Trayvon was beating up Zimmerman MMA Style

[Ravi]

If Martin was following Zimmerman back to his vehicle, why would Martin being walking toward home?

 

[TheGreatGatsby]

Dude. This is nonsense. It shouldn't even be manslaughter let alone murder. Zimmerman's life was in danger. He was pinned, getting beaten, getting his freaking head against the pavement. If I had a gun, I would have used it to. A man has a right to protect himself against permanent bodily harm.

Witness Told Cops He Saw Trayvon Martin Straddling George Zimmerman And Punching Him "MMA Style" | The Smoking Gun

i suppose that's true if you leave out the whole zimmerman hunting unarmed black kids part of the story.

and we need another cheering thread for a killer because?

There are many killer supporters on this board, kind of scary. No evidence the victim even KNEW how to fight, lots of evidence the killer was violent. TWO CRIMINAL charges involving violence, one while drinking.

Trayvon paid a high price for his misguided actions. But he was not the victim. The indicators are that he initiated a fight and that he brutally beat Zimmerman in a way that threatened his life. That is why it was Zimmerman frantically yelling for help.

 

[Peach]

i suppose that's true if you leave out the whole zimmerman hunting unarmed black kids part of the story.

and we need another cheering thread for a killer because?

There are many killer supporters on this board, kind of scary. No evidence the victim even KNEW how to fight, lots of evidence the killer was violent. TWO CRIMINAL charges involving violence, one while drinking.

Yep, I have not even heard about him getting in fights at school.

Now, the 17 year old victim knew 'mixed martial arts'! The rabid justifications for the killer never cease. Writing about his amphetamine, and tranquilizer use is deemed "unfair", the fact the teenager had smoked pot, a deciding factor in the killer's guilt or innocence. Bizarre.

 

[JakeStarkey]

GZ threw away the defense argument went he got out of the care and pursued TM. TM was defending himself, and GZ, the dirty little coward, shot him. Well, I hope he knows how to fight in prison, or he is going to be as butt hurt as is this thread.

 

[TheGreatGatsby]

GZ threw away the defense argument went he got out of the care and pursued TM. TM was defending himself, and GZ, the dirty little coward, shot him. Well, I hope he knows how to fight in prison, or he is going to be as butt hurt as is this thread.

By that logic, anybody that takes an active interest in the safety of their neighborhood has no right to self defense.

Don't pretend to know law Jake. Self Defense occurs when a physical altercation occurs. Period. There's an attacker and a defender. Pursuing perceived mischief does not make one an attacker.

 

[Peach]

i suppose that's true if you leave out the whole zimmerman hunting unarmed black kids part of the story.

and we need another cheering thread for a killer because?

There are many killer supporters on this board, kind of scary. No evidence the victim even KNEW how to fight, lots of evidence the killer was violent. TWO CRIMINAL charges involving violence, one while drinking.

Trayvon paid a high price for his misguided actions. But he was not the victim. The indicators are that he initiated a fight and that he brutally beat Zimmerman in a way that threatened his life. That is why it was Zimmerman frantically yelling for help.

The photos of Zimmerman reflect only minor injuries, he was questioned at the police station, and did not seek medical attention until the next DAY.

 

[JakeStarkey]

GZ threw away the defense argument went he got out of the care and pursued TM. TM was defending himself, and GZ, the dirty little coward, shot him. Well, I hope he knows how to fight in prison, or he is going to be as butt hurt as is this thread.

Don't pretend to know law Jake. Self Defense occurs when a physical altercation occurs. Period. There's an attacker and a defender. Pursuing perceived mischief does not make one an attacker.

You just projected your ignorance on me. You clearly do not understand that he cannot reclaim defense when he was the pursuer and became a threat and offender to TM. You clearly have no idea what you are discussing. Not one of twenty-two witnesses can say who struck the first blow.

 

[Caroljo]

Hunting? He was patrolling the neighborhood. He doesn't have that right? Are we living in the USSR now? Given that GZ was getting beaten and YOU KNOW THAT now. Who do you think was yelling for help? Who do you think was the attacker? You're just a racist that can't admit the truth.

