Traditionalist on Campus

[Dr.Drock]

Why would you try to pretend that the one sample seminar is the entire picture...no pun intended?

I think you realize the bigger question...this attempt to retrieve some standing, without actually admitting that traditional standards are better for society, is transparent.

It's proven by your lack of interest in answer the question I asked earlier.


While not totally germane to this discussion, it is interesting that standards of scholarship on campus have fallen in tandem with the drop in personal standards.
That makes this an even more important discussion.


Or...are you going to argue that scholarship on campus is also 'voluntary'?

Yes i see the bigger question, why do you have a problem with people voluntarily looking at porn? Would you rather we have a gov't regulated internet similar to Iran or China?

If attending the college weren't voluntarily, and then joining the individual group started by student voluntary, I'd see your point. But since none of this is being forced, and college age adults who don't want to look at porn don't have to, you have no point.

You just don't like that not everyone shares your sense of morality. This thread for example, a small group at Yale has you "disappointed" with society's morals.

All this over a little porno on campus, that any college kid could look at 24/7 if this group never existed anyways. Sheesh.

In the words of the famed Brown Bomber..."you can run, but you can't hide."

You know that this is hardly about "voluntarily looking at porn."

It is about the tacit approval of the secularists who run the colleges and universities, the liberals, who would like nothing better than to undermine the standards of Western Civilization.

Now, c'mon...get off your knees, and stand up for the Left!
As a product of such an education, you haven't learned about the French Revolution, the Frankfurt School, or the uprisings of the 60's...
That's why your views are limited, and one-dimensional.


"Perhaps the best snap-shot of pop culture is to be found in the following bit about the music industry, has “somehow reduced humanity’s greatest achievement- a near universal language of pure transcendence - into a knuckle-dragging sub-pidgin of grunts and snarls, capable of fully expressing only the more pointless forms of violence and the more brutal forms of sex.”
Michael Bywater, “Never mind the width, feel the lack of quality,” The Spectator, May 13, 1995, p. 44.

The tacit approval of the college to let students set up volunteer organizations. The same freedom the christian groups have, and I'm sure you support the freedom in that area, but don't in the sex-ed area.

Those things had nothing to do with voluntarily looking at porn on campus, which again anyone with a computer can look at porn voluntarily. So I dunno why you pick this out and take issue with it.

My views are limited and one dimensional and you're on here saying students having the opportunity to voluntarily look at porn is evidence of a society in demise, lol adorable.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Yes i see the bigger question, why do you have a problem with people voluntarily looking at porn? Would you rather we have a gov't regulated internet similar to Iran or China?

If attending the college weren't voluntarily, and then joining the individual group started by student voluntary, I'd see your point. But since none of this is being forced, and college age adults who don't want to look at porn don't have to, you have no point.

You just don't like that not everyone shares your sense of morality. This thread for example, a small group at Yale has you "disappointed" with society's morals.

All this over a little porno on campus, that any college kid could look at 24/7 if this group never existed anyways. Sheesh.

In the words of the famed Brown Bomber..."you can run, but you can't hide."

You know that this is hardly about "voluntarily looking at porn."

It is about the tacit approval of the secularists who run the colleges and universities, the liberals, who would like nothing better than to undermine the standards of Western Civilization.

Now, c'mon...get off your knees, and stand up for the Left!
As a product of such an education, you haven't learned about the French Revolution, the Frankfurt School, or the uprisings of the 60's...
That's why your views are limited, and one-dimensional.


"Perhaps the best snap-shot of pop culture is to be found in the following bit about the music industry, has “somehow reduced humanity’s greatest achievement- a near universal language of pure transcendence - into a knuckle-dragging sub-pidgin of grunts and snarls, capable of fully expressing only the more pointless forms of violence and the more brutal forms of sex.”
Michael Bywater, “Never mind the width, feel the lack of quality,” The Spectator, May 13, 1995, p. 44.

