroad, who is against local government, and who is unconcerned with the taxpayer’s dollar, then the record of this party and its members demonstrate that we are not that kind of “Liberal.” But if by a “Liberal” they mean someone who looks ahead and not behind, someone who welcomes new ideas without rigid reactions, someone who cares about the welfare of the people — their health, their housing, their schools, their jobs, their civil rights, and their civil liberties — someone who believes we can break through the stalemate and suspicions that grip us in our policies abroad, if that is what they mean by a “Liberal,” then I’m proud to say I’m a “Liberal.”

JFK 1960



Still holds true today

 

[Oddball]

Great strawman builder, that JFK.

 

[editec]

*Jeopardy theme plays*

The question is based on the erroneous assumption that liberal describes a particualr set of beliefs.

It doesn't.

Neither does conservative.

Both are terms RELATIVE to the state of society at the time.

Yeah that's right words ONLY have meaning in CONTEXT

We the floundering fathers liberals?

Sorta... given some of the things they supported like ending the monarchy

They were also conservative given that they choice a REPULICAN form of government with very limited DEMCORATIC franchising in it, too.

Absolute nonsense.

Classical liberals are for free markets, private property, self-ownership and minimal intervention from the state....Those principles haven't changed in centuries.

My mother might have warned you not to try to teach your grandfather how to suck eggs, Lad.

Declaring that todays branded liberals or conservatives are "similar to" the Floundering Fathers is childish sophistry.

 

[Oddball]

In the case of today's "liberals" you're right.

However the classical meaning of "liberal" is not relative to the state of any society at the given time....The precepts of freedom, free enterprise, property rights and self-ownership aren't subject to the whims of political fashion.

 

[rightwinger]

In the case of today's "liberals" you're right.

However the classical meaning of "liberal" is not relative to the state of any society at the given time....The precepts of freedom, free enterprise, property rights and self-ownership aren't subject to the whims of political fashion.

That is why liberals defend them and always have

 

[Liberty]

"Classical" Liberal is a made up Conservative term that Conservatives use to make themselves feel good about standing in the way of progress.

Liberalism is a mindset that is constantly growing and changing.

To help..



liberals = circumvent constitution
conservative = follow constitution

that's the modern definition. Deal with it.

Thats odd...

All I hear from Conservatives is how they want to change the Constitution

Liberals seem happy with the way it is written

changing it is fine if it is dont constitutionally. News flash: Changing the constitution is IN THE CONSTITUTION. That's what an amendment is numbnuts. Liberals want to circumventa nd ignore the constitution, conservatives seek change through legal means. That's what I was getting at but since you are mentally challenged I guess i cant expect you to understand simple shit like that.