He wasn't patrolling the neighborhood or so he claimed the night this happened, because when he patrolled the neighborhood for block watch he claims he never brought his gun with him. He isn't a Cop, Trayvon didn't commit a crime, and Zimmerman followed him and posed a threat to Trayvon, not the other way around......
And you are racist for assuming it was Martin, the one without the history of violence, without the history of attacking first and thinking later. And a voice expert said it was Martin's voice not Zimmerman.

I hate to break this to you, Luissa but the so called "voice expert" seems to be 100% incorrect. USA Today reported today that Trayvon Martin's own father stated to police that the voice screaming for help on the audio tape was not his son.

I just saw that on NBC news tonight...they showed his father saying "no" it wasn't his son yelling for help. Wonder how this one will spin!

 

[TheGreatGatsby]

GZ threw away the defense argument went he got out of the care and pursued TM. TM was defending himself, and GZ, the dirty little coward, shot him. Well, I hope he knows how to fight in prison, or he is going to be as butt hurt as is this thread.

Don't pretend to know law Jake. Self Defense occurs when a physical altercation occurs. Period. There's an attacker and a defender. Pursuing perceived mischief does not make one an attacker.

You just projected your ignorance on me. You clearly do not understand that he cannot reclaim defense when he was the pursuer and became a threat and offender to TM. You clearly have no idea what you are discussing. Not one of twenty-two witnesses can say who struck the first blow.

If you don't know, then you can't prove murder. Seems that you are the one projecting ignorance.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

"The man recalled seeing “a black male, wearing a dark colored ‘hoodie’ on top of a white or Hispanic male who was yelling for help.” The black male, he added, “was mounted on the white or Hispanic male and throwing punches ‘MMA (mixed martial arts) style.'”"]The man recalled seeing “a black male, wearing a dark colored ‘hoodie’ on top of a white or Hispanic male who was yelling for help.” The black male, he added, “was mounted on the white or Hispanic male and throwing punches ‘MMA (mixed martial arts) style.'”

Dude. This is nonsense. It shouldn't even be manslaughter let alone murder. Zimmerman's life was in danger. He was pinned, getting beaten, getting his freaking head against the pavement. If I had a gun, I would have used it to. A man has a right to protect himself against permanent bodily harm.

Witness Told Cops He Saw Trayvon Martin Straddling George Zimmerman And Punching Him "MMA Style" | The Smoking Gun

i suppose that's true if you leave out the whole zimmerman hunting unarmed black kids part of the story.

and we need another cheering thread for a killer because?

Hunting? LOL!

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

And he wouldn't have been getting the shit beat out of him if he had minded his own business.

Or if Trayvon hadn't been kicked out of school.
I blame the teachers union.

 

[Caroljo]

There are many killer supporters on this board, kind of scary. No evidence the victim even KNEW how to fight, lots of evidence the killer was violent. TWO CRIMINAL charges involving violence, one while drinking.

Yep, I have not even heard about him getting in fights at school.

It is rare to see murder defendants so very popular with Americans.

How about the serial killers that everyone that knew them seemed to think were such nice guys???
Like........

Dahmer
Gacy
Bundy

 

[Peach]

Don't pretend to know law Jake. Self Defense occurs when a physical altercation occurs. Period. There's an attacker and a defender. Pursuing perceived mischief does not make one an attacker.

You just projected your ignorance on me. You clearly do not understand that he cannot reclaim defense when he was the pursuer and became a threat and offender to TM. You clearly have no idea what you are discussing. Not one of twenty-two witnesses can say who struck the first blow.

If you don't know, then you can't prove murder. Seems that you are the one projecting ignorance.

If you were there, get in touch with the SP.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

And another witness said it was Zimmerman on top beating Martin....in all likelihood they were in a fight and Martin was fighting for his life. He lost.

The reports listed that Martin had wounds, one on his eye. Zimmerman's wounds did not look consistent with getting his head banged repeatedly on a sidewalk. More like scratches.