The tacit approval of the college to let students set up volunteer organizations. The same freedom the christian groups have, and I'm sure you support the freedom in that area, but don't in the sex-ed area.

Those things had nothing to do with voluntarily looking at porn on campus, which again anyone with a computer can look at porn voluntarily. So I dunno why you pick this out and take issue with it.

My views are limited and one dimensional and you're on here saying students having the opportunity to voluntarily look at porn is evidence of a society in demise, lol adorable.

"So I dunno why you pick this out and take issue with it."
It seems that you have a fascination with porn that I do not share, but your attempt to use porn to shield you from the essential questions of this discussion is diaphanous.

The only question is why you care to continue the discussion when I merely direct you back on track...i.e., the attempts of the Left to deal a death-blow to morality and standards, as exhibited by such things as a campus sex week.

And, if I may expand this just a bit,...

1. And the source of the debased culture? Keeping pace with the progress of liberalism, popular culture emphasizes and abets the unconstrained self, and facilitates narcissism and nihilism. The modern liberal and his acolyte is absorbed with sensations, and, believing in no or few moral or religious principles, celebrates the moment.
"Slouching Toward Gomorrah," Bork, chapter seven

a. “The extrovert, the hedonist, the madman, the criminal, the suicide, or the exhibitionist can rise to heroic stature in [the culture] for the same reason that Byron or Raskolnikov became Romantic heroes- profligacy and murder are expressions of an emotional intensity that defies the limits imposed by nature and society.” Robert Pattison, “The Triumph of Vulgarity: Rock Music in the Mirror of Romanticism,” p. 122-3

2. Television brings the culture into the home, and its influence is, broadly, in sinc with the view and politics of the populist left. It “warns against the dangers of imosing the majority’s restrictive sexual morality on [adultery, prostitution, pornography, etc]. The villains in TV’s moralist plays are not the deviants and libertines, but Puritans and prudes.” Lichter, Lichter, and Rothman, “Prime Time: How TV Portrays American Culture,” pp. 404-405, 416

So...are you capable of considering the bigger question, one of society, or still fearful of losing your pornography?

 

[Gadawg73]

Why would you try to pretend that the one sample seminar is the entire picture...no pun intended?

I think you realize the bigger question...this attempt to retrieve some standing, without actually admitting that traditional standards are better for society, is transparent.

It's proven by your lack of interest in answer the question I asked earlier.


While not totally germane to this discussion, it is interesting that standards of scholarship on campus have fallen in tandem with the drop in personal standards.
That makes this an even more important discussion.


Or...are you going to argue that scholarship on campus is also 'voluntary'?

Yes i see the bigger question, why do you have a problem with people voluntarily looking at porn? Would you rather we have a gov't regulated internet similar to Iran or China?

If attending the college weren't voluntarily, and then joining the individual group started by student voluntary, I'd see your point. But since none of this is being forced, and college age adults who don't want to look at porn don't have to, you have no point.

You just don't like that not everyone shares your sense of morality. This thread for example, a small group at Yale has you "disappointed" with society's morals.

All this over a little porno on campus, that any college kid could look at 24/7 if this group never existed anyways. Sheesh.

In the words of the famed Brown Bomber..."you can run, but you can't hide."

You know that this is hardly about "voluntarily looking at porn."

It is about the tacit approval of the secularists who run the colleges and universities, the liberals, who would like nothing better than to undermine the standards of Western Civilization.

Now, c'mon...get off your knees, and stand up for the Left!
As a product of such an education, you haven't learned about the French Revolution, the Frankfurt School, or the uprisings of the 60's...
That's why your views are limited, and one-dimensional.


"Perhaps the best snap-shot of pop culture is to be found in the following bit about the music industry, has “somehow reduced humanity’s greatest achievement- a near universal language of pure transcendence - into a knuckle-dragging sub-pidgin of grunts and snarls, capable of fully expressing only the more pointless forms of violence and the more brutal forms of sex.”
Michael Bywater, “Never mind the width, feel the lack of quality,” The Spectator, May 13, 1995, p. 44.

