Trig Palin, where's the birth record?

[Jon]

You forget your own words so quickly eh?

Exactly how did I accuse him of being a terrorist? I said, hypothetically, if he lied about his relationship with Ayers in the first part, how do we know he's not still lying?

Comparing Ayers to McVeigh isn't a fair comparison either way. One is a murderer, one isn't. One may of had the intent to kill others, but didn't do so.

He INTENDED to kill people but failed to. How's that different from actually succeeding?

Also, some reports say that the WU was responsible for a bombing in San Francisco that lead to a policeman's death. Some members were linked to a robbery that resulted in three deaths. Rather or not Ayers was a part of these acts is unknown, but he was active in the organization at the time.

Your the one who wants to punch Michelle Obama in the throat, that kills her then what?

Punching someone in the throat wouldn't kill them. It would shut them the hell up for a little while, though.

 

[Gray]

Comparing Ayers to McVeigh isn't a fair comparison either way. One is a murderer, one isn't. One may of had the intent to kill others, but didn't do so.

Your the one who wants to punch Michelle Obama in the throat, that kills her then what?

Ayers is of higher moral fiber because he intended to murder and failed?

Is he a better person for that?

The mind recoils..........

 

[Modbert]

Listen.....

The most important trait in a great leader is the ability to surround himself with brilliant people of high moral fiber.

No one can know everything.....and it is a sign of greatness that one can put his ego aside and draw upon the advice and wisdom of those he selected to aid him/her.

What is my point?

Think about it. In this venue Obama has failed miserably and lacks the ability to recognize brilliance and high morality.

This suggests he will surround himself with dullards and thugs. That kind of cabinet for a president could pose a very real threat to this nation.

If that's the case, then most Presidents have most likely failed "the most important trait."

Politics is full of dullards and thugs, it's the Candidate who you think has less favors owed to such dullards and thugs you want to elect.

 

[Modbert]

Ayers is of higher moral fiber because he intended to murder and failed?

Is he a better person for that?

The mind recoils..........

Never said he was a better person. However on the scale of disgust, he's not on the same as Timothy.

Never also said Ayers if of higher moral fiber.

However, there is a difference between murdering someone and not murdering someone. I think we can agree on that much no?

 

[Jon]

And do you mind proving this if you don't mind?

Prove what? That's she a socialist? Google "Michelle Obama and pie" and listen to her speech. She says I need to give up my piece of the pie so those less fortunate (mostly those lazier than me) can have more. That's socialism by definition.

 

[Jon]

However, there is a difference between murdering someone and not murdering someone. I think we can agree on that much no?

Yes, one makes one a murderer, one doesn't. But performing an act intended to kill people and failing doesn't make you any better a person than an actual murderer.

 

[Modbert]

Yes, one makes one a murderer, one doesn't. But performing an act intended to kill people and failing doesn't make you any better a person than an actual murderer.

Doesn't make you a better person, but it doesn't put you on the same level as said person.

 

[WillowTree]

Comparing Ayers to McVeigh isn't a fair comparison either way. One is a murderer, one isn't. One may of had the intent to kill others, but didn't do so.

Your the one who wants to punch Michelle Obama in the throat, that kills her then what?

that is the stupidest rationalization I have ever heard. He wanted to kill someone but he failed. that makes him honorable. Holy shit!

 

[Modbert]

Prove what? That's she a socialist? Google "Michelle Obama and pie" and listen to her speech. She says I need to give up my piece of the pie so those less fortunate (mostly those lazier than me) can have more. That's socialism by definition.

And what would you call taking money from the middle/poor class and giving it to the rich? Reverse Socialism? I call it Trickle down Economics.

 

[Modbert]

that is the stupidest rationalization I have ever heard. He wanted to kill someone but he failed. that makes him honorable. Holy shit!

Well if someone is a murderer and one isn't, big difference.

Are they any different in one being a better person? No.

But I find someone who killed women, children, and many others more disgusting then I do a man who failed at trying to kill people.

 

[Gray]

Never said he was a better person. However on the scale of disgust, he's not on the same as Timothy.

Never also said Ayers if of higher moral fiber.

However, there is a difference between murdering someone and not murdering someone. I think we can agree on that much no?

Actually.......no.

I have never agreed with the difference between attempted murder and murder.

The purpose of the criminal justice system is many-fold. To Protect the public by locking away offenders......to rehabilitate......to discourage criminal activity.

I see a lesser sentence for a failed murder attempt as nothing less than a reward for not taking a life when the intent was to do so.

Intent is all.

 

[Modbert]

Actually.......no.

I have never agreed with the difference between attempted murder and murder.

The purpose of the criminal justice system is many-fold. To Protect the public by locking away offenders......to rehabilitate......to discourage criminal activity.

I see a lesser sentence for a failed murder attempt as nothing less than a reward for not taking a life when the intent was to do so.

Intent is all.

Prisons do not rehabiliate, they do the first and third one however.

 

[Jon]

Well if someone is a murderer and one isn't, big difference.

Are they any different in one being a better person? No.

But I find someone who killed women, children, and many others more disgusting then I do a man who failed at trying to kill people.

So if I tried to kill a family member of yours and failed, and then someone came along and actually killed them: you'd hate them more than me?

That's some great logic you have there.

 

[Jon]

And what would you call taking money from the middle/poor class and giving it to the rich? Reverse Socialism? I call it Trickle down Economics.

Who's doing that? Even Bush's tax policy has the rich paying a higher percentage in taxes.

 

[Modbert]

So if I tried to kill a family member of yours and failed, and then someone came along and actually killed them: you'd hate them more than me?

That's some great logic you have there.

If you tried to kill a family member of mine and failed, you'd most likely be dead in the name of self-defense.

You would hate the person who kills your parents a little more then the person who tried to.

 

[Gray]

Prisons do not rehabiliate, they do the first and third one however.

Perhaps, it is one of the STATED intents, however.

Point is.....When someone acts, it is the intent that they follow through on.

If they fail.....they intent was the same. Why reward them for it with a lesser sentence?

 

[Gray]

And what would you call taking money from the middle/poor class and giving it to the rich? Reverse Socialism? I call it Trickle down Economics.

Perhaps you could elucidate on that a little.

 

[Modbert]

Perhaps, it is one of the STATED intents, however.

Point is.....When someone acts, it is the intent that they follow through on.

If they fail.....they intent was the same. Why reward them for it with a lesser sentence?

Stated intent and the truth are two different things, that much is true.

I personally don't agree with how our prison system is set up in general. I would end up restructuring it greatly if given the opportunity.

And you'd probably be surprised with some of the things I had in mind.

 

[chapstic]

And what would you call taking money from the middle/poor class and giving it to the rich? Reverse Socialism? I call it Trickle down Economics.

where are you trying to go with this one? you do realize the rich people are the ones who invest and create jobs. just because your job(if you even have a job) sucks doesn't mean everyone elses does.

 

[Jon]

where are you trying to go with this one? you do realize the rich people are the ones who invest and create jobs. just because your job(if you even have a job) sucks doesn't mean everyone elses does.

He's a 17 year old high school kid.