If someone threatened me with a gun I'd go down fighting.

Nope. You won't be able to post a source that says that. That's just a lie.

Another witness saw a "broad man" on top hitting another. The evidence list shows Zimmerman wore a size 38. His shirt was red.

"First we heard like a howling sound. And then the second time we heard a more-clearly 'help' sound," the witness said. "I know after seeing the TV of what's happening — comparing their pictures — I think Zimmerman is definitely on top because of his size."

Evidence released in Florida shooting

I think Zimmerman is definitely on top because of his size.

I'm sure we'll see the pictures of Treyvon with the injuries he must have received, you know, when he was on the bottom, getting beat up. I wonder why they haven't been released already? They mentioned his skinned knuckle, but no facial injuries.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Either way, Zimmerman initiated the incident, too bad he had to use a gun when Martin fought back..I guess one shouldn't follow people who do not commit crimes and play Policeman.

I think I am going to go follow someone, and when they have a problem with it I will shoot them. (kidding)

Either way, Zimmerman initiated the incident

I can walk behind you and you still have no right to hit me. Sorry.

 

[Oldstyle]

Would have followed this kid and confronted him with "what are you doing around here" and not expect to get your ass kicked considering were he lived? You are missing the point. Trayvon did not stalk Zimmerman and attacked him because he was white,etc.
Injuries to his head did not come from his head being bashed into the side walk. What the fuck was zimerman doing when he as being punched and head being banged. How many hands did trayvon have? He probably got the stratches from falling and not from being banged into the side walk. Consistents with his fat ass falling on the grass. Banged his head into concret while punching him? He also had his hands pinned down but Zimmerman had another hand that reached for he gun?
Stand your ground and self defense do not apply when you stalk, confront and start a fight and get you ass kicked.
Zimmerman is trying to say he "retreated" and then was attacked. BS. Time and distance do not give that any credibility.

Zimerman had spun his own web by he talking too much and when you lie you tell another lie to cover that lie and on and on . Every one he has told his tale to has been a different tale.

If...as the eyewitness has contended...Martin was astride Zimmerman "MMA style" throwing punches...then it would seem that Martin was using his legs to pin Zimmerman's arms so that he'd be unable to block punches to his face. Good fight strategy unless the person you're fighting happens to be carrying a gun that he can reach despite having his arms pinned.

As for time and distance? There is a substantial amount of time (over five minutes) between the point when Zimmerman tells the police dispatcher that Martin has gone behind some houses and he's going to get out of his SUV and follow him and when the fight occurs and the shot is fired. If you've looked at diagrams of the scene with corresponding times for when different events took place it's hard to understand how Martin is not back at his father's girlfriend's house LONG before Zimmerman gets off the phone with the police, gets out of his SUV and follows. It's literally a little over a hundred yards from the corner where Zimmerman says Martin just went out of sight to the girlfriend's door. So you've got a 17 year old football player who couldn't cover that distance in that amount of time and instead of being safe inside the girlfriend's place is just a few yards from the corner that he turned five minutes earlier? I'm kind of a logical person and I can't make sense of this if Trayvon was trying to get away from Zimmerman because he could have done so easily. The only way I can make the scenario work is if Martin either stops and waits for Zimmerman there at the corner...or sees him following...stops and goes backwards to confront him.

No evidence he went back to his car and trayvon followed him. why would trayvon follow him when he was trying to get away from him? he girl on the phone is the most credible witness of all because she heard the confrontation. Eye witness said they were "wrestling?" Not banging his head into the concret or punching him.

Incident would have put him in threat of imminent bodiy harm to use the stand your ground and self defense and injuries to zimmerman do not prove that and injuries on trayvon's fist do not prove that either. Zimmerman was not in imminent bodily harm at no time. A few scratches on his head and face and a fractured nose is not enough for him to feel his life was in danger. Unless he was hallucinating on Adderall.

Trayvon was "shit he's running" Zimmerman own word, running away from him not toward him.And he gets out of his car and follows him and confront him.