"the secularists who run the colleges and universities, the liberals, who would like nothing better than to undermine the standards of western civilization"

We have a Board of Regents here and I am sure you also do in the state you live in.
Once again you are totally out in left field if you are claiming that The Georgia Board of Regents and the Presidents of the colleges and universities in Georgia, or in any other state except maybe California, are plotting to "undermine the standards of western civilization".
Sure, the colleges and universities have many flaming socialist liberal know nothings but they do not run a damn thing here and in most states.

As I have stated before Chickie Poo, you are an intelligent girl but you are about as gullible and naive as they come with that one.
I have graduated 2 in the last 3 years from the university and have another there now.
When you grow up a little and have some children get back to us.
I have full confidence that yours will be positively influenced by YOU, THE PARENT, and your positive influences on your children will have 100 times more the effect than those liberals in every closet you worry about.
They will be just as smart and intelligent as you and if you allow them to objectively see the entire world without preconceived notions they will exceed your wildest imaginations.

 

[Gadawg73]

In the late 60s I was in Boy Scouts and we went to Nashville for a Jamboree. Went into a museum there on a day trip and one of the men got upset with the "porno nekkid statues". He took his kid and left with a number of other men with their boys.
That same group of men organized a trip to the theatre that night.
Double feature: Texas Chain Saw Massacre and The Birds.
Nudity, porno is not okay but blood and gore guts and all is just fine.
Most right wing "conservative" folk are about as looney tune as it can get.

 

[Dr.Drock]

In the words of the famed Brown Bomber..."you can run, but you can't hide."

You know that this is hardly about "voluntarily looking at porn."

It is about the tacit approval of the secularists who run the colleges and universities, the liberals, who would like nothing better than to undermine the standards of Western Civilization.

Now, c'mon...get off your knees, and stand up for the Left!
As a product of such an education, you haven't learned about the French Revolution, the Frankfurt School, or the uprisings of the 60's...
That's why your views are limited, and one-dimensional.


"Perhaps the best snap-shot of pop culture is to be found in the following bit about the music industry, has “somehow reduced humanity’s greatest achievement- a near universal language of pure transcendence - into a knuckle-dragging sub-pidgin of grunts and snarls, capable of fully expressing only the more pointless forms of violence and the more brutal forms of sex.”
Michael Bywater, “Never mind the width, feel the lack of quality,” The Spectator, May 13, 1995, p. 44.

The tacit approval of the college to let students set up volunteer organizations. The same freedom the christian groups have, and I'm sure you support the freedom in that area, but don't in the sex-ed area.

Those things had nothing to do with voluntarily looking at porn on campus, which again anyone with a computer can look at porn voluntarily. So I dunno why you pick this out and take issue with it.

My views are limited and one dimensional and you're on here saying students having the opportunity to voluntarily look at porn is evidence of a society in demise, lol adorable.

"So I dunno why you pick this out and take issue with it."
It seems that you have a fascination with porn that I do not share, but your attempt to use porn to shield you from the essential questions of this discussion is diaphanous.

The only question is why you care to continue the discussion when I merely direct you back on track...i.e., the attempts of the Left to deal a death-blow to morality and standards, as exhibited by such things as a campus sex week.

And, if I may expand this just a bit,...

1. And the source of the debased culture? Keeping pace with the progress of liberalism, popular culture emphasizes and abets the unconstrained self, and facilitates narcissism and nihilism. The modern liberal and his acolyte is absorbed with sensations, and, believing in no or few moral or religious principles, celebrates the moment.
"Slouching Toward Gomorrah," Bork, chapter seven

a. “The extrovert, the hedonist, the madman, the criminal, the suicide, or the exhibitionist can rise to heroic stature in [the culture] for the same reason that Byron or Raskolnikov became Romantic heroes- profligacy and murder are expressions of an emotional intensity that defies the limits imposed by nature and society.” Robert Pattison, “The Triumph of Vulgarity: Rock Music in the Mirror of Romanticism,” p. 122-3

2. Television brings the culture into the home, and its influence is, broadly, in sinc with the view and politics of the populist left. It “warns against the dangers of imosing the majority’s restrictive sexual morality on [adultery, prostitution, pornography, etc]. The villains in TV’s moralist plays are not the deviants and libertines, but Puritans and prudes.” Lichter, Lichter, and Rothman, “Prime Time: How TV Portrays American Culture,” pp. 404-405, 416

So...are you capable of considering the bigger question, one of society, or still fearful of losing your pornography?

You're the one who initially pointed out pornography, not me. I have no fascination with porn. I'm simply pointing out that you have a big problem with students voluntarily looking at it through a voluntary group started by students, not university officials.

You don't know the politicial leanings of the students who started the group, so i have no idea how you can attribute this to "the left." I also don't see anything about this group that is immoral, and again if it is immoral, the students have a choice as to whether or not they want to participate.

 

[PoliticalChic]

O'Sullivan's First Law (a.k.a. O'Sullivan's Law), paraphrased by George Will as stating that:
Any institution that is not libertarian and classically liberal will, over time, become collectivist and statist.

a. Classically liberal, of course, is what is called conservative or traditionalist today.
b. Collectivist and statist means progressive, or modern liberal or socialist or Leftist.

Therefore, the 'sex week folks' would be 'b' above, while the Undergraduates for a Better Yale College' folks would be 'a' above.

O'Sullivan's First Law applies.

 

[Dr.Drock]

O'Sullivan's First Law (a.k.a. O'Sullivan's Law), paraphrased by George Will as stating that:
Any institution that is not libertarian and classically liberal will, over time, become collectivist and statist.

a. Classically liberal, of course, is what is called conservative or traditionalist today.
b. Collectivist and statist means progressive, or modern liberal or socialist or Leftist.

Therefore, the 'sex week folks' would be 'b' above, while the Undergraduates for a Better Yale College' folks would be 'a' above.

O'Sullivan's First Law applies.

stat·ism (st t z m). n. The practice or doctrine of giving a centralized government control over economic planning and policy.



How is a voluntary group by students, at a school students attend voluntarily, an example of being statist?

 

[PoliticalChic]

O'Sullivan's First Law (a.k.a. O'Sullivan's Law), paraphrased by George Will as stating that:
Any institution that is not libertarian and classically liberal will, over time, become collectivist and statist.

a. Classically liberal, of course, is what is called conservative or traditionalist today.
b. Collectivist and statist means progressive, or modern liberal or socialist or Leftist.

Therefore, the 'sex week folks' would be 'b' above, while the Undergraduates for a Better Yale College' folks would be 'a' above.

O'Sullivan's First Law applies.

stat·ism (st t z m). n. The practice or doctrine of giving a centralized government control over economic planning and policy.



How is a voluntary group by students, at a school students attend voluntarily, an example of being statist?

Really glad you asked!

The point that I would like to propound is that the college episode is but one aspect of a much larger problem.
The 'progressive, or modern liberal or socialist or Leftist' perspective is based on the view that the state is more important than the individual. The way it is victorious can be seen in the works of the Marxist and neo-Marxists...


1. In 1923 Georg Lukacs helped establish a Marxist research center at the University of Frankfurt under the sponsorship of Felix Weil. Like Marx’s benefactor, Friedrich Engels, Weil was the son of a wealthy capitalist and an ardent Marxist who had earned a Ph.D. in political science from Frankfurt University. These rich slackers used family money to fund the Institute for Social Research, best known as the institutional home of the Frankfurt School and critical theory.
http://www.lust-for-life.org/Lust-F...turalMarxismAndPoliticalCorrectness-part2.pdf

a. …the Institute attracted gifted scholars not only in economics but also in philosophy, history, psychology, sociology… convinced that the major impediment to the spread of Marxism was Western culture. In particular, they despised traditional Judeo/Christian ethics and morality, which they believed prevented the widespread acceptance of Marxism.

b. The Frankfurt School propagated a revisionistic Neo-Marxist interpretation of Western culture called Critical Theory, an aggressive promotion of a radical left-wing socio/political agenda. In essence, Critical Theory was a comprehensive and unrelenting assault on the values and institutions of Western civilization. Based on utopian social and political ideals, Critical Theory offered no realistic alternatives, but it was nonetheless a devastating critique of the history, philosophy, politics, social and economic structures, major institutions, and religious foundations of Western civilization.