I never said that Zimmerman went back to his car. I said that after telling the police that he was going to follow Martin, Zimmerman got out of his SUV and went the same way as Martin had gone. The killing took place some thirty yards from where Zimmerman's SUV was parked, around the corner. Now if, as you have claimed, Martin WAS running away from Zimmerman he's got a thirty yard head start to the corner and that's before Zimmerman even gets out of the SUV to follow. So you're telling me that middle-aged and kind of pudgy George runs down 17 year old football player, Trayvon with a 30 yard head start and he's got to get out of his SUV first? When the house that Trayvon is running to is only down at the end of the block? Really? I'm having a hard time making that scenario WORK. Unless George Zimmerman is an Olympic sprinter in his spare time and nobody knows this...if Trayvon really was running away and kept on running he's almost TO the house before Georgie turns the corner. But he's not. He's AT the corner when Zimmerman follows, apparently waiting for Zimmerman and bracing him about why he's being followed. Should that be surprising since Martin had already confronted Zimmerman IN the SUV, prompting the neighborhood watchman to roll up his window?

As for the "credibility" of Trayvon's girlfriend? She said that she "heard" Zimmerman push Trayvon. Want to explain to me how you can "hear" a push over the phone and know who it was that was pushing who? The girlfriend's audio is important however because of what it DOES prove and that is when Trayvon is heard confronting Zimmerman.

 

[Defiant1]

There are many killer supporters on this board, kind of scary. No evidence the victim even KNEW how to fight, lots of evidence the killer was violent. TWO CRIMINAL charges involving violence, one while drinking.

Trayvon paid a high price for his misguided actions. But he was not the victim. The indicators are that he initiated a fight and that he brutally beat Zimmerman in a way that threatened his life. That is why it was Zimmerman frantically yelling for help.

The photos of Zimmerman reflect only minor injuries, he was questioned at the police station, and did not seek medical attention until the next DAY.

That's what happens when you shoot the person beating you before they can inflict more damage to your body.

Should Zimmerman have waited until he had sustained more injuries before drawing his weapon and protecting himself?

 

[JakeStarkey]

You just projected your ignorance on me. You clearly do not understand that he cannot reclaim defense when he was the pursuer and became a threat and offender to TM. You clearly have no idea what you are discussing. Not one of twenty-two witnesses can say who struck the first blow.

If you don't know, then you can't prove murder. Seems that you are the one projecting ignorance.

If you were there, get in touch with the SP.

TGG doesn't know anything. I have said from the beginning, that based on what we know and don't know, that 2nd degree murder probably is not going to fly, and the DA will use the threat to get GZ to plead to voluntary manslaughter. TGG is more butt hurt in this argument than the beating GZ took.

 

[Peach]

Either way, Zimmerman initiated the incident, too bad he had to use a gun when Martin fought back..I guess one shouldn't follow people who do not commit crimes and play Policeman.

I think I am going to go follow someone, and when they have a problem with it I will shoot them. (kidding)

Either way, Zimmerman initiated the incident

I can walk behind you and you still have no right to hit me. Sorry.

The pictures of the killer show a slight scratch on the nose, maybe a couple tiny wounds on the head. The rest of the "blame the victim" line is fabricated.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Dude. This is nonsense. It shouldn't even be manslaughter let alone murder. Zimmerman's life was in danger. He was pinned, getting beaten, getting his freaking head against the pavement. If I had a gun, I would have used it to. A man has a right to protect himself against permanent bodily harm.

Witness Told Cops He Saw Trayvon Martin Straddling George Zimmerman And Punching Him "MMA Style" | The Smoking Gun

i suppose that's true if you leave out the whole zimmerman hunting unarmed black kids part of the story.

and we need another cheering thread for a killer because?

There are many killer supporters on this board, kind of scary. No evidence the victim even KNEW how to fight, lots of evidence the killer was violent. TWO CRIMINAL charges involving violence, one while drinking.

No evidence the victim even KNEW how to fight

Zimmermann's wounds seem to be evidence.....