2. It is my contention that the 'sex week phenomenon,' as well as the other indicia found in this thread, represent one more on traditional Judeo/Christian ethics and morality.

a. Don't think for a minute that the attempt to remove restrictions on immorality is anything less than one more aspect of this culture war. You are free to behave in any legal manner, including your infatuation with pornography.
My objective is simply to inform, to allow one to see what is actually going on, and why.

 

[Dr.Drock]

O'Sullivan's First Law (a.k.a. O'Sullivan's Law), paraphrased by George Will as stating that:
Any institution that is not libertarian and classically liberal will, over time, become collectivist and statist.

a. Classically liberal, of course, is what is called conservative or traditionalist today.
b. Collectivist and statist means progressive, or modern liberal or socialist or Leftist.

Therefore, the 'sex week folks' would be 'b' above, while the Undergraduates for a Better Yale College' folks would be 'a' above.

O'Sullivan's First Law applies.

stat·ism (st t z m). n. The practice or doctrine of giving a centralized government control over economic planning and policy.



How is a voluntary group by students, at a school students attend voluntarily, an example of being statist?

Really glad you asked!

The point that I would like to propound is that the college episode is but one aspect of a much larger problem.
The 'progressive, or modern liberal or socialist or Leftist' perspective is based on the view that the state is more important than the individual. The way it is victorious can be seen in the works of the Marxist and neo-Marxists...


1. In 1923 Georg Lukacs helped establish a Marxist research center at the University of Frankfurt under the sponsorship of Felix Weil. Like Marx’s benefactor, Friedrich Engels, Weil was the son of a wealthy capitalist and an ardent Marxist who had earned a Ph.D. in political science from Frankfurt University. These rich slackers used family money to fund the Institute for Social Research, best known as the institutional home of the Frankfurt School and critical theory.
http://www.lust-for-life.org/Lust-F...turalMarxismAndPoliticalCorrectness-part2.pdf

a. …the Institute attracted gifted scholars not only in economics but also in philosophy, history, psychology, sociology… convinced that the major impediment to the spread of Marxism was Western culture. In particular, they despised traditional Judeo/Christian ethics and morality, which they believed prevented the widespread acceptance of Marxism.

b. The Frankfurt School propagated a revisionistic Neo-Marxist interpretation of Western culture called Critical Theory, an aggressive promotion of a radical left-wing socio/political agenda. In essence, Critical Theory was a comprehensive and unrelenting assault on the values and institutions of Western civilization. Based on utopian social and political ideals, Critical Theory offered no realistic alternatives, but it was nonetheless a devastating critique of the history, philosophy, politics, social and economic structures, major institutions, and religious foundations of Western civilization.

2. It is my contention that the 'sex week phenomenon,' as well as the other indicia found in this thread, represent one more on traditional Judeo/Christian ethics and morality.

a. Don't think for a minute that the attempt to remove restrictions on immorality is anything less than one more aspect of this culture war. You are free to behave in any legal manner, including your infatuation with pornography.
My objective is simply to inform, to allow one to see what is actually going on, and why.

That answered nothing as to why a VOLUNTARY group by students NOT gov't employees at a school students attend voluntarily is an example of statism.

And once again, you're the one who brought up pornography, not me. I was discussing the topic just fine without it, then YOU brought up pornography. I have no opinion on college age adults looking at porn. Great if they do, great if they don't, couldn't care less.

 

[PoliticalChic]

stat·ism (st t z m). n. The practice or doctrine of giving a centralized government control over economic planning and policy.



How is a voluntary group by students, at a school students attend voluntarily, an example of being statist?

Really glad you asked!

The point that I would like to propound is that the college episode is but one aspect of a much larger problem.
The 'progressive, or modern liberal or socialist or Leftist' perspective is based on the view that the state is more important than the individual. The way it is victorious can be seen in the works of the Marxist and neo-Marxists...


1. In 1923 Georg Lukacs helped establish a Marxist research center at the University of Frankfurt under the sponsorship of Felix Weil. Like Marx’s benefactor, Friedrich Engels, Weil was the son of a wealthy capitalist and an ardent Marxist who had earned a Ph.D. in political science from Frankfurt University. These rich slackers used family money to fund the Institute for Social Research, best known as the institutional home of the Frankfurt School and critical theory.
http://www.lust-for-life.org/Lust-F...turalMarxismAndPoliticalCorrectness-part2.pdf

a. …the Institute attracted gifted scholars not only in economics but also in philosophy, history, psychology, sociology… convinced that the major impediment to the spread of Marxism was Western culture. In particular, they despised traditional Judeo/Christian ethics and morality, which they believed prevented the widespread acceptance of Marxism.

b. The Frankfurt School propagated a revisionistic Neo-Marxist interpretation of Western culture called Critical Theory, an aggressive promotion of a radical left-wing socio/political agenda. In essence, Critical Theory was a comprehensive and unrelenting assault on the values and institutions of Western civilization. Based on utopian social and political ideals, Critical Theory offered no realistic alternatives, but it was nonetheless a devastating critique of the history, philosophy, politics, social and economic structures, major institutions, and religious foundations of Western civilization.

2. It is my contention that the 'sex week phenomenon,' as well as the other indicia found in this thread, represent one more on traditional Judeo/Christian ethics and morality.

a. Don't think for a minute that the attempt to remove restrictions on immorality is anything less than one more aspect of this culture war. You are free to behave in any legal manner, including your infatuation with pornography.
My objective is simply to inform, to allow one to see what is actually going on, and why.

That answered nothing as to why a VOLUNTARY group by students NOT gov't employees at a school students attend voluntarily is an example of statism.

And once again, you're the one who brought up pornography, not me. I was discussing the topic just fine without it, then YOU brought up pornography. I have no opinion on college age adults looking at porn. Great if they do, great if they don't, couldn't care less.

1. "you're the one who brought up pornography,"
You used pornography as your example in at least three posts.

2. "...a VOLUNTARY group..."
It is not a question of one group... as in "a VOLUNTARY group" ...
It is about a social milieu, the college campus, which encourages casual relationships.
I suggest that this is not accidental, and this is why the OP is news: a group is offering seminars, of course voluntary, in response.

3. While you have provided a definition of statism, you are blissfully unaware of the provenance of same...
This, even though I have provided material which indicates that it is based on a totalitarian worldview.

4. If you could be convinced that those endorsing the lowering of standards were doing so with the aim of strengthening the support of totalism, would you still use 'voluntary' as the determining factor in any endeavor?

a. “If we were ever faced with a choice between individualism and the kind of coddling mama-state… we would draw a line and fight for our freedoms,…” Of course, that presupposes that we would all recognize the position, see the loss and what it represents.
Ledeen, “Tocqueville on American Character,” p.179-180.

"... that presupposes that we would all recognize the position..."

As of this moment, you fail to see the statism behind the attempts to weaken morality.

 

[Dr.Drock]

Really glad you asked!

The point that I would like to propound is that the college episode is but one aspect of a much larger problem.
The 'progressive, or modern liberal or socialist or Leftist' perspective is based on the view that the state is more important than the individual. The way it is victorious can be seen in the works of the Marxist and neo-Marxists...


1. In 1923 Georg Lukacs helped establish a Marxist research center at the University of Frankfurt under the sponsorship of Felix Weil. Like Marx’s benefactor, Friedrich Engels, Weil was the son of a wealthy capitalist and an ardent Marxist who had earned a Ph.D. in political science from Frankfurt University. These rich slackers used family money to fund the Institute for Social Research, best known as the institutional home of the Frankfurt School and critical theory.
http://www.lust-for-life.org/Lust-F...turalMarxismAndPoliticalCorrectness-part2.pdf

a. …the Institute attracted gifted scholars not only in economics but also in philosophy, history, psychology, sociology… convinced that the major impediment to the spread of Marxism was Western culture. In particular, they despised traditional Judeo/Christian ethics and morality, which they believed prevented the widespread acceptance of Marxism.

b. The Frankfurt School propagated a revisionistic Neo-Marxist interpretation of Western culture called Critical Theory, an aggressive promotion of a radical left-wing socio/political agenda. In essence, Critical Theory was a comprehensive and unrelenting assault on the values and institutions of Western civilization. Based on utopian social and political ideals, Critical Theory offered no realistic alternatives, but it was nonetheless a devastating critique of the history, philosophy, politics, social and economic structures, major institutions, and religious foundations of Western civilization.

2. It is my contention that the 'sex week phenomenon,' as well as the other indicia found in this thread, represent one more on traditional Judeo/Christian ethics and morality.

a. Don't think for a minute that the attempt to remove restrictions on immorality is anything less than one more aspect of this culture war. You are free to behave in any legal manner, including your infatuation with pornography.
My objective is simply to inform, to allow one to see what is actually going on, and why.

That answered nothing as to why a VOLUNTARY group by students NOT gov't employees at a school students attend voluntarily is an example of statism.

And once again, you're the one who brought up pornography, not me. I was discussing the topic just fine without it, then YOU brought up pornography. I have no opinion on college age adults looking at porn. Great if they do, great if they don't, couldn't care less.

1. "you're the one who brought up pornography,"
You used pornography as your example in at least three posts.

2. "...a VOLUNTARY group..."
It is not a question of one group... as in "a VOLUNTARY group" ...
It is about a social milieu, the college campus, which encourages casual relationships.
I suggest that this is not accidental, and this is why the OP is news: a group is offering seminars, of course voluntary, in response.

3. While you have provided a definition of statism, you are blissfully unaware of the provenance of same...
This, even though I have provided material which indicates that it is based on a totalitarian worldview.

4. If you could be convinced that those endorsing the lowering of standards were doing so with the aim of strengthening the support of totalism, would you still use 'voluntary' as the determining factor in any endeavor?

a. “If we were ever faced with a choice between individualism and the kind of coddling mama-state… we would draw a line and fight for our freedoms,…” Of course, that presupposes that we would all recognize the position, see the loss and what it represents.
Ledeen, “Tocqueville on American Character,” p.179-180.

"... that presupposes that we would all recognize the position..."

As of this moment, you fail to see the statism behind the attempts to weaken morality.

1.) Yes, after you brought it into the discussion.

2.) It's doing the opposite of encouraging casual relationships (the article directly states this), and if the student opposes what the group is saying they don't have to go. That's why i keep stressing the word voluntary.

3.) A voluntary group at one voluntary school is the exact opposite of totalitarian view. A totalitarian view would be a gov't demanding every school have this, and demanding every student attend. Again, the opposite is taking place.

4.) I don't think they're endorsing the lowering of standards, I see it as the opposite. A voluntary option to become educated on a subject.



Yes I fail to see the statism of a voluntary group led by students at a voluntary university, on that we agree.

 

[PoliticalChic]

That answered nothing as to why a VOLUNTARY group by students NOT gov't employees at a school students attend voluntarily is an example of statism.

And once again, you're the one who brought up pornography, not me. I was discussing the topic just fine without it, then YOU brought up pornography. I have no opinion on college age adults looking at porn. Great if they do, great if they don't, couldn't care less.

1. "you're the one who brought up pornography,"
You used pornography as your example in at least three posts.

2. "...a VOLUNTARY group..."
It is not a question of one group... as in "a VOLUNTARY group" ...
It is about a social milieu, the college campus, which encourages casual relationships.
I suggest that this is not accidental, and this is why the OP is news: a group is offering seminars, of course voluntary, in response.

3. While you have provided a definition of statism, you are blissfully unaware of the provenance of same...
This, even though I have provided material which indicates that it is based on a totalitarian worldview.

4. If you could be convinced that those endorsing the lowering of standards were doing so with the aim of strengthening the support of totalism, would you still use 'voluntary' as the determining factor in any endeavor?

a. “If we were ever faced with a choice between individualism and the kind of coddling mama-state… we would draw a line and fight for our freedoms,…” Of course, that presupposes that we would all recognize the position, see the loss and what it represents.
Ledeen, “Tocqueville on American Character,” p.179-180.

"... that presupposes that we would all recognize the position..."

As of this moment, you fail to see the statism behind the attempts to weaken morality.

1.) Yes, after you brought it into the discussion.

2.) It's doing the opposite of encouraging casual relationships (the article directly states this), and if the student opposes what the group is saying they don't have to go. That's why i keep stressing the word voluntary.

3.) A voluntary group at one voluntary school is the exact opposite of totalitarian view. A totalitarian view would be a gov't demanding every school have this, and demanding every student attend. Again, the opposite is taking place.

4.) I don't think they're endorsing the lowering of standards, I see it as the opposite. A voluntary option to become educated on a subject.



Yes I fail to see the statism of a voluntary group led by students at a voluntary university, on that we agree.

There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio,
Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.

 

[PoliticalChic]

The secular philosophy is geared toward the removal of the restrictions of religion and morality, to explain the human condition as essentially the same as any other animal species...just more physically 'evolved.'

Sans the restrictions of space, I would tie same to the assault on religion beginning with the French Revolution, and the Enlightenment...but for a specific focus, consider the 'shock troops' boot camps of secularism, the college campuses.

In many ways the colleges encourage the breakdown of traditional norms through unisex dorms, rooms, bathrooms, courses, and 'celebrations' of the hook-up lifestyle....
...the pretense is that the impetus is "Sexual Health on College Campuses" (Sexual Health on College Campuses)

...there has emerged, a bit of push-back:

1."Sex Week on the Yale campus returns and will have competition this year

2. Sex Week has returned to the Yale campus.
The week is billed as a way to promote sexual health though a series of events and workshops.

3. There will also be sessions about pornography.

4. This year, Sex Week has competition.

5. Students with Undergraduates for a Better Yale College have started True Love Week, where they will host educational seminars.

6. They say it will focus less on casual sex and more on relationships.

"We came up with the idea this summer when we realized the sheer silence there was on campus from the general hook-up culture," Eduardo Andino said.

7. True Love Week kicks off on Sunday."
Sex Week Sparks Debate | NBC Connecticut

"Some Harvard Students Speak Out Against the School's 'Sex Week'

Events headlining the controversial week included “Bloody Good! An Intro to Period Sex,” “Hit Me Baby One More Time: BDSM in the Dorm Room”, “Sexual Fetishes A-Z,” and “One is Not Enough: Open Relationships, Non-Monogamy, & Polyamory.” Sponsors of the various talks included retailers of sex toys, condoms, and lubricants.

But not all students at Harvard were on-board with the week’s activities and overriding message.


...Harvard’s Anscombe Society, which describes itself as “a student organization at Harvard College that strives to present another option to our peers regarding sex-related issues, endorsing premarital abstinence and sexual integrity, and upholding the institution of marriage and the family.”
The two students further claim that SHEATH has reduced sex to “a purely physical act whose primary function is to produce pleasure and satisfy passions,” and that the group avoids addressing the emotional and spiritual aspects that naturally accompany the experience."
Some Harvard Students Speak Out Against the School's 'Sex Week'